War and Terror

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CRIME AND JIHAD,

Pakiatan society supports jihad, it has legetimised the killing of non-innocent kafirs in the promise of heaven and 72 houris, as evidenced by the pak wide operation of laskers. This notion of jihad is essentially killing for gain, albiet after death.

Many complain that crime has grown rapidly all through pakistan, it is highest in karachi, the same area where jihadic killings are also the most. Car jacking and crimes for real life gains are only a step away from the the jihadic gains, the posthumas variety.

This increase in crime is an indication that pak society is in a reansition. Along with the support for jihad, pakistan should enforece the full range of islamic punishments, mainly the chopping of hands and the quick disepersion of justice. On one side pakistan has the decadent brisitsh system of eveidence and jusriprudence, combined with support for jihad. This has created the split personality of the pak society, on one hand they complain abou increae in crime, but they have no hesitation inn supporting jihad.

Now tahmed, you could never have read such an interpretation in any pak news paper, now cll me a hate monger.

Pardaisi,

Indian IT exports this year will be 8 billion dollars, same as that of all of pakistan. The capital base for this export is the human capital, the outcome of the education focus and investment in education. In fifty years this is what india has achieved.

This week 200 pak prisoners will be coming back from aghnaistan. Afew have come back from kanya, a lot more are still in kashmir. Four pakistanis came back in a hijacked indian aircraft. These are also outcome of pak education system. Regular teachers have been sacked so that children could go to madrassas. Focus is on jihad. Organistaions like laskers are widely supported. In both countries focus is on education, in one it is focussed on killing and securing their citizens 72 houris.

tahmadism,

Tahmed and pardesi are the quentisential tahmeadism. Thses men primarily indulge in attacking the messenger, by denigrating them so that the criticism of pakistan does not sink into the other pakistani readers.

These accuse me of hatefilled posts. Most of my posts follow a standard format, I take an event from pakistan, and interpret it based on a social value. I do believe that this is very important. With out understanding the motives, the driving force behind it, one cannot understand the phenomenon.

Take the example of two people, rapdly closing their eye lids, in one it is an involuntary twitch, for the other it is a conspiratory signal. The difference between the two, phenomenologically identical event is worlds apart.

When I say that the crimes and car jiacking of karachi are the outcome of jihad, I am called a hate monger so that the pther pakistanis can devalue the insight of my post.

It is tahmadism that is the bane of pakistan, that blinds the pakistanis, and unfortunately it is the educayed ilks of tahmed who are putting this blind on others.

JAYeh!

How are you today? I hope you took your medicine and feeling good today. Like I said try to be happy and everything will be fine (with Pakistanis) stoop worrying about them you have a bigger issue on your hand ``Your Health``

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The horrors of war create even more problems.

A bomb, whether sattellite guided or dumb or in a car is still a bomb.

American, Iraqui or terrorist origin, one is not better than the other.

They all kill.


Ras

WAR ON LIFE,

In every nook and corner of pakistan there are posters for jihad. Collection boxes are in every mosques. Lasker meeting is the most well attended muslim function in the world bar hajj. All kinds of organisations operate in pakistan to support jihad, some are coloured as charity organisations, but they support only the shaheed families. Shaheed foundation is a govt organisation to support the shaheeds. With all this funding and popular support for jihad in pakistan, it is natural that the people demand results, proof.

In the past two days there were six news items in dawn alone on the killing of pundits in pakistan. just asking....why.

Iraqis bomb their own market! Everyone knows Iraqis will do anything to embarrass America, but to kill their own innocent people is reprehensible. In days to come we will find Iraqis slaughtering other residents of Baghdad so American can be blamed.

I hope those defending Iraqis will see that these Arabs are not worth defending. They kill their own women and children just to defame the U.S.

Where are the shameless propagandists who claimed ``half a million`` iraqi civilian casualties?? Hiding in your holes and trying to come up with new lies no doubt.

It is clear that US and Britain forces have accepted casualties to avoid civilian deaths. And that the whole model has been constructed around sparing the civilians. But, heh, why bother with facts ! it is so much easier to spout propaganda about dying iraqi children and blame it on the US. Not so easy to remove mass murderer Saddam from power.

#10 by ahmadzai

I should applaud pakis for their incredible sense of imagination of conspiracy theories ..... Jewish conspiracy of 911, hindu conspiracy of Indian parliament attack etc etc. Even the paki cabbie spouted such crap on my recent trip to NYC.

`` But the killers of poor Kashmiris in Indian occupied Kashmir have not come out in public saying that they did it in the name of liberating some people. In fact no body has taken the responsibility for doing this inhuman act. Therefore, this is a worst form of terrorism.

IMHO, this could very well have been done by Indian military / para-military to tarnish the freedom struggle of Kashmiris. India does appear to be guilty party, because: ``

and whatelse .... Indian govt staged parliament attack, kargil attack, shot at girls wearing jeans in Kashmir, threw acid on the girls not wearing burqa, etc etc...



`` That too is an act of terrorism, because an over-whelming majority of people across the globe from all religions and ethnic groups has declared it so. So there is no disagreement on it. ``

Sorry bro.... no brownie points to you for not mentioning 911 jewish conspiracy here.

I have read editorials and opinion pieces for a long time in pakistani newspapers. They all suffer from the things: a lack of depth (very superficials) and often hyperventilating. My pakistani brothers and sisters read the following from the Indian Press

From TOI
America`s Endless War
http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=41388047
quote 1
But this war is about more than just oil: It is about cementing the domination of the US in a world that is likely to undergo fundamental economic and strategic changes in the next few decades. This strategy goes back to the 1990s, when the Clinton administration adopted a national security document explicitly built around the objective of preventing the emergence of rival powers. Through a combination of containment, co-optation and IMF condi-tionalities, China, Russia, France-Germany, India, Japan, Korea and Indonesia have all been kept in check thus far.

quote 2
Today, as the Franco-German axis of opposition to the Iraq war demonstrates, the fissures between Europe and the US run deep. It is no mere coincidence that the continent of Asia, whose economy is set to grow the fastest in the coming years, is also where all of America`s `rogue states` or potential `rogue states` are. The terrorists who executed 9/11 gave the US the opportunity to insert itself militarily into the very heart of Central Asia, where oil and gas reserves rival those of West Asia.


from outlook
Weapons Of Mass Delusion
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20030331&fname=Column+Prem+%28F%

These and other articles make interesting reading. There appears to be some depth and objectivity. The hyperventilating postures seen in The News, The Nation etc seem to be mising. The closest is the Dawn.
Well, what can I say - those who cannot see the writing on the wall are the ones who suffer the most.

bundchungal at # 5

You wrote:
``Your above statement is nothing but crap. No one, or people, can justify the killing of innocent persons (men, women, or children) as a war of liberation. This is the type of cowardly actions that is being performed and supported by the Pak govt. A recent example of such barbarism is the killing of innocent Hindus in J&K. ``

But the killers of poor Kashmiris in Indian occupied Kashmir have not come out in public saying that they did it in the name of liberating some people. In fact no body has taken the responsibility for doing this inhuman act. Therefore, this is a worst form of terrorism.

IMHO, this could very well have been done by Indian military / para-military to tarnish the freedom struggle of Kashmiris. India does appear to be guilty party, because:

1. It does not allow neutral observers in the valley
2. It does not allow international media to enter the valley
3. It does not allow 3rd party or even joint India-Pakistan monitoring of the LOC.

That the US and the West may not agree to above guilt due to economic interests is another issue.

You also wrote:
``Similarly, no amount of justification can make acceptable the actions of Al-Qaida on Sept 11, 2001. Terrorism can never be justified. It is a crime on humanity and its perpetratiors should be treated as murderers. ``

That too is an act of terrorism, because an over-whelming majority of people across the globe from all religions and ethnic groups has declared it so. So there is no disagreement on it.

I am referring to situation where there is a disagreement between people calling an attack as terrorism and people calling the same event as a war of liberation.

An ideal situation to analyze is current US-Iraq war. Americans are calling it a war of liberation, whereas since innocents are suffering too, a majority is questioning this stance.

There is an uneasy feeling in Pakistan about this self-rightous good guy who wants to fix up the shady characters. Whose number is next?

If the successive Pakistani Governments did not listen to voices of intelligentsia, they better do some thing now before it is too late.

We delayed our dumping of the Talibaans.
We delayed our tightening the noose around Jehadis.
We have already delayed Democracy.

Now, they better not delay on the following:

Mussharaf sheds off his military uniform and let Jamali have the real power.
If there is any cross-border terrorism, eliminate it.
Open the airspace to the Indian Flights.
Offer talks & Normalize relations with India.

Footage on various channels shows Iraqi civilians passing by US tanks as if it were a school bus. More traffic on Baghdad streets than on a normal day in Gujranwala. People actually going out to city after breakfast to see blown up govt buildings. If anyone is in fear it is the internet jihadis that another one of their herrows might fall.

There were mainly 3 objectives of this war from US pov.
1) Regime change with end and control of any WPDs that he might have or have in future.
2) Free Iraqis from Sadam`s cage in the process (and get some brownie points)
3) Have better control on the geopoltical situation for economic benefits.

There is no doubt in my mind that first one will be achieved. It must be achieved if US has to have any credibility to stand up to tin-pot dictators in future. Third objective will also be achieved..but only partially.

What is interesting is the 2nd one. If Iraqi people really stood by Sadam until the last moment and stayed hostile to US even after Sadaam falls then the lession is clear. Buy the dictators in muslim world and give ummah what it likes....fauji boot in green color with Islam written on it. They would have proven they deserve it.
Hopefully that won`t happen. Iraqis will speak up once Sadam and his handimen are removed from the scene completely. Until then it is probably wise and safe for them to stay put. Afterall they did have a bad experience 12 yrs ago. US is paying the price of that now. If it does something similar again, price will be even higher next time.

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