The New Jews

ahmedzai #46 That was funny. As Shakespeare said ``Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Except in case of Arjun and friends who still rage and cutandpaste 50 years after the event.``
PS: Shakespeare did not live long enough to see this exception to his rule, and so I added that last part to bring things up to date.

sadna #51 Hmmmmm...I thought I was the only tahmed32 on chowk. My mistake. You are obviously addressing the post to some other tahmed32, and pointing out certain deficiencies in what he wrote.
Please give my warm regards to this OTHER tahmed32.

arjun & rsaxena & scout...I see it gives you quite a bit of pleasure to see a few Pakistani/Muslim weaklings whine about the INS and the workings of the US government. In the overall scheme of things all this is irrelevant. Islam has been under attack before and it managed to survive and I am sure it will this time too. Now we might not be around to see that but that is fate and you cannot fight fate friends; no matter how many cruise missiles and daisy cutters are used. So let the weaklings wine and let the self-righteous ones gloat. In the meantime all you Paki bashers call up the INS or the FBI on your suspicios looking ``Paki`` or muslim neighbor i.e. if you already havent done so. Revenge is sweet!

#65 by arjun_m
China is preparing a massive military operation to crush the ``East Turkistan`` separatists in the Xinjiang province with combat helicopters, armored brigades, aerial surveillance drones and bomb-dismantling robots.
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Somebody should tell these Pakis that China loves them because of us.
Let`s now wait for another U turn from Pakistan on the ``muslims being prosecuted`` beaten to death agenda. Let`s see how the ummah reacts.
Maybe Chinese muslims are not muslims. Wonder what will Pervert Mushy do if the Mullahs put xinjiang on the map alog with Palestine and Kashmir ? A Disgusting national obsession that these Pakis have.

SameerJB
//...Indians do not write article such as .... `true, real, actual message of gita, vedas, Adi granth` etc. Why then even [pakistani] people claiming to be moderate keep writing about it....//

My points exactly. In fact, I have seen hardly anybody else in the world wearing religion so out on their collective sleeves. Pakistanis, on the otherhand are just so obscenely obssessed with their muslimness, moderate, mullahs all alike.

Even some other muslims feel disgusted about it. I remember reading a piece about an incident where an OIC delegate who was so overwhelmed with pak`s lectures on Ummah and Islamic identity that he commented ``Pakistanis think Islam was invented on Aug 14th, 1947``.

specifically in chowk - any comment on negativce aspects of Islam immediately brings in a barrage of age-old rhetoric from pakis about how Islam is in danger, Muslims under attack , without any attempt to rationally debate the issues at hand.

It`s not that Islam can`t produce an occasional Dara Shikoh. It`s just that Islamic Aurangzebs will always behead that Dara Shikoh, and will become Heroes of Islam
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Prof. Akbar S Ahmed compares Bhutto with Dara Shikoh and Zia with Aurengzeb. Apparently Zia was the blue-eyed boy of Ronald Reagen, and Bhutto, the `islamic-socialist`, was made `into an example` as per Kissinger`s threat.

So Sameer and n_m_a_s, what makes you guys think that a Dara Shikoh in today`s time wouldn`t have come across as a Socialist? (or atleast a reviled greenpeace guy;-))

#46 by ahmadzai on March 9, 2003 11:54am PT

Now that poor Ahmadzai isn`t able to defend his fellow-Jihadis anymore, he`s resorting to comedy.

tsk, tsk...

To those who feel that Pakistanis at Chowk are Obsessed with their identity and religion:

I think its a glass empty vs glass full question. Pakistanis and Muslims are going through a period of turmoil and unrest (I admit that it is primarily of our own making and we need to stop blaming non-Muslims.) I think it is wonderful that the internet provides us with a medium to express our frustrations, anger and misunderstandings through writing alone. Would you prefer the violent alternative which has been the bane of Islam all this time?

As for Indians not writing about Gita, Ganga, etc., who is stopping them? If you want to write then write. If not, then we are okay with that too. Most articles written on Chowk discuss the problems faced by contemporary Muslims. Very few are openly hostile to India or non-Muslims. Can someone point out even a single sentence in Bina`s article where she is degrading non-Muslims? Has she written a single sentence which is blaming the Hindus or India? Yet, I see Indians attack the author and every other Pakistani discussing her article without being provoked. We did not invite Indians to come here. The audience of Bina`s article is obviously other Pakistanis. We are just trying to debate issues that affect us personally. No one is forcing the Indians to read the articles written for us by us. So we like to discuss our religion at Chowk, so what? We are not going to some completely unrelated site to vent our frustrations. We are just having a debat amongst ourselves. You don`t like it? Too bad. Go elsewhere or don`t participate.

There are people here who refer to Pakistan as Condomistan, Pukistan and stereotype all Pakistanis as madrassah educated Abduls. Then these very same people complain that we don`t get into rational discussions with them.

Its my party and I can cry if I want to.

ahmadzai,

Pakistan has not much choice, it will have to support the US and let us see, it is only another day left. The military has a lot to loose by not supporting the US, the paki abduls, well who cares.

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scout,

``how many Jews and Christians do we see answering the question of `what are you` with a religious identity?``

i was always under the impression that there was a whole discipline of Jewish Studies constructed to answer that question.

Groom 2002 programme



Last July the Pakistan Software Export Board launched a programme, Groom 2002, to promote IT students to the software development industry. For this, they held an entry test and selected 500 students from all over the country. Those selected were sent to various software houses in August 2002 for three-month internship. It was said that for those three months, the PSEB would pay us Rs3,000 stipend a month.

They got our bank account numbers and other required information and said that first month, stipend would be transferred within the next few days. We waited for two months, but later we were informed that we would get the stipend after the completion of our internship (November 2002). After the completion of the internship, we sent them internship completion certificates so that we could get our stipend, but they made us fool and continue to do so till now.

///At last pakistan is focussing on IT education. Well did bina say that pakistanis are visa cheaters, well here is the example of your own govt cheating the young. Take heart, there can be no smoke with out fire, accept what you are and what 50 years of TNT has done to you.

the whole premise is flawed. comparing Muslims to Jews is ridiculous. Jews are a microscopic minority compared to 1 billion plus Muslims. Jews were very good at finance, science and arts. Other than sitting upon world`s oil reserves Muslims have achieved squat on the whole.

#71 Bravo, Adnan Rafiq...well said.

We are facing a tough time in this world simply because within us there is chaos and from the outside we are now the the collective enemy of the freeworld, i guess it had to happen once the red socialist demon had faltered. For the Indians this is perfect timing, I mean the Indian contributors to this site are just raring to be rude and abusive. I am sure a lot of Pakistanis will respond in a similiar manner, but it is another catch 22 of the provocation game. The Indians need to start looking at how irrelevant their own social and political structures are becoming. The Hate mongering against minorities in India is more excessive than anywhere else in the world.

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