The New Jews

#123

Pakistan has just done that today. GOP is already anticipating an attack from India in April-May time frame as a consequence.

In my previous post, the term secular refers to essentially an irreligious society, not the respect for all religions bullshit the Indian gov`t bandies about.

IT`S TIME FOR PAKISTAN TO SHOW SOME SELF RESPECT AND DIGNITY IN THE SECURITY COUNCIL --

IF PAKISTAN CANNOT SAY THE WORD -- NO -- TO THE AMERICANS -- IT MUST and MUST -- at least say -- PAKISTAN ABSTAINS

Pakistan signed with the Americans to fight TERRORISM -- and has DONE ADMIRABELY WELL so far --

Pakistan DID NOT SIGN with Americans -- to fight -- BUSH`S PERSONAL WAR --

Therefore -- Pakistan is under NO OBLIGATION to participate in -- BUSH`S CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY. Period.

Can Musharraf say THAT?

Sadna @ # 98:

You wrote:
``Check out Syed Munawar Husain of JeI on PTV:
http://live.pibc.com:7070/ramgen/pv/smil/ptvnews/primetime.smil

He says if you arrest the last 5 ISI chiefs, you will have control over entire Al Qaeda. He says many other things too :). ``

My point of view:

I would say that 4 of the last 5 Chiefs contributed. One of them has his own rationale that we can discuss later i.e. if it is of your interest.

In addition, I think at least one of our Chief of the Army Staff viz. General (Retd) Mohammad Aslam Baig should be publicly hanged on his role of speaking in support of Saddam during the 1st Iraq war.

The ISI `s policy was wrong from the inception. First of all, the reasoning that Afghanistan provided strategic depth to Pakistan was based on the false premise. It is a friendly Iran that provides a natural strategic depth to Pakistan.

In Afghanistan, after the US and Russia had left, Pakistanis should have worked with Iran to form a coalition Government comprising Pashtoons, Hazaras and pro-Islam Tajiks (Maulana Burhanuddin faction) and then left that country on its own. As it turned out, that country became an extra baggage for us.

Also, the role of Islamic parties like Jamaat-e-Islami and others is hypocritical. They are capitalizing on our emotionalism by painting OBL and Saddam as saviors of Muslims. The hypocrisy comes from Saddam`s party being a socialist (Ba`ath means socialist) and cowardly OBL`s actions only harming Muslim interests.

On the contrary, these parties should have educated their supporters on how dangerous are these two people to Muslims themselves. It is their failure on this count that during anti-war marches, their people lift high photographs of OBL and Saddam. Just imagine the stupidity from a purely Islamist`s point of view - he is supporting the two rogues who are in fact responsible for bringing misery on Islamic movements of Palestine, Kashmir, Chechniya, Central Asian Republics, Moro Liberation Front, etc. (not that I support such a view. My views on Kashmir are known to you through another series of exchange).

It is simply because of these two parties i.e. ISI and Islamists that have failed us that people like me tend to support General Pervaiz Musharraf. The problem is that due to his role in Kargil, another enemy sees us face to face on our eastern border, who is refusing to forget history and extend a friendly arm to him so that he concentrates on finishing off extremist elements in Pakistan once for all. So the person who can deliver us from our failures has enemies all around him - Al Qaeda, Islamists, Indians, remnants of Talibans, opposition parties of Nawaz and Benazir who have their own axes to grind, etc.

Jay at # 117:

That Indian posters quote excerpts from Pakistani newspapers and media (ref. Sadna at # 98) is a proof that our media is free and all type of issues get discussed.

Fyi, Professor Abdul Salam`s Nobel anniversary comes, the day is celebrated in at least 3 following Universities:

1. NED Engg. University, Karachi
2. University of Karachi
3. Quaid-e-Azam University, Islamabad.

Moreover, if you want to read good articles from a Qadiani writer, read Mr. Kunwar Idrees in Dawn and News.

Mr. Kunwar Idrees has served as Chief Secretary of Sindh, Chairman of Pakistan Automobile Corporation, Chief Executive of Bankers Equity Limited, etc.

More than TNT (which I believe is a non-issue just like every Pakistani married to 4 wives and waiting for 72 houris), it is living in a closed environment like a frog in a well that adversely impacts Pakistanis. We falsely believe that the whole world revolves around us and that we are the thaikaydars of Islam and of Ummah. An average Pakistani should be brought on orientation to here in Europe for at least 1 week to see in what kind of under-development we are living back home to open up our minds and thinking faculties.

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Ahmedzai,

What you have reproduced from the indian news papers is the strength of india.
The issues about pakistan that I post here are never to be found in pak media. I agree most of the pakistanis disagree with it even on the chowk, but here is an example, a day to honour abdus salam. People like YLH have written about shers sha suri, ayesh has written about daniel pearl, but no one writes a an article about abdus salam, a comemmorative article on his birth day, 28 January. The reason is simple, the TNT education has gone so deep in the pak psyche that no one wants to hear about abdus salam.
I have seen this every year on chowk, when the nobel season comes, all pakistanis will be talking about nobel prize for Ehdi for the great work he has done. People who refuse t honour a existing winner in an ahmadia wants are arguing for a new one for a pakistani. Well, well, a little known fact, Ehdi is a maulana. If Maulana Abdus Salam were to win a nobel prize, it would have been a different story. This is the extend to which the educated have been brainwashed.

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#111 by semipreciousme on March 10, 2003 2:28pm PT

[...i also hope you happened to read the letters in the mail section lambasting dawn for letting such idiocy go into print...]

No one is disputing the fact that a lot of people complained, but the fact remains that there ARE substantial numbers of people in Pakistan who subscribe to such disgusting theories. Urdu newspapers, that have much higher subscriptions than English newspapers, endlessly talk of a joint American-Zionist-Hindu plot to take control of Pakistan`s nukes and such fairy tales. Columnists like Hamid Gul, the notorious ISI chief and the pioneer of the strategic depth BS constantly lament the inability of their leaders to stand up to the Western threat, and openly urge the government to unleash a storm of nukes on Indian cities. Why does such crap have to go into print at all?

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Ref arjun_m #104

[12-head..stop talking out of your rear..One could become a computer engineer without reading a single book written by a muslim(or a hindu)...try doing that by boycotting books written by jewish authors.]

Since 12-Head is a doctor, perhaps he could stop using the Jewish vaccine for polio. As his co-religionists in India already believe, polio vaccination is some sort of Hundu-fundoo conspiracy against The True Believers. Just tell them that Jonas Salk and Albert Sabin were Jewish doctors who developed the polio vaccines and they would be convinced that the Jew-Hindu conspiracy is for real.

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...bina...good, incisive article...could relate to so much of what you said...


ssdhillon

``A couple of days ago a columnist tore into Richard Pybus wondering why the board hired a jew!!!. ``


...i also hope you happened to read the letters in the mail section lambasting dawn for letting such idiocy go into print...

#109 Tipu

So this is the great problem with jews: that some poor rural jews, on immigrating to USA, have difficulty moving forward with their traditions. And that they beat their wives and use physical discipline on their children.

And this is the same as flying planes into building? As praising suicide bombings? As legitimizing mass murder of civilians in the name of `freedom struggle``? As attacking legislatures and parliament buildings with explosive weapons? As issuing fatwas which say anyone who votes will be killed?

All your message proves is that you are unable to understand and function in a democracy. That you feel that the normal struggles of a community, honestly reported, are equivalent to the horrific islamist extremism that infects ``countries`` like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.