The New Jews

Ref arjun_m #18

[Pakis have a tendency to assume Pakistan = Islam and Islam = Pakistan..Call a paki names and you automatically become an islam basher...]

King Faroukh of Egypt is supposed to have remarked that, hearing the Pakistanis talk, one would think that Islam was invented on Aug 14, 1947.

Ref yusafkhan #19

[SameerJB....whats the JB for?...BJ sounds better....dude I grew up in Pakistan and knew quite a few Pakistani and non Pakistani Christians and have never heard the name ChohRa given to them. You must have been a sick pup to spend your days hating Christians and calling them ChohRa`s. Lets get the facts straight boy; you probably spent your days looking for sex in Islamabad and when failed you started calling them ChohRa`s.]

So, YOUR idea is that Christian women are loose and available for sex or are easy prey.

And you want to lecture Sameer.

#47 by adnan_rafiq on March 9, 2003 1:33pm PT


[P.S. This post is only aimed at a small minority of Indians who suffer from phobias that inflict the likes of arjuns, jays and jayjays, etc.]

[It is you and your fellow Indians (some openly hostile and some with double standards) who is desperately trying to prove to the Western world that there is no difference between moderate Muslims and fanatics and that all of us must be dealt with in the same manner.]

Whether you believe it or not, I am a Paki and ashamed to be one because of characters like you, who so easily condemn everyone with a diverging view to be the enemy (Indian, Jew etc). Your Islamic “tolerance” is clearly on display in your message.

From your messages I am finding it very hard how to differentiate a “moderate” Muslim from a fanatic one. I believe the term “moderate Muslim” is an oxymoron as even moderate Muslims are not ready to question irrelevant and outdated dogmas of Islam. They cannot be called moderate in any sense of the word unless they are ready to replace blind faith with a reformed religion based on reason and rationality. (BTW I am a Sunni-Muslim by birth)

Ref jay #34

[being a pakistani, it might be better to call yorself, the new ahmadia, having known the treatment meted out to ahmadias.]

Right on target.

Just last week, ``The Hindu``, a newspaper published from Madras, which has a column named ``50 Years Ago Today``, reported that Zafrullah Khan, Foreign Minister of Pakistan, reportedly had submitted his resignation after being hounded for being an Ahmadi.

This is the man who argued Pakistan`s case on Kashmir brilliantly in the UN.

These wahhabi namak-harams are now claiming victimhood! What a joke!

Ref yusafkhan #19

[did you get the Islam for Dummies from your local Borders?]

I didn`t find that title but I found another one called `Bomb-making for Dummies`. Would that be the book you are referring to?

#41 by Bhitai on March 9, 2003 8:42am PT

[So Fyi, the founding fathers of israel, even their current `man of peace` were labeled `terrorist` by none but the British themselves.]

The persecution of Jews was systematically carried out since the Roman rule of Israel some 2000 years back until the Holocaust before and during the World War II, when estimated 6 millions lost their lives. My comparison only referred to the period of Jewish persecution as Bina’s article is trying to compare the plight of two people.

[It seems that the eons of jewish `non-violence` didn`t pay off aterall, it in fact landed them at Austchwitz!]

Mr/Ms Bhitai, please do not blame the victim for the crime. The Holocaust (especially Auschwitz) was a deplorable act by all means, which cannot be justified in any way.

Ref hrrehman #52

[Nothing offends me more than an Indian implying that we Pakistanis are the same race as Indians. I wouldn`t mind any other insult except for being called an Indian. We are from the land of the pure and not from the land where people Pray to Amitab Bachan drink cow urine and eat rat`s s**t and consider it holy. You people are so disgusting.]

No. You Pakistanis are all descended from either Prophet Mohammad, Gengiz Khan, Taimur Leng or Nadir Shah. Not a single one was born to a common soldier; everyone of you was born to a prince as most of you call yourself Baig. This is completely believable since we know that these various sultans had harems reaching about 300 women who were guarded by eunuchs, so every single one of you was fathered in some way by these conquerors. I am sorry if I missed out on Mohammad Ghauri or Muhammad Ghaznavi. I am not sure if any of you are descended from them.

As to the eating habits, I must point out to you that the US Government specifically allows a certain quantity of rat feces (rat s**t) in processed cereal. So if you have eaten Kellogg`s Corn Flakes, you have eaten rat feces. On the other hand, you might have been raised exclusively on Fauji cereal so you might have eaten only roach feces.

Regarding prayer to Amitabh Bachchan, I believe you are misinformed. The only temple ever raised to a movie star is that of Khushbhoo who is of the Islamic persuasion and thus might meet your approval.

Yours in the interest of truth,

Harimau

Adnan Rafiq at # 71:

It is a good post. However, I still feel that at least I am learning a lot from Indians` posts. It always pays to hear your adversary. One, it tells us where our adversary stands with respect to us and two, it helps us look and accept some of our own weaknesses.

Jay @ # 77: ``Take heart, there can be no smoke with out fire, accept what you are and what 50 years of TNT has done to you.``

harish_hyd @ # 71: ``Now that poor Ahmadzai isn`t able to defend his fellow-Jihadis anymore, he`s resorting to comedy.``

In response to your excellent post, please note meta-physics at work:

1. Children attend seminaries in Pakistan and become my fellow-Jihadis, but its Indians who have sent extremists like Advanis, Joshis and Modis into the Government.

2. Pakistan is blamed for assisting Talibans and Al Qaeda in the past and even now, cooperation for chemical weapons and unwanted arms comes out between Indian companies and Iraq.

3. Pakistanis have been taught TNT for last 50 years, but look who has made a u-turn:

http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20030317&fname=Column+Anita+%28F%29&sid=1

Writes the author, `` When the rest of the world is discussing war, GDP and jobs, in India we are talking about beef and cow, its urine and dung. If ever we needed proof that Hindutva is a phenomenon that is out of sync with reality, modernity and sanity, this is it. And if you thought Hindutva was the worst thing to happen to Indian politics, think again. Far worse is ``competitive Hindutva`` which is plunging Indian politics to the pits. When fishing for votes, politicians stoop to unimaginable depths. After all, this is India. ``We are like this only.``

Indians bent upon thrashing Pakistan, please come to your senses. Pakistanis have nothing to rant against Indians. Indians are doing wonderful job and while acknowleding their remarkable feats, in many areas we are just trying to mend our ways. So kindly discuss issues in positive frame of mind.

This is a request :)

Otherwise, more comedy can always follow hahaha.

arjun....Kuwait DOES hand out citizenships in certain cases and used to more openly about 20 years ago when I assume Khalid Sheikh Mohammad`s father would have been there. Get your facts right
before you crawl back under that rock.
Hey didn`t the Indian army name a tank after you? Is that because you and others of your ilk (RSS, VHP etc) were instrumental in the rape and murder Indian muslims in Gujarat?

re: spout

{and ur point is? }


...my point is that there are pakis like hrrehman who take offence to being identified with the `indian race` but as soon as their behinds are being hauled off by the INS, they jump up and down to point out how goras cannot tell the difference between an indian and a paki...i want to know which is it?....they are either fair, tall and blonde, or they are the same race as the short, dark, and weak indians who gave them an ass whupping on march 1st on the cricket field...

You guys really pissed Rafiq Sahib off...

and he never loses it....


Lively article, Bina. Will respond tom.

#71 by adnan_rafiq
//..Its my party and I can cry if I want to...//

What`s the matter - can`t take a little criticism?

And are you sure it is still your ``party``? All around I see a bunch of horrible hindoos. But that`s what makes chowk an interesting ``party``, isn`t it?

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#71 Bravo, Adnan Rafiq...well said.

We are facing a tough time in this world simply because within us there is chaos and from the outside we are now the the collective enemy of the freeworld, i guess it had to happen once the red socialist demon had faltered. For the Indians this is perfect timing, I mean the Indian contributors to this site are just raring to be rude and abusive. I am sure a lot of Pakistanis will respond in a similiar manner, but it is another catch 22 of the provocation game. The Indians need to start looking at how irrelevant their own social and political structures are becoming. The Hate mongering against minorities in India is more excessive than anywhere else in the world.

the whole premise is flawed. comparing Muslims to Jews is ridiculous. Jews are a microscopic minority compared to 1 billion plus Muslims. Jews were very good at finance, science and arts. Other than sitting upon world`s oil reserves Muslims have achieved squat on the whole.