The New Jews

bina:

...pursuit of gnothi seuton never abandons the sensitive few…

poignant, passionate, perturbing, persuasive, but not piquant, pungent, pathetic or piteous….cudos kiddo…

….before one can demand to be left alone, one must earn that right…what have we as muslims done to earn that right?…we must look seriously into raising awareness…we as in the silent majority turning activist…and spreading awareness from within and without…education and soul searching and as done for the jews by their lobby groups like B’nai B’rit viz. anti-semitism…we must eschew manufacture and export of terrorism...not that you and i do that...but being part of the silent passive majority is guilt by association...we should be more forthcoming in our opposition to those who have hijacked out identity, body and soul...atleast mine...

bspnd,

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arjun_m @ # 36 and other Indians speaking on the same matter:

``Racial profiling how? Aren`t Pakis the same race as the Indians?

OK OK since Indians are our guests on this board, let us agree out of hospitality that all Pakistanis are of Indian race. Afghans, Iranians, Red Indians, etc. are also of Indian race. Even the early Cro-Magnons and Neanderthals were of Indian race. Actually let us admit that dynasaurs and snow age mammals were of Indian race too.

Chowsters, please join me in the written petition to the World Paleantologist Organization (WPO) to rename Dynasaurs as Indianosaurs, e.g. Tyrannosaur should be renamed as TyrannoIndianosaur and Sabre Toothed Tiger should be renamed as Sabre Toothed Indian. But then WPO may claim that these two species are not extinct, that they still exist in BJP lead Government.

arjun_m: are you happy now? Khoosh?

;)

It’s made me ask a question that I haven’t asked myself since I was at least twenty-one.

Was that couple of weeks ago - plz confirm.

tahmed32 #14 to SameerJB

Heavy intellectual treatment of the subject from one of the New Jews!!

tahmed`s remarks on low class Indians reminds me tahmed told me I had had a `low class upbringing` because in a discussion about Mohammad Atta and his 9/11 fellow hijackers, I pointed out Mohammad Atta and co didnot suffer the deprivations of poverty, they came from well-to-do families.

I wonder if the typical attitude of tahmed`s which leads him to badmouth an Indian/Indians during a discussion of 9/11 has any connection with Bina Shah`s predicament. Ostriches will always wonder what hit them from the behind.
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Bina Shah, I am sure that asking yourself existential questions is good for you, but BE a little like the stereotypical `Jew`, use your head a little and ask your government and your government`s favorite intelligence agency questions as well. For example why have so many 9/11 conspirators been found and arrested in Pakistan, holding Pakistani passports, the last Khalid Mohammad within a few miles of your President`s home. The first WTC bomber(1993) Ramsi Yousef was also a Pakistani passport holder. Did you have questions about your identity from 1993?

We live in an interconnected world, innocent Pakistani-passport holders cannot be distinguished from guilty Pakistani-passport holders simply by looking at them. Civil servants donot have time to hear personal histories, they barely have time to examine all ones papers.

Your sensibilities are offended by their temerity to doubt your antecedents, but at least you are alive and depend on continuing to be alive and publish your articles. The civil servant who examines your papers cannot depend on remaining alive. Those under terrorist threat cannot depend on continuing to be alive. Those who died in the embassy bombings in W Africa, the synagogue bombings in Tunisia and Spain and night club bombings in Bali, had they had a choice, would have liked to have the benefit of the current American paranoia.

There is no terrorist organisations which has sworn to kill Pakistanis whereever they are found. So be a Pakistani.

...jews built wall street...urstruly and his ilk are busy building ghettos in detroit and sending cash to madrassahs at home...

...BIG DIFFERENCE...you have nothing in common with jews...give it a rest...

Very thought provoking..
In the aftermath of 9/11, the phenomenon of ``moderate muslims`` and ``extremist muslims`` has surfaced. I dont think the americans are as quick to judge as we may believe they are. Most of the antiwar protestors were white americans and that may not allude to any liking of Pakistanis but it certainly shows they question. I think most people are aware that moderate muslims exist. Hell atheist, gay muslims exist. Whenever i am asked what i am , i simply say im pakistani. Yes i get
``you survived?`` and ``oh`` replies but hey my countrymen havent made me proud have they? and i accept that, but i dont feel guilt or embarassment because i have nothing to feel guilty and embarrassed about.
extremists were flourishing in Pak. before 9/11 - although the MMA has come to power consequent to that, 9/11 has affected us favourably because of the crackdown on jehadi`s.Now they arent as free to go kill in the name of jehad as they were. The shia killings havent stopped but lessened.

Jews never resorted to violence in their defense. Importantly, even during the years of persecution
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`I used to be a terrorist` says Uri Avnery, an israeli war-hero and a former freedom fighter. He says he `identifies` with the palestinian terrorists a little, after they attacked and killed 25 youths in 2001.

http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/6443/Imassacre/once.html

So Fyi, the founding fathers of israel, even their current `man of peace` were labeled `terrorist` by none but the British themselves. It seems that the eons of jewish `non-violence` didn`t pay off aterall, it in fact landed them at Austchwitz! What evolved afterwards was a characterestically militant agenda, and it continues to-date. Apparently someone from the ghettos of poland finally woke up to a cruel lesson that History tries to teach every nation, something that Iqbal has beautifully summed up in one line:

`laakh hakeem Sir ba-jaib, Aik Kaleem Sir ba-kaf!`

Kaleem=Moses!

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Bina,

being a pakistani, it might be better to call yorself, the new ahmadia, having known the treatment meted out to ahmadias.

I`ve felt many of the questioning looks you write about above. I criticize these INS regulations. However, it is their country and it is their freedom being put to the test. Such and other regulations are the precursor that will destroy the very things America stood up for.

I really like your writings Bina-this piece was average though. I`d differ on two major points with this one:

1) I`ve had the fortune of coming across Americans who are adamant that their government is committing a blunder by going to war against Iraq. And then they come up with a list of reasons why they are against their government. I admire them. They blame themselves.

Much of what you`ve said is correct. However, I`d prefer that Pakistanis and Muslims FIRST come up with ONE HUNDRED things that they are personally at fault with- as individuals or as a society/government etc- and then try to initiate ways to fix those faults. Only AFTER this can their arguments against America carry some weight.

`blame anyone but yourself`- this is something Pakistanis do far more than Americans. I go by the thinking that nearly all of our problems are of our own making. It is a given that outside forces will meddle in weaker countries. History has made that obvious. blame should be placed on the CAUSE of weakness and not the consequence of it. Foreign powers meddling today are merely a consequence of internal weaknesses of countries.

2) `The New Jews` title is stretching it. It`s not a good title at all. The problems of 99% of Muslims are NOT due to lack of a homeland. For the remaining 1%, they neither have the inspiration nor the guts nor the history of the Jews. A good title would be `The New Muslim`. Yes, it`s not as inspiring - but it doesn`t deserve to be.

Muslims are the new jews? Naturally, as you subscribe to a victim culture and always focussed on the suffering only of muslims, this is a expedient way of getting attention to your suffering.

Unfortunately for you, there is much, much more to jews than a culture of victimhood. There is dedication to education and deep commitment to the broader society amongs which jews live. There is a love of music and science. There is the high-level of participation in the democratic process wherever they live. There is the high-level of participation in the educational system -- my guess would be that most faculty in graduate departments in the USA are 20-50% jewish. Not bad for a 3% minority.

Do you seriously think that you and your kind share any of this? I don`t think so. The only part of the jewish image that you have any interest is the ``victim`` part. THis is the part that all mainstream jews reject !!

What can one say at the ironies of such a situation? Ultra-upper class muslims, who have prospered while looking away from the murderous nonsense being propagated in their countries are the new jews? People who take pride in being muslim but refuse to take responsibility for what other muslims do? What a joke....

Bina

Those are pertinent questions and very well put.

But before now, an average American knew nothing beyond his county. The Europeans, especially the British or the French, understand the rest of the world far better.

It is a fact that an average Muslim is volatile and is not tolerant. That is not to say that Islam is intolerant.

The West has had its religious fights and have packed the religion back into the homes of people since the 8th Century.

But this conflict of religion-state-life continues in the Muslim world. Reintrepretation (Ijtihad) stopped in 8th Century. And it is not possible to follow the scripture in the present times. Thus the anger, frustration and holpelessness of the Muslims. Sufism, my belief , has absolutely no conflict with the present times.

So who am I?

As Wali khan said, a human being (Pathan) since 5000 years. A muslim since 1400 years and a Pakistani since 50 years.

This is a passing phase. The Muslims have to pay this price for their intolerance. The Japs are back normal. The Jews are back normal. So will Muslims as well.

Maybe, this entire chaos turns out better for the Muslims in the long run. They would need to do some soul-searching and find solutions to the conflicts raging inside them.

Pakistani held in Spain

MADRID, March 8: A Pakistani is among the five men arrested in Spain on suspicion of involvement in the suicide attack on a synagogue on the Tunisian resort island of Djerba in which 21 people died , investigators said on Saturday. The other four being held were described as Spanish nationals.


///Bina, I know that you are a modern day rip van winkle, unaware of the history of pakistan, the creation of taliban and the madrassas. Just to make you understand your present predicament, let me post a few actions of your country men so that you have a better understanding of the world after your long restful sleep at the elite pak educational institutions. Hva e a sense of reality, read the posters in the street corners calling kashmir jihad, attend a mosque, wait for next year and attend the e laskers meet at madreke.