Bina Shah March 8, 2003
#29 Posted by Tipu on March 9, 2003 6:44:55 am
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#27 Posted by Ahmadzai on March 9, 2003 6:44:55 am
Excellent article.
I have found a solution to get out of my misery.
I am going to Afghanistan and renewing my passport with Karzai`s pro-American and genuine Taliban basher stamp affixed ;)
On a serious note, what is life without a challenge to overcome it :)
I have found a solution to get out of my misery.
I am going to Afghanistan and renewing my passport with Karzai`s pro-American and genuine Taliban basher stamp affixed ;)
On a serious note, what is life without a challenge to overcome it :)
#26 Posted by Agha on March 9, 2003 6:44:55 am
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#25 Posted by mohar11 on March 9, 2003 6:44:55 am
//.... Why have you not spoken out against your government? Why do you spread trouble throughout the world? Why have you kept quiet while your people were ruining our lives? ... Does your religion really encourage suicide bombings, violence, destruction of Israel and America? ...//
These are legitimate questions from people who have endured worst terrorist attack ever in history. Be brave and face the questions. In fact these are the questions you should be asking yourself. why are you whinning?
And cut the cr*p, you are NOT ``New Jews``. It`s an insult to jews who endured the worst prosecution in recorded history. Registering with INS is NOT same as being railroaded into a concentration camp. Answering a few questions at the airport immigration counter is not same as facing SS squads.
For god`s sake - white christian grandmothers are being strip-searched at US airports and you are talking about racial profiling? Your penchant for claiming victimhood at the drop of a hat is disgusting.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
New Jews indeed!!
These are legitimate questions from people who have endured worst terrorist attack ever in history. Be brave and face the questions. In fact these are the questions you should be asking yourself. why are you whinning?
And cut the cr*p, you are NOT ``New Jews``. It`s an insult to jews who endured the worst prosecution in recorded history. Registering with INS is NOT same as being railroaded into a concentration camp. Answering a few questions at the airport immigration counter is not same as facing SS squads.
For god`s sake - white christian grandmothers are being strip-searched at US airports and you are talking about racial profiling? Your penchant for claiming victimhood at the drop of a hat is disgusting.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
New Jews indeed!!
#24 Posted by Bhitai on March 9, 2003 6:44:55 am
Yes, Muslims are new Jew but for different reasons. Both have double standards; both are noisy and pushy
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SammerJB
what about those protestant evangelists, who are drooling incessantly over the idea of Armagaddon? I guess you don`t see any hypocrisy in the followers of `Prince of Peace` who sit on top of the biggest imaginable pile of WMDs and incidentally enjoy some unusual level of influence on a rather gullible president? These people are far more dangerous than those cave dwellers for one simple reason : they have ambitions, and they have the MEANS to carry them out.
And btw.. you don`t speak for the whole nation when drawing upon your own experiences, like calling goras `chooras`. My mother went to an Adventist school and was all praise for Americans, does that give me to speak on behalf of 140 million people? no! So let`s not try to extrapolate our experiences to the whole qom.
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SammerJB
what about those protestant evangelists, who are drooling incessantly over the idea of Armagaddon? I guess you don`t see any hypocrisy in the followers of `Prince of Peace` who sit on top of the biggest imaginable pile of WMDs and incidentally enjoy some unusual level of influence on a rather gullible president? These people are far more dangerous than those cave dwellers for one simple reason : they have ambitions, and they have the MEANS to carry them out.
And btw.. you don`t speak for the whole nation when drawing upon your own experiences, like calling goras `chooras`. My mother went to an Adventist school and was all praise for Americans, does that give me to speak on behalf of 140 million people? no! So let`s not try to extrapolate our experiences to the whole qom.
#23 Posted by Bhitai on March 9, 2003 6:44:55 am
BinaShah
welcome to the club, we Shiites have always labeled `mini-jews` by our brethren ;-) I guess it`s time the whole community wears that crown of thorns!
On a more serious note, I believe it`s more appropriate to call ourselves the `new commie`, since afterall someone had to fill the void left by the soviets..
welcome to the club, we Shiites have always labeled `mini-jews` by our brethren ;-) I guess it`s time the whole community wears that crown of thorns!
On a more serious note, I believe it`s more appropriate to call ourselves the `new commie`, since afterall someone had to fill the void left by the soviets..
#22 Posted by mohar11 on March 9, 2003 6:44:55 am
Bina
//...Blame the other, blame your mother, blame anyone but yourselves, and pull your blankets a little tighter over yourselves at night. Then sleep a dreamless sleep, where we are on the other side of the world, kept out by your Maignot Lines, your Hadrian’s Walls, your INS regulations and your racial profiling. ...//
Clearly, you make no attempt to understand the pains of a traumatised population who have endured such horrible terrorist attacks ( and who , by your own admission , have given you part of your identity). You are mocking at them when they cower under their blankets fearing another terrorist attack. These stupid americans - look how they are trembling with fear, cowards all of them, you seem to be saying.
For you - the events surrounding 9/11 is just ``brouhaha``. Americans` fear of Al Qaeda sleeper cells is just hog*wash. Their concern about a ruthless dictator trying to build nuke arsenal is so exaggerated. These stupid americans!!
Why do you expect they understand your pains when you make no attempt to understand theirs?
How dare they keep you outside their ``Maignot Lines`` ? you have a birth-right to this land and yet you have no desire to show some compassion to its inhabitants. Great!!
//...Blame the other, blame your mother, blame anyone but yourselves, and pull your blankets a little tighter over yourselves at night. Then sleep a dreamless sleep, where we are on the other side of the world, kept out by your Maignot Lines, your Hadrian’s Walls, your INS regulations and your racial profiling. ...//
Clearly, you make no attempt to understand the pains of a traumatised population who have endured such horrible terrorist attacks ( and who , by your own admission , have given you part of your identity). You are mocking at them when they cower under their blankets fearing another terrorist attack. These stupid americans - look how they are trembling with fear, cowards all of them, you seem to be saying.
For you - the events surrounding 9/11 is just ``brouhaha``. Americans` fear of Al Qaeda sleeper cells is just hog*wash. Their concern about a ruthless dictator trying to build nuke arsenal is so exaggerated. These stupid americans!!
Why do you expect they understand your pains when you make no attempt to understand theirs?
How dare they keep you outside their ``Maignot Lines`` ? you have a birth-right to this land and yet you have no desire to show some compassion to its inhabitants. Great!!
#21 Posted by JayJay on March 9, 2003 6:44:55 am
Being an ex-Islamabadite, born to a Muslim family, myself I cannot agree with SameerJB more. (Remember the Christian ghettos around drainage nullahs in G-7, F-7 and other sectors, out of the sight of sensitive civil servants, politicians and diplomats).
How can Muslims start comparing themselves with Jews? Despite centuries, two millennia to be exact, of relentless and institutionalized persecution, Jews never resorted to violence in their defense. Importantly, even during the years of persecution, ghettos, hatred, etc, Jews continued to make tremendous contribution to the mankind as academics, physicians, scientists, businessmen and artists. The worldwide racial hatred could not bog their spirits down and they continued to play their part as intellectuals. Their contributions were always proportionally well over and above their minor numbers. The Jews paid attention to education and the learnt to adapt themselves in the host cultures. They always prided themselves as Austrians, Poles or Russian first, Jews later. A Jew of 18th century would have answered, “ I am an Austrian,” when asked, “who are you?”
I do not see any Jewish qualities in the Muslims. To compare violent and fanatic Muslims with the Jews of the past is to degrade humanity.
Bina, learn to say “I am an American” as your “spirit” is American, I believe.
How can Muslims start comparing themselves with Jews? Despite centuries, two millennia to be exact, of relentless and institutionalized persecution, Jews never resorted to violence in their defense. Importantly, even during the years of persecution, ghettos, hatred, etc, Jews continued to make tremendous contribution to the mankind as academics, physicians, scientists, businessmen and artists. The worldwide racial hatred could not bog their spirits down and they continued to play their part as intellectuals. Their contributions were always proportionally well over and above their minor numbers. The Jews paid attention to education and the learnt to adapt themselves in the host cultures. They always prided themselves as Austrians, Poles or Russian first, Jews later. A Jew of 18th century would have answered, “ I am an Austrian,” when asked, “who are you?”
I do not see any Jewish qualities in the Muslims. To compare violent and fanatic Muslims with the Jews of the past is to degrade humanity.
Bina, learn to say “I am an American” as your “spirit” is American, I believe.
#20 Posted by Sobia on March 9, 2003 6:44:55 am
excellent, bina...very powerful and thought provoking.
#19 Posted by yusafkhan on March 9, 2003 6:44:44 am
yo Jay & company....you said
>>..core belief of islam, jihad, the killing of non-innocents. What all >>these islam white washing authors fail to recognise is that
>>world is against only one aspect of islam, the preaching that individual >>muslims have to search out and kill the non-innocent.
you must have been getting your limited information from Fox News or did you get the Islam for Dummies from your local Borders? Jihad is not the killing of ``non-innocents``....and by the way what is a ``non-innocent``? Oh yeah...every morning I get an email from God with the names of the ``non-innocents`` I have to kill...no let me use the word Liquidate...sounds more cold you know....more Muslim. See you at your next anti muslim reply.
SameerJB....whats the JB for?...BJ sounds better....dude I grew up in Pakistan and knew quite a few Pakistani and non Pakistani Christians and have never heard the name ChohRa given to them. You must have been a sick pup to spend your days hating Christians and calling them ChohRa`s. Lets get the facts straight boy; you probably spent your days looking for sex in Islamabad and when failed you started calling them ChohRa`s. And so what if the shopkeepers charged the foreigners more....big deal havent you heard of the tourist trap?
>>..core belief of islam, jihad, the killing of non-innocents. What all >>these islam white washing authors fail to recognise is that
>>world is against only one aspect of islam, the preaching that individual >>muslims have to search out and kill the non-innocent.
you must have been getting your limited information from Fox News or did you get the Islam for Dummies from your local Borders? Jihad is not the killing of ``non-innocents``....and by the way what is a ``non-innocent``? Oh yeah...every morning I get an email from God with the names of the ``non-innocents`` I have to kill...no let me use the word Liquidate...sounds more cold you know....more Muslim. See you at your next anti muslim reply.
SameerJB....whats the JB for?...BJ sounds better....dude I grew up in Pakistan and knew quite a few Pakistani and non Pakistani Christians and have never heard the name ChohRa given to them. You must have been a sick pup to spend your days hating Christians and calling them ChohRa`s. Lets get the facts straight boy; you probably spent your days looking for sex in Islamabad and when failed you started calling them ChohRa`s. And so what if the shopkeepers charged the foreigners more....big deal havent you heard of the tourist trap?
#18 Posted by KOI-KON on March 9, 2003 6:44:43 am
well bina...what if i say that there is a bit of make-up on ur greif... identity crises is there but its not being american or being an NRP..it still encirclesus in pakistan dont u think that v too inherit a couple of contradictions and that as v grow v keep on adding it...yes right.. u have to listenthe accusitions and justifications from both sides but.....i agree nothin can b done abt it and v have to wait until the dawn of a cultureless world..
#17 Posted by madhav on March 9, 2003 6:44:43 am
i think you are assuming the world has gone insane.
why dont you pause and think that paletine, chechnya, xinkiang, phillipnes, kashmir, ayodhya, WTC, kosova, .rushdie/iran ...why everywhere folowing is common---
-One party of dispute is Muslims
-they say they cant live with anybody else
-they resorted to worst kind of terrorism and invented greivances
-milloins of mulims are on streets for subdry reasons like ``support osama`` or against some sundry remark by somebody , but never to denounce acts of terrors by muslims
-muslims want not only but special rights in other countries but sadi arabia confiscates bible/geeta at airport
-from bangladesh to morrocco --all islamic countries are non-democratic and all non-islamic countires are
why dont you pause and think that paletine, chechnya, xinkiang, phillipnes, kashmir, ayodhya, WTC, kosova, .rushdie/iran ...why everywhere folowing is common---
-One party of dispute is Muslims
-they say they cant live with anybody else
-they resorted to worst kind of terrorism and invented greivances
-milloins of mulims are on streets for subdry reasons like ``support osama`` or against some sundry remark by somebody , but never to denounce acts of terrors by muslims
-muslims want not only but special rights in other countries but sadi arabia confiscates bible/geeta at airport
-from bangladesh to morrocco --all islamic countries are non-democratic and all non-islamic countires are
#16 Posted by tahmed32 on March 9, 2003 6:44:43 am
sameerjb #11 you write ``In the good old days of me a proud Muslim boy growing up in Islamabad, we had two words to describe christians, namely desi chohRa and velayeti chohRa. A velayati chohRa was a foreigner belonging to some European or American embassy in Islamabad.
Only difference is that we did not have CNN and FOX to say those things loudly and to be heard to the rest of the world. The shopkeepers in Islamabad would charge lot more from foreigners than locals. I have witnessed many times the way Pakistani treated white foreigners in various places in Islamabad. ``
While there is some truth in what you say, I think you overstate your case. Shopkeepers will charge what they think the market will bear, not out of spite.
Also, you are wrong in making it appear that being a muslim has anything to do with the low-class behavior of namecalling, and that local christians and whites are the only targets of such practices.
Namecalling of other communities reflects low-class upbringing and clinically retarded behavior for a grown up man. On chowk I have in fact seen (and commented on) it practiced by Indian posters for example (the name Pakistan has been twisted to every possible offensive word possible for example - Pukistan, Terroristan, etc.) much less than Pakistanis for some reason. I dont say all Indians are low class - there are many fine people I have met in real life and some on chowk too - but it does seem that India has far more lowclass ones come to chowk. So, you go too far in attributing this behavior to muslims only.
So, please try to maintain your balance when venting your spleen, if that is the phrase. Otherwise you simply fall flat on your face, and people on chowk say ``There goes our good friend sameerJB again, waving his arms in the air and cursing muslims. Boy, we are really, really bad people, otherwise why would Mr. SameerJB always vent his spleen at us no good muslims.`` ;-)
Only difference is that we did not have CNN and FOX to say those things loudly and to be heard to the rest of the world. The shopkeepers in Islamabad would charge lot more from foreigners than locals. I have witnessed many times the way Pakistani treated white foreigners in various places in Islamabad. ``
While there is some truth in what you say, I think you overstate your case. Shopkeepers will charge what they think the market will bear, not out of spite.
Also, you are wrong in making it appear that being a muslim has anything to do with the low-class behavior of namecalling, and that local christians and whites are the only targets of such practices.
Namecalling of other communities reflects low-class upbringing and clinically retarded behavior for a grown up man. On chowk I have in fact seen (and commented on) it practiced by Indian posters for example (the name Pakistan has been twisted to every possible offensive word possible for example - Pukistan, Terroristan, etc.) much less than Pakistanis for some reason. I dont say all Indians are low class - there are many fine people I have met in real life and some on chowk too - but it does seem that India has far more lowclass ones come to chowk. So, you go too far in attributing this behavior to muslims only.
So, please try to maintain your balance when venting your spleen, if that is the phrase. Otherwise you simply fall flat on your face, and people on chowk say ``There goes our good friend sameerJB again, waving his arms in the air and cursing muslims. Boy, we are really, really bad people, otherwise why would Mr. SameerJB always vent his spleen at us no good muslims.`` ;-)
#15 Posted by ssdhillon on March 9, 2003 6:44:43 am
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Muslims are the new Jews, where Pakistanis are terrorists, visa cheaters and total bastards, What am I?
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What about the reasons behind this image that muslims have. What about the fact that Pakistan is the training ground for thousands of terrirists. Lashkar-e-Toiba, Hizbul-Mujahideen are pakistani organisations. Hell....LET is headqurtered in Muridke.....even has a yearly meeting as if it is some kind of a corporation. Most notorious islamic terrorists have a connection to Pakistan. Mohammad Atta, Richard Reid were regular visitors to Peshawar.You want the whole world to simply ignore the facts!!!!
As far as being the new jews....I read Pakistani newspapers. I can not beleive the kind of hatred even newspapers like Dawn spew against jews. A couple of days ago a columnist tore into Richard Pybus wondering why the board hired a jew!!!. Look around....almost very muslim country is producing terrorists. Muslims are reaping the results of hatred that is so endemic to their societies. Do not associate this with anti-semitism.
Muslims are the new Jews, where Pakistanis are terrorists, visa cheaters and total bastards, What am I?
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What about the reasons behind this image that muslims have. What about the fact that Pakistan is the training ground for thousands of terrirists. Lashkar-e-Toiba, Hizbul-Mujahideen are pakistani organisations. Hell....LET is headqurtered in Muridke.....even has a yearly meeting as if it is some kind of a corporation. Most notorious islamic terrorists have a connection to Pakistan. Mohammad Atta, Richard Reid were regular visitors to Peshawar.You want the whole world to simply ignore the facts!!!!
As far as being the new jews....I read Pakistani newspapers. I can not beleive the kind of hatred even newspapers like Dawn spew against jews. A couple of days ago a columnist tore into Richard Pybus wondering why the board hired a jew!!!. Look around....almost very muslim country is producing terrorists. Muslims are reaping the results of hatred that is so endemic to their societies. Do not associate this with anti-semitism.
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