Farzana Versey March 13, 2003
#17 Posted by Urstruly on March 13, 2003 1:26:35 pm
vereesh
This article is excellent because it is anti-India and anti-Hindu. Now I said it. Is that what you wanted to hear?
As for facts, here is what a white man wrote. It is almost everything that Farzana has written. May be you have more beleif in a white man than a Muslim minority, desi and worst - a woman.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/5384504.htm
#18 Posted by veeresh on March 13, 2003 1:26:35 pm
Arjun M # 12, in the same vein, presumably everybody who committed murder thought about food atleast once in the 12 hours preceding the deed, so should we all give up eating?
#19 Posted by rsaxena on March 13, 2003 2:19:54 pm
...ok ok ...come on people...let poor farzana have her spotlight on chowk amongst sympathetic pakis....lord knows no indian newspaper (including those run by indian muslims such as mj akbar) will publish her crap...
#20 Posted by bundchungal on March 13, 2003 2:19:54 pm
Your comments are pure, unadulterated, bullshit!!
They bear no merit and have no resemblance to the truth.
They bear no merit and have no resemblance to the truth.
#21 Posted by arjun_m on March 13, 2003 2:19:54 pm
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#22 Posted by Tipu on March 13, 2003 3:27:13 pm
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#23 Posted by ssdhillon on March 13, 2003 3:27:35 pm
Bukhari should be tried for treason. I remeber him inciting a protest against the US before the US bombed the crap out of the Talipigs. This Bukhari dude knows very well that Taliban trained Jehadis in camps to kill Indian soldiers. As far as Sai Baba is concerned he is a fraud. Having said that he belongs to the majority community...that is why the greater importance as cmpared to Bukhari.
If you want Islamic leaders to have the same importance as others consider moving to Pakistan. BTW they are not very fond of Mohajirs either.
#24 Posted by Roshan on March 13, 2003 5:49:33 pm
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#25 Posted by arjun_m on March 13, 2003 5:49:33 pm
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#26 Posted by soysauce on March 13, 2003 5:49:33 pm
Farzana, I`m not sure what exactly you`re advocating that muslims do. I do agree with you that the decision by the lucknow HC is biased & bad. It shifts the standards to some historical proof. By this standard, we should take away land granted to harimau`s great great grand father by some 2-bit raja - land denied to the peasant working it. We should may be return all the land to the adivasis.
#27 Posted by Tipu on March 13, 2003 5:49:34 pm
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#28 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on March 13, 2003 8:32:46 pm
Farzana
All religions are political agendas in the name of God.
And preachers in all religions terrorize the ordinary folks in the name of God.
My humble request to India. Please do not go the way Pakistan went on the religion issue. You have an example as to what a radicalized religion can do to a country.
#29 Posted by ssdhillon on March 13, 2003 8:32:46 pm
#25 by arjun_m on March 13, 2003 5:49pm PT
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Many muslims complain about a clash of civilizations...Why does it become a clash of civilizations? Because muslims in delhi who have very little in common with palestenian/afghan/iraqi muslims come out in huge numbers and protest against the ``atrocities`` on ``palestenian/afghan/iraqi muslims``. Its a clash of civilizations because muslims sometimes make it that way...
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It is strange that the generally moderate Indian muslims protest in favour of Taliban, Osama etc. I can understand the sympathy for palestinians but support for the Taliban and Osama at the cost of their own country??? The blame has to lie on people like Bukhari who misuse their religious powers for political use like issuing fatwas.
I am not suggesting that misuse of religious power is a uniquely muslim problem. Even Sikh and Hindu religious leaders consider themselves no less than Abraham Lincoln.
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Many muslims complain about a clash of civilizations...Why does it become a clash of civilizations? Because muslims in delhi who have very little in common with palestenian/afghan/iraqi muslims come out in huge numbers and protest against the ``atrocities`` on ``palestenian/afghan/iraqi muslims``. Its a clash of civilizations because muslims sometimes make it that way...
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It is strange that the generally moderate Indian muslims protest in favour of Taliban, Osama etc. I can understand the sympathy for palestinians but support for the Taliban and Osama at the cost of their own country??? The blame has to lie on people like Bukhari who misuse their religious powers for political use like issuing fatwas.
I am not suggesting that misuse of religious power is a uniquely muslim problem. Even Sikh and Hindu religious leaders consider themselves no less than Abraham Lincoln.
#30 Posted by veeresh on March 13, 2003 8:32:47 pm
One more thing, Urstruly, wrt your I am anti Indians/Hindus statement . . . this is what the Government of Pakistan says wrt recruitment into the Pakistan Civil Service at http://www.css.com.pk/Rules/rules.html
````iv) A candidate who has married a person who is not a citizen of Pakistan shall not be eligible for appointment provided that a person who marries an Indian national with the prior permission of Government may be regarded as eligible for appointment.````
So now are you telling me that your anti-India/Hindu thing is a personal position, contrary to what the Pakistani Government states?
````iv) A candidate who has married a person who is not a citizen of Pakistan shall not be eligible for appointment provided that a person who marries an Indian national with the prior permission of Government may be regarded as eligible for appointment.````
So now are you telling me that your anti-India/Hindu thing is a personal position, contrary to what the Pakistani Government states?
#31 Posted by ssdhillon on March 13, 2003 8:32:47 pm
#27 by Tipu on March 13, 2003 5:49pm PT
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Bukhari is NOT a leader atleast not like Tagodia or Ashok Singhal who are NOT even a religious leader but failed professional or unemoployed medical doctor .
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Bukhari is a leader in every sense of the word. He even issues fatwas before major elections asking muslims to vote en masse. His word carries a lot of weight....mainly because of the lack of any decent political leadership. Bukhari, Singhal, Tagodia are all leaders. Whether they are fit to be leaders is a different story altogether.
Bukhari will never be charged because people like Farzana will immidiately call it anti-muslim....they will not acknowledge the fact that Bukhari sides with Osama not peace. This is like pakistanis raising pro-Osama slogans in an anti-war(pro peace) rally!!!.BTW even Sai Baba should be charged for defrauding people of money and property not to mention disgusting sexual crimes.
I did not understand the rest of your post including the china part.
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Bukhari is NOT a leader atleast not like Tagodia or Ashok Singhal who are NOT even a religious leader but failed professional or unemoployed medical doctor .
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Bukhari is a leader in every sense of the word. He even issues fatwas before major elections asking muslims to vote en masse. His word carries a lot of weight....mainly because of the lack of any decent political leadership. Bukhari, Singhal, Tagodia are all leaders. Whether they are fit to be leaders is a different story altogether.
Bukhari will never be charged because people like Farzana will immidiately call it anti-muslim....they will not acknowledge the fact that Bukhari sides with Osama not peace. This is like pakistanis raising pro-Osama slogans in an anti-war(pro peace) rally!!!.BTW even Sai Baba should be charged for defrauding people of money and property not to mention disgusting sexual crimes.
I did not understand the rest of your post including the china part.
#32 Posted by veeresh on March 13, 2003 8:32:47 pm
Hello urstruly,
My theory is that if you are anti-Hindu/Indian, then you are also anti-Muslim/Pakistan. Because by being anti-Hindu/India, you are damaging Muslims and Pakistan more than anything else.
So, from your point of view, please help me understand what is anti-India and anti-Hindu? Is it in isolation with Muslims/Pakistan exempted? I mean, there are Muslims who are Indians and Hindus who are Pakistanis, right?
More . . .in view of the definition given, using white men as referees, since we seem to be stuck at that, at http://www.bbc.com? . . . ````The Muslim-majority state of Pakistan occupies an area which was home to some of the earliest human settlements and two of the world`s major religions, Hinduism and Buddhism. The modern state was born out of the partition of the Indian sub-continent in 1947 and has faced both domestic political upheavals and regional confrontations. ````
To my interpretation of the white man`s truth, nothing can make things clearer about Pakistan`s heritage. Why, then, would you be anti-Pakistan?
sincerely,
Veeresh Malik
My theory is that if you are anti-Hindu/Indian, then you are also anti-Muslim/Pakistan. Because by being anti-Hindu/India, you are damaging Muslims and Pakistan more than anything else.
So, from your point of view, please help me understand what is anti-India and anti-Hindu? Is it in isolation with Muslims/Pakistan exempted? I mean, there are Muslims who are Indians and Hindus who are Pakistanis, right?
More . . .in view of the definition given, using white men as referees, since we seem to be stuck at that, at http://www.bbc.com? . . . ````The Muslim-majority state of Pakistan occupies an area which was home to some of the earliest human settlements and two of the world`s major religions, Hinduism and Buddhism. The modern state was born out of the partition of the Indian sub-continent in 1947 and has faced both domestic political upheavals and regional confrontations. ````
To my interpretation of the white man`s truth, nothing can make things clearer about Pakistan`s heritage. Why, then, would you be anti-Pakistan?
sincerely,
Veeresh Malik
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