Excavating India

//...If the majority community wants peace, then they should respect the rights enshrined in the Constitution ...//

I am wondering what`s the difference between Shiv Sena and FarzAna. Shiv Sena issues threats against muslims – allegation is that they don`t ‘assimilate’ into the `mainstream`. FarzAna issues threats against hindus – allegation is that they don`t `respect` the minority rights of the Constitution.

As if to take cue from her words - SIMI bombs a train in Mumbai (according to a timesofindia report), a day after the anniversary of 1993 serial bomb last the rocked the city. Six other bombs have been found in Delhi Station. Watch out guys - a new breed of ``Constitutionalists`` have arrived!!! They are ready to kill - to enforce the minority rights of the Constitution which have been so badly violated by the majority community.

If Farzana would have her way - there would be no more flag waving from muslims. No more Muslim faces painted with tricolor. Showing off national symbols is for cowards. No more alliances with secular and liberal forces either - they have done nothing for Muslims. Time form alliances with Dawoods and SIMI, time to create mayhem. You will have to take out the peace from the majority community – only then they will give ‘respect’ to minority rights.

I am thankful that the average muslim in the street knows better. He knows very well - the mullahs and elites, the Bukharis and Farzanas among them. He knows that their venom is what Thackerays and Togadias feed on. He knows that when mayhem starts – Bukharis and Farzanas stay safe in their ivory towers.

But he doesn’t have to listen to them. He will wave the flag, paint tricolor on his face. That’s what takes out the fizz from Togadia’s bottle of venom so conveniently handed to them by Bukharis and Farzanas. He will find his way out of the double yoke put on his shoulders by the Hindu Fanatics and Muslim Fanatics. If that means bursting a few crackers if India wins a cricket match, then so be it. After all – it is his team too and the guys who win those matches are more likely to be a Khan or a Kaif or both.

He knows that – seculars and liberals may not have done much for him, but the elites and mullahs have done even less. And often – they are the ones at the root cause of his misery.

re:#64 by shankar
There are millions of Hindus in India who think Cow is holy. I do not but i do not eat beef out of old habit. You do not either but you say you do eat beef. That is your dietary habit. I have no problems with that. All this still does not change the fact that millions in India consider cow holy. BJP and VHP etc are only taking advantage of an emotional issue.
Sridhar

hamidm,

{{i don`t know why i don`t like the hindoos - there is just something about them ........ they are different and some people say they eat heeng and smell bad and don`t wash up after going to the loo }}

yeah yeah...the people who say that are the people who have a bath only on fridays & use a stone in place of toilet tissue;

the hindoo way--a good WASH of the anal area after a dump with the left hand; then we WASH our left hand with liberal amounts of soap & water & eat ONLY with the right hand. Jezus Christ ..it took me a loooong time to get used to toilet tissue!! A good wash sure as heck beats any..er..``dry cleaning`` method of this shameless , dirty Judeo-Christian Western culture.

well ok; some of our darker bretheren from the deeeep South use the whole right palm to squish sambar rice through their fingers & roll it into a ball before they toss it in their mouths. But c`maaan...nobody`s perfect you know. They just have bad table manners cos they descended from a race called rakshas...but lemme tell you; there is no shortage of good rakshas` in hindu mythology...

Aw shucks, why do i waste my time explaining horrible hindoo culture to a muslim lush like you?!....like you give a rip...ESP when happy hour started 20 mins ago!!

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Ref arjun_m #67

Youu quoted our Impacted Wisdom Tooth

[If he wants to express his personal beliefs, he can tell that to his friends. He is speaking publicly as the PM and responding to accusations in that capacity.]

and replied

[Nope..The PM has every right to air his personal opinions on his culinary preferences...the same way dubya has every right to say in public that he is guided by jesus..]

This is FartsAnna`s usual trick of quoting partially or without specifying the context. Vajpayee was publicly accused by some Congresswallah as one who eats beef and his spokesman replied that Vajpayee would die before eating beef. So this was NOT an instance of Vajpayee dredging up cow slaughter to get at Muslims. But that is not the way our wise friend sees it. And our resident Mullahs lap it up and praise FartsAnna as the Conscience of India.

In fact, the BJP spokesman went on to ask if Sonia Gandhi had stopped eating beef.

It must be really hard for folks like FartsAnna that I am sitting in India and reading the newspapers` print editions and so can refute her as opposed to reading summaries on the web like you guys are forced to.

...it must be burning up the author to see mohammad kaif take india to victory today...i wonder how he would feel knowing that there are people like her spreading poison in the country and asking muslims to cheer for opponents...

...this just in...zaheer khan has agreed to pay for farceanna`s ticket to lahore...if she prefers to fly biniss class, kaif has agreed to pay the difference...

...come on farcey, even indian muslims don`t want you there...you know it is true...

RE: #8 by Urstruly

Urstruly writes:
``This article is an excellent write up on various accounts. First of all it is the writer herself. Speaking the word of truth, when one is the member of a minority community, in a country where state apparatus is used for genocide of minorities, without impunity, in the living daylights, in front of whole world, is a feat itself; a feat that probably only prophets, Socrates, and Mansur Hallaj can muster``


Hmmn, from your reply one would think Farzana Versey is a hindu minority stuck in Pakistan. But ofcourse, she isn`t there, not only would she be oppressed, she would have no voice.

Satire

Farzana ji:-

a) I will request you to please ignore the sexual innuendos and the Paki/Mohajir references as one of the accepted perils of being at chowk.

b) I will request those prodding and reacting to these sexual/religious/geographical etc. innuendos to please consider the simple fact that every time we do so, we continue to play into the hands of those who would love to see us remain backward. As one mail said, we would rather worry about feeding people and trying to stop them from peeing in the streets.

c) Farzana is one of the few people here with the guts to write under her own name. Salute that, to start with, is that asking for too much?

d) Farzana, my insistence on asking Urstuly for his exact position was because I really think that your style and syntax and skills are excellent. But this article, I think, the facts were incorrect. And here is why I think you are off on facts . . . to start with Kashmir was never any sort of effort on anybody`s part to consolidate a Hindu votebank, so any comparision with Ayodhya would be off. If anything, Babri/Ayodhya is a joint venture programme by both Hindu & Muslim ``leadership`` to try to fix votebanks.

e) You are talking about Muslims in India as though they are one strong homogeneous motive force. That is untrue. That is so untrue, but then it is also one of those canards spread so often that people believe it. Psephology is an art not unknown to me, and ``Muslim vote bank``, what is this term, go anywhere near the lower middle class line, and the vote bank is directly related to money as well as booth capturing, and we all know that, long live democracy.

f) You are objecting to the visible efforts of the mass of a community to take advantage of what their Nation offers them, and one of those options is to fly the flag in celebration. That is something I have observed with the lah-di-dah chattering class variety Muslims in India lately, they are really getting worried that garden variety small town lower middle class Muslims in India are simply improving their lot. It has taken us as Indians over 5 decades for the right to fly the flag, as you are aware (thanks to Navin Jindal and his persistence) and I am sorry, I take strong objection to people telling me I cannot fly it or in any other way propagate it. And my reference to the Armed Forces and Muslim participation there is not mischievious, it is a simple fact that across the board better soldiers and officers are coming from ``different`` stratas of life lately, including Muslims, and that again upsets Muslim nobility in India. It is my finding based on actual ground level research that vast numbers of Muslims of both genders in India, especially women, are coming forward to be part of an evolving ``open`` National identity, and that is really REALLY hurting the male dominated so-called Muslim leadership. Why you, Farzana, seem to be falling for this I cannot figure out. That is why I was quizzing Urstruly, if you can appreciate the logic?

g) Why do we keep taking the specific instance of Gujarat only? Why not the 999 unreported flashpoints which got resolved? Because when something gets resolved, it does not make good copy.

h) Magazines and newspapers have put Sai Baba`s little tricks on their front covers, so if one newspaper asked you to go slow,what can anybody say, does it symbolise anything? My question remains unanswered here, though:- compare the general good for society that the Imam Bukhari has done versus Sai Baba? No contest, and you know it, and frankly I don`t particularly care for either of them, OK, but the truth is the truth.

i) It is not possible to pass a law asking for death for cow slaughter in India, just as it is not possible to pass a law asking somebody to stop asking for such a law. Meanwhile, beef is available on the menu in many parts of the country where people want to eat it, and good luck to them.

j) Multi-religious symbols on public locations by the ``lower middle class`` is/are an excellent way of telling the erstwhile nabobs that they are not going to get fooled anymore. The burqa wearing at home but jeans and shirt while in transit and at work perfect English speaking daughter (of an uneducated Muslim taxi driver) working at a call centre is similar, esepcially when she also wears tricolour bangles because so did Mandira Bedi.

k) Climbing the stairs and reaching the first hall in the Jama Masjid, the tourist circuit, anybody can do that. Will you be able to go further, beyond the point that says ``no ladies permitted``?

l) Why do emotions reach fever pitch during India-Pakistan matches (and not during the India-NZ one being played out as I type this)? How do I know, how do I care, it feels good, that`s all. Again, the Muslim upper class in India want to deny their followers the option of feeling good?

m) How things evolve I have seen with the assimilation by democracy in Nagaland, in my own family, within two generations. And I will see that happen in India within the next two, also, and you know what, Farzana, I got a good bet waiting to be taken with you that this one will come from the Muslim women in India who are NOT from the lah-di-dah chi-chi class.

And for that, if you bring up stuff like tri-colours, Ayodhya/Babri or Kashmir to try to rally them, I think, boss, you got to come to visit some of the nurse training colleges and see the increasing number of Muslim girls there as a symbol that the old-money no-work educated Muslims in India have had their run, many of the new ones aren`t bothered about being dragged like sheep anymore.

You want to object to Muslims flying the flag, you do so, it is a free country. My truth is that inspite of bombs in Bombay on the day before Muharam, there is peace and quiet. Beat that?

Re: #50 By Farzana Versey

Farzana writes : ``I have always maintained that Muslims do not have the right leadership, but I do not like the idea of the majority
community telling us who to choose as our leaders.``

...


``And I do think your reference to the Armed Forces in this context is unfortunate. That has nothing to do with symbolism. Please refrain from making such mischievous insinuations``

...

``None. So they talk about a woman`s sexual frustrations for speaking our her mind.``


Well, Farzana how the heck did you get the right to tell the hindus who to choose for their leaders then? Double standards?

And, Veeresh why did you say anything that Farzana may term as ``unfortunate``. Don`t you know only SHE is allowed to voice her opinions. Only, she is allowed to insinuate, make fun of, and ridicule.

Well, Farzana, I find your remarks, about Veeresh`s remarks being unfortunate, as being unfortunate. There is nothing wrong with them. Please refrain from making such mischievous insinuations.

Ohh, and the sexual frustration part! I recall an old article where someone describes the kumbh mela as a testostorone driven madness. I don`t know whose reply this was geared to (wasn`t referenced, can`t read em all) but I guess you seem to have a copyright in describing the sexual state of someone as well.

Satire

Ref FarzanaVersey #53

[So they talk about a woman`s sexual frustrations for speaking our her mind. By this logic, the PM, DPM, Modi, Savarkar, Singhal, Togadia, Jaitley, Shourie are all sexually frustrated.]

The usual expression in the US is that they are men with small penises. You might want to use that.

You are welcome.

Re:#8 By Urstruly

Urstruly writes:
``You ungrateful Indians should be thankful to your bhagwans, that they have blessed you with a living conscience named Farzana.``

Maybe, you are too grateful to your ullah? Please ask him to take you away. Leave earth for some endangered species.

Satire

#s 53, 52 by FarzanaVersey

[Those ``fed up with this kind of whining`` were not dragged here or even specially invited.]

Excuse me...if you have the right to rant, then expect others to differ as well. This is not your `baap ka raj`.

[As for the criminal laws, the minorities routinely get arrested under POTA anyway!]

Instead of leveling absurd charges, could you please provide us with figures? That would be more revealing than paragraphs after paragraphs of the same meaningless crap. If you can`t, you had better shut up.

[If he wants to express his personal beliefs, he can tell that to his friends. He is speaking publicly as the PM and responding to accusations in that capacity.]

Is it illegal to say that in public? In a country where people get away with professing their loyalty to an enemy country, I think this is after all, a non-issue.

[but everyone knows that what the VHP/BD say today, the NDA does tomorrow.]

Again, you are leveling allegations without making any effort whatsoever to back them up with facts and figures.

[India is perhaps the only secular democracy that has to reiterate that it is a Hindu majority state]

That`s perhaps because there are very few secular democracies in the first place.

hamidm: YOu write ``Zeta is fat``. This is too much!! Is nothing sacred anymore. Having bitten the hand that fed you as a child (Pakistan), having ranted about the orrible indoos, you now dare raise your poison pen against that Catherine Zeta Jones of the cutest smile. As Zeta`s great granduncles would have said: Zounds man.

Dr Shridhar,

I agree with most of your opinions.

I do have a major pique about my ``dietary restrictions`` in Hinduism....among other assorted million bs & cowsh*t crapola in my religion.

Hinduism is the PERFECT buffet religion. You eat what you like & ignore the rest. If another hindu doesnt like what I eat, I can, with great authority & lack of fear, say ``screw you; who f*cking died & made YOU a Prophet Or God?!`` Heck, my feminazi wife & daughter have made an ``informed decision`` to pray ONLY to female Godesses:!))

So if I love to eat beef or only non-vegeterian food, despite being a brahmin, I have the RIGHT to eat it---whether I`m in India or anywhere else in the world. Pray tell me , who the F*CK has the right to ``excommunicate`` me from my religion?! If any bhatji or pujari or RSS F*CK gives a ``fatwa`` that I`m not a ``true`` hindu---I`ll fatwa his butt! So, if I have a right to eat it, every other community has the right to eat it!

Hey! if it offends ``your`` sensibilities, I`m sorry! I`m not coming to YOUR house & eating beef, am I? Who the F*CK is the RSS or BJP to tell us what we should eat & what we should NOT eat?!! Ban cow ``slaughter``, because it offends most Hindus?! Anybody who espouses such a law better eat sh*t & die, as far as I`m concerned!

What happens tomorrow if some ``purer`` & ``truer`` Hindu in power starts espousing the virtues of vegeterian food? Will they then pursue a law to ban ``chicken & goat`` slaughter?! How about banning ``egg`` slaughter because some of my Gujju friends would cringe & say ``ssss...paaap lagega!!``?!

Let me make it a little crazier..what if there is a ``Morarji Desai``-like PM, who believes in drinking his own urine; first thing in the morning?! You know, when its most concentrated, full of glucose, ketones, yesterdays marijuana & other assorted ``crap``...You know, Indian politicians are WORLD FAMOUS for giving scientific opinions on just about everything...except that they hardly seem to know anything about running a frikking country!

Do you think there will be a lobby in ``pure`` Hindu political circles; sometime in India`s Hindutva future, that will push for laws about marketting urine?! They are already espousing the virtues of cow urine! Wow, lets run an ad campaign to bottle cow urine. Heck we could even convince the Coca Cola company to add a ``dab`` of cow-pee in Coke to increase market share in India!

When you talk about ``religious`` sensibilities of the majority; you go down a VERY VERY slippery slope, my friend:)

As a fellow brahmin & physician (though janitorial), I admire & applaud your wisdom, opinion & knowledge in MOST areas...(let it NOT be said, henceforth, that I kiss ONLY muslim butt)....I admit it; Tamilians are some of the most intelligent people on earth. However, even in the midst of all that intelligence, there arises a ``weed of idiocy`` in the form of that Tamilian Harimou...``Hinduism ka mashoor pehelwan!!``. Like most of his Hindutva cohorts, he believes an early morning erection is due to pressure from a full bladder--that impinges on nerves--that makes the muscles in the penis contract (you know, according to him, penile anatomy is full of skeletal muscles).

See, if he sticks to Bharat Natyam, he knows what he`s talking about (I THINK!)..But like all these Hindu politicians, he gives idiotic opinions about every other subject, that he knows nether s*it nor shinola about...

Sigh...its because of Hindus like these that I want to become a Parsi....

There are indisputably some very serious points here. I suggest everyone take them seriously before reacting.