Salaam O Rachel* Salaam

temporal: I share your sentiments concerning this young american girl (19 I believe) who stood in front of an israeli bulldozer to try and save a palestinian home from being razed, and lost her life as a result.
Now comes the ``However..`` part:
However:
1. I do suggest we stop trying to rehabilitate the word Jihad. Like the word ``gay``, it has been abused beyond repair by the mullah faggots and no longer means what you (and some other well-intentioned) people try to make it mean: a PEACEFUL struggle for justice, betterment and so forth. Let us lose this small battle to the mullahs, and try to win the bigger battle: saving Islam from being similarly perverted to reflect the hate-filled, irrational minds of maulvis, islamic extremists and suchlikes. And that is best done by focussing on substance (the PEACEFUL VALUES of Islam).
2. I think you dropped the definite article, ``the`` before the US.
Tsk!! tsk!! (once again).

one more link with pictures (thanks anNy)

http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=1866&CategoryId=23

and her last letters (thanks aamir)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,916299,00.html

The most peaceful way to react to this will be to crush Bush with a bulldozer.

I wouldve loved the word Jihad if the alQaeda had directed all the planes to whitehouse.

Its sad barbarians rule both sides of the globe.

I am absolutely disappointed with American people. I think Rachel just tripped and fell in front of a bulldozer. I dont think that they are capable of any noble deed.

temporal:it``s really touch my heart.evil bush would face the same fate.

Urstruly #4:

I suggest you take a look at the following URL`s,already suggested by temporal in his first post.

photo essay

http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=1866&CategoryId=23

letters

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,916299,00.html

Secondly,I don`t think we should generalize our opinions and say that all americans are evil, just like most of them think of us. Even if your disappointment was just directed to WASP Americans! We have to be different and more balanced/logical in our approach,reasoning,thinking and expression.

You,Urstruly, would(should!) know better.

#2 Tahmed32

I entirely agree with your observation. Let us just treat things as good, bad, honest and so on ; and not give a religious slant to it.

I wonder if you watch ARY TV. There are two nuts there PJ Mir and Dr. Masood - both anchors. And they are still talking about the Islam-Kufr jung in case of Iraq whereas the entire world has expressed its outrage against the attack.

It is the thought that counts very much here.

The silence thus far has been painful.


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Some time one is not clear about political poems.Good poem should be spiritual distilation (spiritual cookong), stanzas should be such way there rythum or rhyme and it should touch mind like when beeautiful smiles and you feel slicing you kaleja. I can not comment about content of political theme. I am looking as technician of this political industrial strength tear jurking poetry. Its flop to say most charitable. Recently Ms. Sarwarri had written poerty ( I felt both prose and poerty as consrustion of poem was too crude just like that. It did not feel no poerty no prose some strange animal). But things have changed now a days if poem has rythum it considered backward. Abstract work, revolutionary words . I have even heard to write good poerty good strong coffee and tea helps. I have no experience.
Experience of any body is unique. We in karachian have lost reverence for death and murder. Danny was slaughtered but most are so bad they said all this ``tamasha`` of poem writing for getting good marks in american books. Its possible once so many like shias peacefully in immambarga are slaughter soon we loose sense and we never wright poertry as we do not reserve. Or Mohajir or sindhi in slaugheter in hyderbad can not be , or slaughter by rangers of Mohajirs or drilling by Mohajirs to repair knees or slaughter of women by sindhis for honor do not lead to poerty. As who bothers for poor dirty Mohajirs, sindhis and their killings. ( I am not bringing the plight of biharis or bengali slaughter by our own people) . I am 55 years. I many times get ashamed of young expaks immorality or selective morality in poetry. We are cursed with stone heart about our own people and and soft hearted about slaughter of Americans, Palestanians etc. I work with good guests. I will give example. How we treat our own People.
I met a young american person in our hotel who was student from texas of petroleum. He said he wants data for PhD work. I asked him what reserch he is doing in pakistan. He told me he wants data about some geology or some thing like that. After few days he returned and said vey highly of helping him.
But he said some thing which was eye opening.He said his professor ( EXPAK) could not get any data as our gelogy dept said its secret data and asked crudely get out. So llok how our people treat us.
I hope this will go away when you become expak as then you loose all fear about gora and arab log. As i am told all expak man are having lots of white girls friends. ( They give all conquests and describe details and I literally literally die my hearts gives away just by being so unfortunate struck up in Karachi in airconditioned hotel, As my manager consoled that all in fate) I wonder do expak young girls have many white boy friends must why not? Any way some are lucky dags.
I am in process of written some poerty in Punjabi about Karachi, its violence and heat and Humidity and slow death through when you travel through steaming Busses and through that hell also romance going including bottom pinching and malir water, braeking daabheji pumping plant, quota system so ham brained Punjabi and sindhis can keep mohajirs down. All are 24 poems. They have nice Rhyme. But If I translate in english all charm will be gone. Shah waris or Ghalib all have nice rhyme.

Due to this reason up to now all poems published are not successful as they do not pass minimum requirements. My feeling no Desi can write good poetry in English as Deshi may smoke or drink but still he can not be real white same way. I did not like poem as ther is no POETRY in that.

nazarhayatkhan #7 in the post i just sent, i should have written ``positive correlation`` between rationality and GNP per capita, NOT negative.

nazarhayatkhan #7 I dont think I have seen ARY TV, and from what you describe - two gentlemen discussing islam-kufr jang - looks like I dont need to hurry and watch it either.
This tendancy to think in broad generalizations (in this case, seeing everything in the context of a struggle of competing religious ideologies) is I think a fairly accurate indicator of an individuals intellectual and e emotional capacity. Kind of like an IQ (intelligence quotient) and EQ (emotional quotient) test combined in a single test which we may call the RQ (rationality quotient).
I think one need not do a PhD study to determine that there is a negative correlation between the RQ and GNP per capita. And thus we have ``educated people`` from third world countries talking in meaningless generalities, like the two gentlemen on ARY TV you mentioned. And, in case of muslims and hindus too, as one can see on chowk, in religious terms. Hopefully, over time rationality levels will rise with the spread of education in our societies.

last three stanzas are great...

re T:

Just heard the news that an another American peace activist was shot and wounded by Israeli forces near Nablus...

O` the ingratitude!

Ciao

Yes, we indians have good experience of your jihadis. We understood full well your attitudes. Ehud Barak had to learn and understand it first hand: now you have Sharon, a person at exactly your level to deal with.

As for this misguided person, who chose to insert herself in the middle of a civil war, well, its a sad story. Is it as sad a story as the hundreds of israeli civilians MURDERED by your jihadi friends??? I don`t think so.

ooops, I forgot, only muslims have any suffering in this world. Everyone elses suffering is irrelevant and even appropriate. Especially jews/hindus/kafirs etc. What can these inferior sub-humans expect?

ugh, what a stench ! It must the hypocrisy and self-righteous oozing out of this article....


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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20D14F6395B0C758CDDAA0894DB404482

Suicide Bombing on Bus in Israel Leaves 15 Dead

City bus in Haifa, Israel, is torn to shreds by Palestinian suicide bombing; at least 15 passengers are killed, including school children, and more than three dozen others are wounded; survivors say passengers on bus were cross-section of diverse city: children and elderly people, Jews and Arabs

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0716FE3D5A0C738DDDAA0894DB404482

Argentine Judge Juan Jose Galeano orders arrest warrants for four Iranian government officials for allegedly helping organize and carry out 1994 bombing of Jewish community center in Buenos Aires that left 85 people dead

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1974009.stm

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has cut short a visit to the United States after a Palestinian suicide bomber killed 15 people and himself near the Israeli city of Tel Aviv.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0lu70

19 people were killed and 74 injured - six seriously - in a suicide bombing at the Patt junction in Jerusalem. The bus, which was completely destroyed, was carrying many students on their way to school. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

http://www.ict.org.il/spotlight/det.cfm?id=665

A suicide bomber detonated a large bomb at a busy train station in the northern Israeli town of Nahariya. The bombing at shortly after 10:50 this morning has so far claimed three lives, though there was some confusion as to whether the count included the suicide bomber. Thirty-one people were reportedly injured.

This is Mullah Speak at it`s best:

``I am absolutely disappointed with American people. I think Rachel just tripped and fell in front of a bulldozer. I dont think that they are capable of any noble deed. ``

The above statement is the most honest portrayal of what the Palestenian Hamas supporters think of the US. They are the same who danced on the streets on the 11th of September. How tragic that naive
( and I cannot think of another more appropriate word) Americans are endangering their lives for such scum.