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#14 by murtam on March 5, 2003 9:12am PT

[OK that is fine. Then the argument should be that we want to isolate Pakistan and will not play them in what is profitable for Pakistan otherwise it is not a principled stand against cross border terrorism. I think the holier than thou attitude is what irks people.]

How about putting forward the same argument to your politicians and generals who, for 55 years have been parroting the same lie: that they only provide ``moral, political and diplomatic`` support to the ``indigenous`` Kashmir cause, when the fact is that they`re arming terrorists, most of whom are Paki mercenaries, to their teeth?

[How does it make it any easier when Pakistani hockey players and footballers are hosted? I mean they are still from the same Pakistan that ``trains jehadis against you]

Simple arithmetics pal. Even if revenue brought in by all of the other sports were put together, it wouldn`t be half of what a Cricket match between the two rivals would bring. What better way than to starve an already struggling PCB?

[My point is why make it seem as if it is some principled stand. Cause clearly it is to make PCB lose money. And Pakistanis are accused of having India-centric policies]

You wouldn`t believe it Mofeez bhai, but this policy has the overwhelming support of the average Indian. For too long India has allowed itself to be the victim of your generals` fancy military strategies. We have paid a heavy price in terms of men and money. Its payback time now.

Reply to #17 by harish_hyd

[Simple arithmetics pal. Even if revenue brought in by all of the other sports were put together, it wouldn`t be half of what a Cricket match between the two rivals would bring. What better way than to starve an already struggling PCB? ]

You know what, you are right. India should not play Pakistan. I still maintain Pakistan, if given the chance, should go play in India. BTW this story appeared today...doesn`t this throw a wrench in your motor?

Indian board asks government to resume Pakistan matches
Reuters - 7 March 2003


NEW DELHI, March 7 (Reuters) - The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has asked the Indian government to allow resumption of matches with Pakistan to prevent their team being isolated from world cricket.

India are scheduled to tour Pakistan next month in line with the International Cricket Council`s (ICC) 10-year programme but the series is unlikely to go ahead because of tension between the neighbours over the disputed region of Kashmir.

``Each country is supposed to play four series against each other in a 10-year period (two at home and two abroad),`` Jagmohan Dalmiya, president of Indian cricket board wrote in a letter to Indian sports minister Vikram Verma earlier this week.

``If India does not play against Pakistan, the equilibrium of world cricket will be severely affected because the world Test championship cannot be decided. India may be totally isolated in the world cricket scenario,`` he added.

The Indian government banned all bilateral matches between the sides in 2000 but has not been opposed to the teams playing in multi-team events at neutral venues.

Pakistan have said they are willing to host India. The ICC`s executive board is expected to discuss the issue in their meeting on March 21 in Johannesburg.

India and Pakistan played against each other for the first time in almost three years at the World Cup in South Africa last week, when India won by six wickets.

The two countries have fought three wars against each other since independence from Britain in 1947.

© Reuters

[You wouldn`t believe it Mofeez bhai, but this policy has the overwhelming support of the average Indian. For too long India has allowed itself to be the victim of your generals` fancy military strategies. We have paid a heavy price in terms of men and money. Its payback time now. ]

OK...I guess that is one way of doing it. If 160 million muslims in India are for this particular strategy then you are right India should do this.

Reply to #16 by ssdhillon

[Pakistan`s policies. As for ``holier than thou`` I am sorry but it is easy to get this attitude against a country which is now the headquarters of terrorism. It is no surprise that the top Al-Qaida leadership is all in pakistan. Hell....now you guys are arresting your own army people for siding with Khalid Sheikh Mohammad. Point out a terror incident and you will see paki connections.]

Do you really believe that? I am really surprised. The fact that Pakistan is catching all these terrorists is being held against us? Ofcourse if there are bad apples in our ranks, we should clean them up. There are terror incidents in this world that have no Pakistani connection. You realize that right? Maybe Gujarat will ring a bell or Isreal/Palestine or Rwanda or Serbia...

[Bottomline....I am not denying that finance is probably the biggest reason we do not play Pakistan but it is part of the bigger picture. How can our cricket board be sure that (a part of ) the money earned by the paki board is not going to fund jehadis or even Al-qaida. From what I hear mosques, grocery stores all collect money for Jehad. On the same ]

Ok you know what, I am going to stop now and rest my case. You obviously know nothing about Pakistan and have never been there. The Pakistan Cricket Board money going to Al-Qaida!! Hahahahahaha...that is the funniest thing I have ever heard. Buddy our leaders never let a dime go to our poor & needy, why would they let the money they can use to make their mansions go to Al-Qaida.

#18 by murtam on March 7, 2003 4:07pm PT
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Do you really believe that? I am really surprised. The fact that Pakistan is catching all these terrorists is being held against us? Ofcourse if there are bad apples in our ranks, we should clean them up. There are terror incidents in this world that have no Pakistani connection. You realize that right? Maybe Gujarat will ring a bell or Isreal/Palestine or Rwanda or Serbia...
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Pakistan arresting all these terrorists........Like you guys have a choice. Mushy was told very bluntly right after Sep 11 that he was either ``with or aginast`` the US. I can`t beleive you guys want credit for aresting the terrorists you helped the Taliban to create in the first place.``Bad apples``.......who are you kidding......these guys had the full backing of the government....remember Sheikh Omar........He was very much in favour with the government till he killed an american. You must be glad that there are terror incidents without Paki connections!!!!

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obviously know nothing about Pakistan and have never been there. The Pakistan Cricket Board money going to Al-Qaida!! Hahahahahaha...that is the funniest thing I have ever heard. Buddy our leaders never let a dime go to our poor & needy, why would they let the money they can use to make their mansions go to Al-Qaida.
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The weapons that jehadis in Kashmir use must drop from the sky. Are you denying that money is collected openly in pakistan for jehad in kashmir. Get a reality check....Muridke is the HQ of the Lashkar-e-Toiba....like it is some corporation. How can we overlook the fact that a part of the money earned by the Paki board will not be used aginst us.
Here in the US the administration is watching the ``Islamic Charities`` very closely. In fact one has already pleaded guilty to helping Chechen rebels.

Reply to #19 by ssdhillon

[Pakistan arresting all these terrorists........Like you guys have a choice. Mushy was told very bluntly right after Sep 11 that he was either ``with or aginast`` the US. I can`t beleive you guys want credit for aresting the ]

Ofcourse Pakistan had a choice. Musharraf did not want to make that choice but it was there. US is putting pressure on everyone. It is putting pressure on India to reduce tension too. It does not mean everyone is going with US.

[terrorists you helped the Taliban to create in the first place.``Bad apples``.......who are you kidding......these guys had the full backing of the government....remember Sheikh Omar........He was very much in ]

But then the argument is that the CIA created the Taliban with Pakistan`s help to fight Russia.

[The weapons that jehadis in Kashmir use must drop from the sky. Are you denying that money is collected openly in pakistan for jehad in kashmir. Get a reality check....Muridke is the HQ of the Lashkar-e-]

Oh not at all. Kashmiris are fighting a just struggle for independence. Pakistan should back them 100%. Everyone in Pak believes that. SInce Iwas a kid, I have seldom seen someone just stand there ask for money for JEHAD in Kashmir. We have helped with donations to Eidhi welfare trust or for food or clothes. The Kashmiri freedom fighters have weapons that are made in US, Russia & China so am sure they are getting support from a lot of different places.

[Here in the US the administration is watching the ``Islamic Charities`` very closely. In fact one has already pleaded guilty to helping Chechen rebels. ]

Look I do not agree that any of PCB`s money is going to any terrorist. The situation in the US you should be fully aware of. They will overreact to make sure they get everyone they want. I also feel that the Chechen`s have a right to fight for their independence if they feel they want to be independent.

Anyway back to cricket. My new article should appear soon. Thanks for reading and spending time on commenting. Appreciate it.

PCB`s money goes to Jehadies in Kashimir, its the stupidest thing that I have heared in long long time. PCB is an organization that goes through annual audits and moreover they need to spend a lots of money on keeping the players organizing tournaments, a plethora of stadia in the country. How can they afford sending a big chunk of money to Jehadies.

Yes people do collect money to support Kashmir sepratist movement, but I hope you realize that PCB is a bit different than a street-cornor grocery store. You are right one cant be sure if the money collected by PCB in the games against India goes to Jehadies but at least you can be sure that the money earned by Cricket boards is controlled by ICC too. How can you be sure that the money you spend on buying a cricket bat from the famous canought place in new dehli does not end up supporting Kashmnir Jehadies ? if you are not so you will stop shopping at this great market place?

There could have been many other raesons you might have given, but I have no idea why u ended up having such a retarded one.

Political and events in the history can not be, and should not be viewd in isolation and ought to be understood in their right historic perspective but you seem to be just flowing with the flow and saying things that are politically fashinable to say in India. There are very many colors in the world but I guess people on this issue just opt to view things in BLACK and WHITE.

Yes Pakistan supported Kashmiri sepratists with arms and training, but didn`t India do the same in then east-Pakistan, please dont feed us with the Indian official stand on the issue I am fully aware of that and I am also aware of the reasons behind Band ladesh`s seperation.

Pakistan`s left, to which I always belonged, never supported Pakistani adventures in Kashmir, that should never be taken wrong to mean that they supported Indian blunders in East-Pakistan, Junagurrah and Hyderabad.

All we need to do is to realize that we are better off being co-operating neighbours as oppose to bitter foes and such a goal can`t be achieved by going nukes and amassing armies at the borders.

I find this discussion very relevant as I dont see cricket ties improving without improving political ties and such discussions are needed to understand eachother`s point of views.

ANd Mofeez are you this
[http://www-usa.cricket.org/link_to_database/PLAYERS/PAK/M/MUFEEZ_MURTAZA_07019733/] ?

Cheers up fellas,
Munjan.

Moffez,
These days people are talking about the fisrt class setup in Pakistan and are criticising it from left and right, I think you have the talent and ability to write on it. I have tried to write an article but I been handicapped because I dont have the experience in 1st class cricket that you do.

It seems to be the need of the day that someone who knows how to write and knows the first class cricket to write a detailed critique of the Pak cricket setup. I dont think you need my help but I can forward you whatever I have wrote up so far.

Munajn.

Reply to #22 by Munjan

``It seems to be the need of the day that someone who knows how to write and knows the first class cricket to write a detailed critique of the Pak cricket setup. I dont think you need my help but I can forward you whatever I have wrote up so far. ``

Please do.

``ANd Mofeez are you this
[http://www-usa.cricket.org/link_to_database/PLAYERS/PAK/M/MUFEEZ_MURTAZA_07019733/] ? ``

Yes I am! It was surprising for me to see that too. The record is a little skewed because by the time my Islamabad team made it to the first class level by winning the div II league, it was my last year in Pak before I decided to come to US to study. I did go back in the summers and play for Islamabad in the first class tournament a couple of times but by that time not playing for 9 months in the US had taken its toll. However, it is good to have my name up there. Atleast people can see that I was not lying when I said I did play first class cricket.