The New Jews

Groom 2002 programme



Last July the Pakistan Software Export Board launched a programme, Groom 2002, to promote IT students to the software development industry. For this, they held an entry test and selected 500 students from all over the country. Those selected were sent to various software houses in August 2002 for three-month internship. It was said that for those three months, the PSEB would pay us Rs3,000 stipend a month.

They got our bank account numbers and other required information and said that first month, stipend would be transferred within the next few days. We waited for two months, but later we were informed that we would get the stipend after the completion of our internship (November 2002). After the completion of the internship, we sent them internship completion certificates so that we could get our stipend, but they made us fool and continue to do so till now.

///At last pakistan is focussing on IT education. Well did bina say that pakistanis are visa cheaters, well here is the example of your own govt cheating the young. Take heart, there can be no smoke with out fire, accept what you are and what 50 years of TNT has done to you.

scout,

``how many Jews and Christians do we see answering the question of `what are you` with a religious identity?``

i was always under the impression that there was a whole discipline of Jewish Studies constructed to answer that question.

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ahmadzai,

Pakistan has not much choice, it will have to support the US and let us see, it is only another day left. The military has a lot to loose by not supporting the US, the paki abduls, well who cares.

To those who feel that Pakistanis at Chowk are Obsessed with their identity and religion:

I think its a glass empty vs glass full question. Pakistanis and Muslims are going through a period of turmoil and unrest (I admit that it is primarily of our own making and we need to stop blaming non-Muslims.) I think it is wonderful that the internet provides us with a medium to express our frustrations, anger and misunderstandings through writing alone. Would you prefer the violent alternative which has been the bane of Islam all this time?

As for Indians not writing about Gita, Ganga, etc., who is stopping them? If you want to write then write. If not, then we are okay with that too. Most articles written on Chowk discuss the problems faced by contemporary Muslims. Very few are openly hostile to India or non-Muslims. Can someone point out even a single sentence in Bina`s article where she is degrading non-Muslims? Has she written a single sentence which is blaming the Hindus or India? Yet, I see Indians attack the author and every other Pakistani discussing her article without being provoked. We did not invite Indians to come here. The audience of Bina`s article is obviously other Pakistanis. We are just trying to debate issues that affect us personally. No one is forcing the Indians to read the articles written for us by us. So we like to discuss our religion at Chowk, so what? We are not going to some completely unrelated site to vent our frustrations. We are just having a debat amongst ourselves. You don`t like it? Too bad. Go elsewhere or don`t participate.

There are people here who refer to Pakistan as Condomistan, Pukistan and stereotype all Pakistanis as madrassah educated Abduls. Then these very same people complain that we don`t get into rational discussions with them.

Its my party and I can cry if I want to.

#46 by ahmadzai on March 9, 2003 11:54am PT

Now that poor Ahmadzai isn`t able to defend his fellow-Jihadis anymore, he`s resorting to comedy.

tsk, tsk...

It`s not that Islam can`t produce an occasional Dara Shikoh. It`s just that Islamic Aurangzebs will always behead that Dara Shikoh, and will become Heroes of Islam
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Prof. Akbar S Ahmed compares Bhutto with Dara Shikoh and Zia with Aurengzeb. Apparently Zia was the blue-eyed boy of Ronald Reagen, and Bhutto, the `islamic-socialist`, was made `into an example` as per Kissinger`s threat.

So Sameer and n_m_a_s, what makes you guys think that a Dara Shikoh in today`s time wouldn`t have come across as a Socialist? (or atleast a reviled greenpeace guy;-))

SameerJB
//...Indians do not write article such as .... `true, real, actual message of gita, vedas, Adi granth` etc. Why then even [pakistani] people claiming to be moderate keep writing about it....//

My points exactly. In fact, I have seen hardly anybody else in the world wearing religion so out on their collective sleeves. Pakistanis, on the otherhand are just so obscenely obssessed with their muslimness, moderate, mullahs all alike.

Even some other muslims feel disgusted about it. I remember reading a piece about an incident where an OIC delegate who was so overwhelmed with pak`s lectures on Ummah and Islamic identity that he commented ``Pakistanis think Islam was invented on Aug 14th, 1947``.

specifically in chowk - any comment on negativce aspects of Islam immediately brings in a barrage of age-old rhetoric from pakis about how Islam is in danger, Muslims under attack , without any attempt to rationally debate the issues at hand.

#65 by arjun_m
China is preparing a massive military operation to crush the ``East Turkistan`` separatists in the Xinjiang province with combat helicopters, armored brigades, aerial surveillance drones and bomb-dismantling robots.
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Somebody should tell these Pakis that China loves them because of us.
Let`s now wait for another U turn from Pakistan on the ``muslims being prosecuted`` beaten to death agenda. Let`s see how the ummah reacts.
Maybe Chinese muslims are not muslims. Wonder what will Pervert Mushy do if the Mullahs put xinjiang on the map alog with Palestine and Kashmir ? A Disgusting national obsession that these Pakis have.

arjun & rsaxena & scout...I see it gives you quite a bit of pleasure to see a few Pakistani/Muslim weaklings whine about the INS and the workings of the US government. In the overall scheme of things all this is irrelevant. Islam has been under attack before and it managed to survive and I am sure it will this time too. Now we might not be around to see that but that is fate and you cannot fight fate friends; no matter how many cruise missiles and daisy cutters are used. So let the weaklings wine and let the self-righteous ones gloat. In the meantime all you Paki bashers call up the INS or the FBI on your suspicios looking ``Paki`` or muslim neighbor i.e. if you already havent done so. Revenge is sweet!

sadna #51 Hmmmmm...I thought I was the only tahmed32 on chowk. My mistake. You are obviously addressing the post to some other tahmed32, and pointing out certain deficiencies in what he wrote.
Please give my warm regards to this OTHER tahmed32.

ahmedzai #46 That was funny. As Shakespeare said ``Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Except in case of Arjun and friends who still rage and cutandpaste 50 years after the event.``
PS: Shakespeare did not live long enough to see this exception to his rule, and so I added that last part to bring things up to date.

This article epitomizes all that is twisted in Islam.

I see some (rozaiba, scout, sameerjb) asking pertinent questions but what effect will they have? If history is any guide, none.

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It`s not that Islam can`t produce an occasional Dara Shikoh. It`s just that Islamic Aurangzebs will always behead that Dara Shikoh, and will become Heroes of Islam.

I would say that it is a good thing that these hyper-upper class pakistanis are finally feeling some consequences of the actions of their class as a whole. Just for example, musharraf`s nephew was picked up on a visa violation in the US recently.

This issue has been discussed in the Indian press at some length. The issue is how to deal with a ruling class that is busy flying their progeny to Harvard while at home they cut deals with mullahs and close their eyes to the thousands of countrymen being trained for jihad. In this sense i think it is entirely appropriate that Pakistanis are being profiled and tracked everywhere.

I realize that this has some consequences for indians as we can be mistaken for pakistanis or Saudis. But without a doubt the sacrifice will be worthwhile.

#52 by hrrehman
Nothing offends me more than an Indian implying that we Pakistanis are the same race as Indians. I wouldn`t mind any other insult except for being called an Indian. We are from the land of the pure and not from the land where people Pray to Amitab Bachan drink cow urine and eat rat`s s**t and consider it holy. You people are so disgusting.
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Forgive Arjun, he didn`t mean to equate you with us. He meant that from a certain date in history to a certain other date we shared some common culture and hence for the rest of the world we are one and the same. May be in Dubai, they do a good job in differentiating Pakistanis(Pz) from Indians(Iz). P passport has a lot of value across the world as compared to I. These days INS seems to have got a handle of it too. So how dare he equate you with us who drink cow urine? And since you are savvy enuff to get onthe net and use it for your bigoted thoughts, I`m presuming that you really DO NOT think that all hindus (you sure meant that)drink cow urine. Are you, by and chance, being giving visions by the angel Gabriel ?

What Arjun has done is not unkown in India - particularly North - where some people - in all good faith - reach out to Pz. And no I`m not even talk ing about the communists. They are the average Arjun`s average Sharads. But this kick in the butt from the likes of you is very appropriate for only then they will see that they have been living in a world of their own - far away from reality. And it also reminds me that at one time I believed we were cousins - if not brothers and truly believed that we could live as one. Huh time is a wonderful teacher - hrrehmans of the world popped up and I realised how angel Gabriel had liked us to be different & unequal.

Are you one of those who firmly believe that Mohenjadaro and Harappa were your contribution to the world ? That the maths and science that the plunderers and looters marketed to the rest of the world as their own is really the contribution of Islam to the world ?

And yeah, please document all those visions from Gabriel or else there will be a lot of versions floating around: jihad and peace et all.