The New Jews
Bina Shah March 8, 2003
#97 Posted by Godot on March 10, 2003 6:54:24 am
Re: Sameer, #64
“How often did you hear Bina mentioning Sindhi in any article which is rightfully her proud identity.”
Bina’s proud identity, as it appears from her writings, is Pakistani. She also appears to be a proud Sindhi (which she has mentioned on occasions – that’s how we know about it.) She seems to realize that being a Pakistani and a Sindhi is not mutually exclusive, and also that she is a Pakistani first and a Sindhi second. She does not place undue and excessive emphasis on her ethnicity. She is secure enough to know that identifying herself as a Pakistani does not take away her being a Sindhi. Not only Pakistanis like Bina, but all wise, bright, and sensible people think that way.
“How often did you hear Bina mentioning Sindhi in any article which is rightfully her proud identity.”
Bina’s proud identity, as it appears from her writings, is Pakistani. She also appears to be a proud Sindhi (which she has mentioned on occasions – that’s how we know about it.) She seems to realize that being a Pakistani and a Sindhi is not mutually exclusive, and also that she is a Pakistani first and a Sindhi second. She does not place undue and excessive emphasis on her ethnicity. She is secure enough to know that identifying herself as a Pakistani does not take away her being a Sindhi. Not only Pakistanis like Bina, but all wise, bright, and sensible people think that way.
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#98 Posted by rsaxena on March 10, 2003 7:05:28 am
re: yusafkhan
{Is that because you and others of your ilk (RSS, VHP etc) were instrumental in the rape and murder Indian muslims in Gujarat? }
...maybe he was...but then don`t forget, you and your ilk were instrumental in burning a train load of hindus in gujarat to set it all off...
{Is that because you and others of your ilk (RSS, VHP etc) were instrumental in the rape and murder Indian muslims in Gujarat? }
...maybe he was...but then don`t forget, you and your ilk were instrumental in burning a train load of hindus in gujarat to set it all off...
#99 Posted by sadna on March 10, 2003 7:05:28 am
Sameer, adnan, ahmadzai
Check out Syed Munawar Husain of JeI on PTV:
http://live.pibc.com:7070/ramgen/pv/smil/ptvnews/primetime.smil
He says if you arrest the last 5 ISI chiefs, you will have control over entire Al Qaeda. He says many other things too :).
Check out Syed Munawar Husain of JeI on PTV:
http://live.pibc.com:7070/ramgen/pv/smil/ptvnews/primetime.smil
He says if you arrest the last 5 ISI chiefs, you will have control over entire Al Qaeda. He says many other things too :).
#100 Posted by bat on March 10, 2003 7:57:09 am
alas we find ourselves in an India Vs. Pakistan debate again!
Pakistanis should accept that their govt. and people(and i refer to the extremists here) are seriously warped. Somethign needs to be done about these people who not only preach hatred against nonmuslims but as said before against anyone thats nonwahabi - shias, ahmadiyas,boris,agakhani`s etc ie their fellow pakistanis. And India has its share of extremists too. We are just a minority in our countries.The illiteracy of the masses has further encouraged the fundoos to brainwash them with their flawed theories of jehad etc.its about time we did something.Noone protests the shia killings or the ostrasizing of the ahmedis.we just sit apathetic and despondent
Pakistanis should accept that their govt. and people(and i refer to the extremists here) are seriously warped. Somethign needs to be done about these people who not only preach hatred against nonmuslims but as said before against anyone thats nonwahabi - shias, ahmadiyas,boris,agakhani`s etc ie their fellow pakistanis. And India has its share of extremists too. We are just a minority in our countries.The illiteracy of the masses has further encouraged the fundoos to brainwash them with their flawed theories of jehad etc.its about time we did something.Noone protests the shia killings or the ostrasizing of the ahmedis.we just sit apathetic and despondent
#101 Posted by adnan_rafiq on March 10, 2003 8:11:31 am
ahmedzai: I do learn a lot from the posts of stuka, veeresh, prem and other Indians with a balanced perspective. My last post was in reference to the closet-modis such as jay, arjun, harimau, etc. It seems that every time Pakistanis are trying to be introspective these guys jump in and deliberately start a fire. From that point onward, the whole thing turns into a contest involving mud slinging and name calling.
I never deny the fact that much is wrong with the Pakistani society and how we deal with our religion. However, there are times when I wish that the above mentioned Indians would give us a little space to get some sense of direction. Its one thing to have a rational debate and quite another to simply insult and stereotype Pakistanis in the most crass manner.
I never deny the fact that much is wrong with the Pakistani society and how we deal with our religion. However, there are times when I wish that the above mentioned Indians would give us a little space to get some sense of direction. Its one thing to have a rational debate and quite another to simply insult and stereotype Pakistanis in the most crass manner.
#102 Posted by Tipu on March 10, 2003 9:08:18 am
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#103 Posted by arjun_m on March 10, 2003 9:25:07 am
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#104 Posted by Tipu on March 10, 2003 9:25:07 am
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#105 Posted by rsaxena on March 10, 2003 9:42:41 am
...so what have we concluded after 104 posts on this thread?...indians proved pakistanis are jackasses...pakistanis proved indians are jackasses...the goras think we`re all jackasses....
#106 Posted by Bhitai on March 10, 2003 9:42:41 am
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jayjay
let me repeat what I said earlier, lest you may try putting words in my mouth again. `Their non-violence didn`t help them, till they finally decided to take up militancy`!
no where do you read any blames hurled at the victim here?
frankly speaking you didn`t understand an iota of what I wrote, esp. Iqbal`s line that pointed to Moses`s *active* struggle against tyranny, and a comparion of `laakh hakeems` with `one Kaleem`!
want me to elaborate further, Mr. ex-pakistani?
jayjay
let me repeat what I said earlier, lest you may try putting words in my mouth again. `Their non-violence didn`t help them, till they finally decided to take up militancy`!
no where do you read any blames hurled at the victim here?
frankly speaking you didn`t understand an iota of what I wrote, esp. Iqbal`s line that pointed to Moses`s *active* struggle against tyranny, and a comparion of `laakh hakeems` with `one Kaleem`!
want me to elaborate further, Mr. ex-pakistani?
#107 Posted by Tipu on March 10, 2003 10:52:25 am
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#108 Posted by arjun_m on March 10, 2003 11:31:03 am
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#109 Posted by Tipu on March 10, 2003 11:31:40 am
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#110 Posted by pmishra2 on March 10, 2003 1:03:11 pm
#109 Tipu
So this is the great problem with jews: that some poor rural jews, on immigrating to USA, have difficulty moving forward with their traditions. And that they beat their wives and use physical discipline on their children.
And this is the same as flying planes into building? As praising suicide bombings? As legitimizing mass murder of civilians in the name of `freedom struggle``? As attacking legislatures and parliament buildings with explosive weapons? As issuing fatwas which say anyone who votes will be killed?
All your message proves is that you are unable to understand and function in a democracy. That you feel that the normal struggles of a community, honestly reported, are equivalent to the horrific islamist extremism that infects ``countries`` like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
So this is the great problem with jews: that some poor rural jews, on immigrating to USA, have difficulty moving forward with their traditions. And that they beat their wives and use physical discipline on their children.
And this is the same as flying planes into building? As praising suicide bombings? As legitimizing mass murder of civilians in the name of `freedom struggle``? As attacking legislatures and parliament buildings with explosive weapons? As issuing fatwas which say anyone who votes will be killed?
All your message proves is that you are unable to understand and function in a democracy. That you feel that the normal struggles of a community, honestly reported, are equivalent to the horrific islamist extremism that infects ``countries`` like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
#111 Posted by semipreciousme on March 10, 2003 2:28:41 pm
...bina...good, incisive article...could relate to so much of what you said...
ssdhillon
``A couple of days ago a columnist tore into Richard Pybus wondering why the board hired a jew!!!. ``
...i also hope you happened to read the letters in the mail section lambasting dawn for letting such idiocy go into print...
ssdhillon
``A couple of days ago a columnist tore into Richard Pybus wondering why the board hired a jew!!!. ``
...i also hope you happened to read the letters in the mail section lambasting dawn for letting such idiocy go into print...
#112 Posted by Tipu on March 10, 2003 4:59:22 pm
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