The New Jews

General point about Iraq`s WMD. If the US knows where Iraq`s WMDs are, why don`t they tell the UN inspectors so that Saddam and Iraq can be disarmed?

If the US doesnot know where Iraq`s WMDs are, how will waging war on Iraq reveal them? Its more likely in the event of a war that remanants of the losing Iraqi regime will sell off the WMDs to interested parties like the Chechen rebels or Bin Laden sympathisers, and take the profits when they escape into exile(remember the Nazis who fled to S. America ).

So toppling a regime which has hidden WMDs where you donot know is more dangerous than not toppling the regime, esp in Iraq which can quite easily pass through a period of anarchy by splitting into 3 hostile pieces.

So celebrating Olympics in Baghdad may change into celebrating nuclear winter somewhere.

Sadna @ # 143:
Ÿou wrote:
``Good post, thanks. One person or the actions of India cannot rid you of fundamentalists, it will happen only through the Pakistani public`s own consensus. If Musharraf had not made a point out of excluding his political rivals who could rally public consensus unlike him, he wouldnot be in this predicament. ``

My response:

When the extremists in Indian Government keep war pressure on Pakistan externally and pressure on their Muslim population internally, fundamentalists in Pakistan do gain ground. So a little bit of sensibility on India`s part would have enabled us to focus on the issue. But hen Indian has its own internal compulsions.

Secondly, we could not have allowed the two corrupt leaders living outside of their own accord to come back and participate in elections. Do remember that almost all the Nawaz supporters are in PML Q now. Since elections in our constituencies are won by the powerful people belonging to those constituencies, even the presence of Nawaz and Benazir could not have helped.

In fact I believe that the presence of Nawaz or Benazir would have made it very difficult to address the problem under their populist agenda and need to win and retain public support in the two MMA provinces. For example, look what Imran Khan has done. He started with his own agenda, but joined hands with Islamists to keep going.

I think, Musharraf and the current Government under PML Q will be able to effectively tackle the problem.

sadna#146:


“General point about Iraq`s WMD..”

:)

you know the answer!…


the coming holocaust is a naked grab…bush and company are mirror fundos to obl and am types...beards notwithstanding!

rgds,

...t

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harish: Great comeback, my two year old gentleman. You are so-o-o-o clever in choosing the pig to insult me, knowing I am a muslim. I am so deeply insulted that I am at a loss for words. ;-)
What do they feed you people anyway? Cant be the pill of eternal youth, since you and jay are I think grown up men. Must be the pill of eternal childishness.

ahmadzai #145
``When the extremists in Indian Government keep war pressure on Pakistan externally and pressure on their Muslim population internally, fundamentalists in Pakistan do gain ground.So a little bit of sensibility on India`s part would have enabled us to focus on the issue.``

That fundamentalists gain ground with Musharraf is believable. When Musharraf has spent a large part of his career associated with the strategically important Afghan and Kashmir jihads, it has to be a personal setback to him if the returns on both fronts is zero. I suspect the pressure on Musharraf to comes from within his own corp commander circle with similar long associations.

That fundamentalists gain ground with Pakistani public is IMO, only a convenient argument, not a true one. The electoral success of MMA in Balochistan and NWFP and the sympathy in these regions for Taliban and Al Qaeda has nothing to do with India. And its hard for anyone to believe that the populace of NWFP is, for instance giving up music because of India.

Yousefkhan 130,

That is a pathetic apologistic post about abdus salam. If any of you have any respect for abdus salam, why cant you do something about it isted of mentioning it in a post on chowk.

Whay not the pakistanis ask the ``university avenue`` on chowk to be renamed salam avenue, why cant the pak associations in the US form a fund to give scholarship to a pakistani and call it abdus slam award, why cant a pakistani write an article on the birth anniverasary of abdus salam.

Finally why cant you accept that if any of you dared to do any of the things mentioned above, the iSI will see to it that you will not see another sunrise. Why cant you say that you could be charged under the blasphemy laws.

At least why cant you give a reason why no one dares to mention abdus salam in public.

looks like the lap dog Blair is about to jump off the master Bush`s Titanic --

question is where will he land -- there is no land nearby -- on a Labor iceberg? --

Blair is doomed anyway -- ``nuh paaye maNdan nu jaaye ruftun`` -- trnslated in shudh vernacular -- dhobi ka kutta nu ghar ka nuh ghaat ka -

- should seve him well ...

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ref #142 Bhitai

My intent was to comment on the rest(not Prophet). But the sentence doesn`t come out that way and needless to say it`s offended the followers. I apologise.

By the same token, how about being sensitive to my feelings ? My(our)Gods ? My religion ? My culture ? The other guys(Taimur, Ghazni etc) are no more than mere Bastar*s and yes there seems to be an air of reverene when some Pakistani speak of them. It`s only a psycho who will be proud of a Taimur ancestry - what do you call those Germans who worship Hitler ? No wonder Pervert Musharraf clearly said in an interview(wish I had the link) that our heroes are your villains and our villains are your heroes.

My post touched you somewhere to stir you up and react - hope the actions / words of your other co-religionoists or country men also stir you into action. Where there is a Allah, there can be Ram and Krishna and Buddha. An average Indian always is tolerant as compared to an average muslim who`s not influenced by other cultures(western, hinduism etc.,). Naipaul sure hit the nail on it`s head when he said Islam makes one reject their past. Sorry for digressing though.

In the partition, it`s a Hindu who lost most. It`s an Indian who lost most. The wounds are ours more than anybodyelse`s. Pakistan`s claim to Indian territory in the name of Islam is a cruel Joke.

#150 by tahmed32 on March 12, 2003 6:48am PT

[You are so-o-o-o clever in choosing the pig to insult me, knowing I am a muslim. I am so deeply insulted that I am at a loss for words.]

tahmed, you shouldn`t be complaining since you were the one who began it by calling Jay`s ancestors monkeys. However, I apologize if I had indeed hurt your sentiments. It was an inadvertent slip and not an intentional attempt to hit you below-the-belt.

Thanks.

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temporal #147
``bush and company are mirror fundos to obl and am types``

Well I can`t make that comparison. Would you like to live in a country next to a country where obl was in power? Thats Canada according to this comparison..

Today Brian Lehrer on npr talked to one of the Iraqi Kurd province`s Prime Minister.
http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/episodes/current

A level headed man, (for example when asked whether Kurds split between 3 countries deserve a separate nation-state, he said something like `history and geography have been cruel to the Kurdish people. But intead of leading Kurds into a course of action of which the outcome is wholly uncertain, we should accept this harsh fact of history and concentrate on developing our Kurdish society and culture as part of the federal republic of Iraq` (Approximate sense of what he said)).

This man when asked said that Saddam has killed 2 million people in 35 years. (Even if 1 million of those died in I-Iraq war, thats still 1 million people killed among a present population of 19 million?). He also said Saddam would never leave on his own.

My point is lets see all sides of the issue and have a proper perspective here.

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harish #158 I accept your apologies, even though I did not ask for them nor indeed did your reference to pigs in my ancestry bother me one bit, as I hope should be clear from my post. I did find your knee-jerk reference to the pig funny, since it shows you really think that because I am a muslim I would be insulted. Rest assured that I would not be on chowk if personal insults by anonymous writers bothered me. As for Jay, I think the man is beneath ridicule - his single-minded hatred for muslims in particular borders on the criminal in my view, and is totally unacceptable from a financially well off, educated individual that he is.

Trouble with so many individuals on chowk is that you see hindus and muslims and pakistanis and indians (and from your posts, I dont see you doing anything different). You people need to start seeing other posters as human beings first and last, and to respect the feelings they are bound to have for the community (hindu or muslim) that they grew up in. Then you can have some intelligent discussion, otherwise all you get is spitting contests between grown up men.
I am sorry if my posts hurt your feelings, but if I am ready to accept personal insults then I have a right to express my views freely as well.