Observations of an American Expat in Europe

#4 by sadna on March 13, 2003 11:58am PT
What? Pakistani expat donors to jihadi organisations are rednecks? Not a chance, those are people of `principle`.

Please don`t make this out to be a Paki-Hindi issue.
For once get your head out of your bottom and think with open mind.

#11 by sadna on March 13, 2003 2:49pm PT
On the other hand, I heard about JamaatUl Faqra and funding of jihadi organisations by Pakistani expats NOT from any discussions among expat Pakistanis or any expat Pakistani community action against such organisations but from the Western press reports of US govt investigations and convictions related to this organisation.

Please, don`t tell me you believe the western press.
I believe the western press as much as I believe the Indian press:)

John

The threat posed by the radical Islam is real. The sect of `fastest growing religion in the West` was of this radical Islam.

If the 9/11 was delayed for another few years by Osama, the calamity would have been of a far bigger magnitude.

The Americans have correctly identified the problem and the world at large should be grateful to them for having the courage to do something about it.

I am grateful to them because they got Pakistan rid of `Taalibanization`. Our army shows great fire and fury towards the India but has been scared of its own tribal areas & radical Islamists. Probably was in cohoots with them.

So please go through this checking done by the Americans with an open mind. It is good for all of us in the long run. Only the Americans can do such a worldwide massive data management and tracking system.

t,
Who are the rednecks in IDRF? Do you know Vijay and Sarla Prakash and the work they have been doing? I sincerely hope they can sue Biju Matthew type scum for libel in an American court.
regards

#11 by sadna:


`Why would I mention IDRF? Let me point out, you know about IDRF only because of lengthy discussions and exchanges on the subject among Indian expats online and in the streets, discussions which, IMO have been inconclusive..``

---wrong...on several counts:)

``...On the other hand...``

---it is all right to learn...from any and every where...


and yes: ``Amazing.``

:)

rgds,

t

saimashah # 12

``useful idiots``

i believe its from lenin and refers to left-wingers in western countries. Apparently he held them in low regard but found them helpful in propagating a sick ideology.

do you think there is any truth to his quote?

Title is misleading. These are observations by an Asianized-American expat.

re: Stuka

facts are what you make of the world. I see this fact: The future is more important than the past.
There are two ways to deal with an unpleasant fact: One is to accept it, the other is to try and change it. Once you call a bad thing is bad, it becomes easier to change it regardless of which border u reside in. As for passports--they came about because of the creation of nations. they are a fact today but may not remain a fact tomorrow. fact is, things change. Fact is people use different facts to prove their own beliefs. Fact is people are different, fact is people are similar. Facts can be manipulated. What seems like hyperbole to you is a different connect-the-dots for another person.

Even though there is dissent in USA, it seems to be making no impact on the powerful elite in Government. And yes, it is a `fact` that USA has a democratic system of government, it is also a `fact` that the democracy is far from perfect. Dissent alone cannot take the place of Justice. Dissent should make an impact--people in power have to listen for it to work. It seems to many that the US administration isnt listening anymore.

temporal #6
Why would I mention IDRF? Let me point out, you know about IDRF only because of lengthy discussions and exchanges on the subject among Indian expats online and in the streets, discussions which, IMO have been inconclusive..

On the other hand, I heard about JamaatUl Faqra and funding of jihadi organisations by Pakistani expats NOT from any discussions among expat Pakistanis or any expat Pakistani community action against such organisations but from the Western press reports of US govt investigations and convictions related to this organisation.

And in this article the Indian Prime Minister himself is identified as a redneck, in front of whom IDRF is small fish. But you are still not satisfied with the balance in this discussion. Amazing.

I don`t completely agree with the American actions mentioned, but I cannot blame them either.
The Funda Islamists have brought this wrath upon themselves. They are squarely to blame for their situation.
To remove this apprehension the Muslims must redeem themselves by publically distancing themselves from the Funda Muslims and their actions.

Veeresh

C`mon dude :) Nothing I said was personal. Just retorting to some of the rhetoric. Factual arguement sways me and hyperbole irritates me.

#4 sadna:

...you are partially right...a more balanced comment would have included the rednecks in IRDF...:)

...t

I say stuka, for an otherwise decent guy, why are you taking off on today? On Saima?

#4 sadna:

...you are partially right...but tilting...a more balanced comment would have included the rednecks in IRDF...:)

...t

Saima Shah:

``Last I heard All are welcome to read write and think at Chowk--so why should he not talk to the readers of Chowk.``

Erm, when did I say he should NOT talk to them?

`` America WAS the bastion of freedom. Things have changed--slowly but surely over the last decade.``

I see. The past decade? When were the constitutional rights repealed? The recent anti-war marches were expressions of what??? Dissent possibly?

`` People at Chowk are NOT `immigrants` or `xyz` but explorers crossing terrains. Anybody can take to the quest at any time.``

Those ``terrains`` happen to include political boundaries. If the boundary is crossed not to explore but to earn a livlihood, you are an immigrant. Calling yourself fancy schmancy names does not change anything.



``I refuse to be called a `south asian immigrant`. I am a traveller in ideas, space and time. Today I happen to be in Canada. Tomorrow the world beckons. ``

Have fun travelling in space and time. I don`t think most Chowkies have access to time machines or space shuttles. As far as going to different countries is concerned, remember to take your passport. Despite your one world rhetoric, border guards do not take kindly to ``explorers crossing terrains`` if they do not have legal documentation.

What? Pakistani expat donors to jihadi organisations are rednecks? Not a chance, those are people of `principle`.

So how about dangerous rednecks in for instance, the Pakistani Iftekar Gilani and his US organisation Jamat Ul Fuqra( which Richard Reid also had links to) which was firebombing Hindu temples and killing Indians in the US as far back as the early 80s. Nah. A dead Hindu is yesterdays newspaper to wrap the fish in.