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#50 Posted by pmishra2 on March 27, 2003 1:29:19 pm
#46 Ralph
People whose culture is destroyed through backwardness and colonialism become convinced that all important things take place elsewhere. They even fail to feel their own pain !!! Other`s pain becomes more important, especially if the ``other`` falls into a special class which some authority figure considers important.
Left-wing and much of the media in India exemplify this completely. Many of these are well educated and have travelled etc. But for them the pain of the indian people, whether in the 20% of the indian population that still lives on $1/day or the monstrous terrorism and loss of life in North India is not important !!! What is important is being part of some ``important`` international movement. This gives them dignity and importance. Nothing about india is important to them, it is all a natural consequence of caste and hot climate and whatever....
I grew up in Calcutta which is the exemplar of this kind of mindless self-hatred. I cannot tell you how many demonstrations I have seen in support of this or that soviet/chinese inspired ``international issue``. The Iraq issue provides the same kind of fatal fascination and self-image boost to our so-called leftish intellectuals. And people want to know why the BJP is doing well???
People whose culture is destroyed through backwardness and colonialism become convinced that all important things take place elsewhere. They even fail to feel their own pain !!! Other`s pain becomes more important, especially if the ``other`` falls into a special class which some authority figure considers important.
Left-wing and much of the media in India exemplify this completely. Many of these are well educated and have travelled etc. But for them the pain of the indian people, whether in the 20% of the indian population that still lives on $1/day or the monstrous terrorism and loss of life in North India is not important !!! What is important is being part of some ``important`` international movement. This gives them dignity and importance. Nothing about india is important to them, it is all a natural consequence of caste and hot climate and whatever....
I grew up in Calcutta which is the exemplar of this kind of mindless self-hatred. I cannot tell you how many demonstrations I have seen in support of this or that soviet/chinese inspired ``international issue``. The Iraq issue provides the same kind of fatal fascination and self-image boost to our so-called leftish intellectuals. And people want to know why the BJP is doing well???
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#48 Posted by Urstruly on March 27, 2003 1:29:19 pm
A PRAYER FOR IRAQI CHILDREN
The English translation of the title of this poem is Idols will taunt that Muslims have no God . This is a poetic version of the prayer that our Holy Prophet (pbuh) prayed just before the first battle with the Meccan invaders. On one side he was leading a ragtag army of 313 men, who didn`t even had a decent meal in the past 10 years, and on the other hand there was an invading cavalry of 1000 strong men. Among the column of those 313 believers, there were two children standing on their toes, stretching to the maximum height, so that Holy Prophet would choose them as adult fighters. But when Prophet refused those 11 and 13 year old brothers, they started crying. Our Prophet could not see their tears and allowed them to stay if they promised to stay in the back. But the destiny had the plan of its own. The commander of the invading army, Abu Jehl, who in his arrogant pride thought that he would crush those Muslims like insects that day, was about to die at the hand of those two little ones.
And just before the battle started, Prophet (pbuh) said the following prayer:
Muslim ka Khuda koi nahiN
Aah! jaati hay falak par reham laanay kay liyay
Baadlo hat jao day do, rah jaanay kay liyay
Ay doaa haaN arz kar arsh-e-ilahi thaam kay
Ay khuda ab phair day rukh gardish-e-ayyam kay
Dhoondtay haiN ab mudawa sozish-e-gham kay liyay
Kar rahe haiN zakhm-e-dil faryaad, marham kay liyay
Rehm kar apne nah aaeen-e-karam ko bhool ja
Ham tujhe bhoolay haiN, too ham ko nah bhool ja
Khalaq kay randay hooay, dunya kay thukrayay hoo-ay
Aayay haiN ab teray dar par haath phailayay hoo-ay
Khuwaar haiN, badkaar haiN, doobay hoo-ay zil`lat maiN haiN
Kuch bhi haiN, laikin teray mehboob ki ummat maiN haiN
Haq parastoN ki agar ki diljoee nahiN
Ta`ana daiN gay bu`t keh Muslim ka Khuda koi nahiN
#47 Posted by dost_mittar on March 27, 2003 1:29:19 pm
The U.S media (barring exceptions like PBS) are doing a great disservice to Americans by not explaining to their audience what`s REALLY happening in Iraq and what are the long-term risks for the U.S and, indeed, the world of what the coalition of the ``willing`` is doing there. It`s time that the Americans learn that the Iraqis, even those opposed to Saddam, are not waiting to dance in the streets when the ``liberating`` troups come. The people of Basra came out on the streets in 1991 when the Americans liberated Kuwait because they saw it as an opportunity to rebel against a tyrant; things are different this time, they view Americans are agressors against their motherland and the Arab honour is at stake. Basra, I think, is only the first of the surprises in store for the ``liberators``.
Urstruly:
Thanks.
Urstruly:
Thanks.
#46 Posted by dost_mittar on March 27, 2003 1:29:18 pm
Ralph#45
This is indeed a valid point. People here who are so vociferous when the victims are muslims become tongue-tied or indulge in only mealy-mouthed protests when the victims are non-muslims. Indeed, some of them go on to make preposterous claims. For example, I am waiting for someone to claim that these Kashmiri Hindus were killed by Raw agents to give a bad name to the Kahmiri freedom fighters.
This is indeed a valid point. People here who are so vociferous when the victims are muslims become tongue-tied or indulge in only mealy-mouthed protests when the victims are non-muslims. Indeed, some of them go on to make preposterous claims. For example, I am waiting for someone to claim that these Kashmiri Hindus were killed by Raw agents to give a bad name to the Kahmiri freedom fighters.
#45 Posted by Ralph on March 27, 2003 11:07:45 am
Sadna, Shanakar
Take a look at how the culture of hyperventilating complaining is used to subjugate passive and accommodating groups. All of us are shedding tears for Saddam and Iraqi children. World wide fury has been manufactured. When a few people are killed, words like genocide was thrown around. Poems are written. Lullabys are sung. Children are handed guns to kill their `oppressors`.
The following will be merely a footnote. There will be no similar anger. No one will write poems or sing songs. No housewives will pen lullabys. The cause of Iraq is made more important for India than the cause of India for Indians. The aggressors will then proclaim morality to define this as the just state of affairs.
From being a liberal, I have come to believe that one-sided liberalism is an irrational, morally bankrupt doctrine that will only lead to much much more bloodshed in the future.
Isn`t there something really wrong when the following will hardly register in India as liberal Indians are led to rally in defense of Iraqis?
The Rediff Special/Basharat Peer in Nadimarg
Sorrow, fear rule over Kashmir
March 27, 2003
``Enter with your shoes on, there is no one left to stop you,`` a hysterical youth surrounded by a group of wailing women shouts from a barely lit room.
In the courtyard of this mud-and-brick house there are more men and women, all crying. Nine occupants of this house were among the 24 persons -- men, women, children -- who were lined up in a neighbour`s courtyard and sprayed with bullets by militants on Sunday night.
Every house in Nadimarg, a tiny hamlet in Pulwama district inhabited by only Kashmiri Pandits, is grieving.
Nadimarg had just lulled itself to sleep on Sunday night when armed men in fatigues knocked on the doors. The villagers took it for an army search operation, though search operations in this village were rare and never so late in the night.
The gunmen asked the villagers to gather in the garden of a migrant Pandit`s deserted house. The assassins then showered bullets on them.
Two days later, the remnants of that Hitleresque act lie littered around the village -- Lassa Koul`s crutches, a plastic shoe, a blue woollen cap, a pair of sleepers, crushed chinar leaves smeared with blood, an impotent sandbag bunker.
Beyond the killing field, now swarming with soldiers in bulletproof jackets, a dusty track leads to the heart-rending wails of men and women.
``They killed everyone here!`` the disconsolate youth repeats. ``Nobody will tell you to take off your shoes now!`` His reference to the Kashmiri practice of taking one`s shoes off before entering a drawing room is poignantly melodramatic.
``Sushma would sleep here,`` a girl cries, throwing herself on the unfolded bedding.
The wailing girl is Shehnaz Akhter, the angry boy is Bilal Ahmad. They were with Sushma just hours before she was killed along with her father.
The three had walked the unpaved, dusty paths of their villages, shared their small joys and little secrets. ``She was my best friend, my sister,`` says Shehnaz, tears rolling down her cheeks.
Sushma worked with Shehnaz`s sister as an Integrated Child Development Scheme worker. Shehnaz and her sisters would accompany Sushma on her trips to nearby towns and walk her back home. ``We would spend most of the time together,`` Shehnaz says.
Sushma`s was one of the nine Hindu families that had refused to migrate from Nadimarg in the early 1990s despite militant threats and that had made their Muslim friends very protective of them.
Though survivors of Sunday night`s massacre like Pran Nath Bhat, who lost his mother, brother, and a nephew, speak of it as ``unthinkable``, talk of death had been a part of the lives of the residents of this semi-pastoral village for a long time. Similar massacres in the past and the helplessness of the majority Muslim community in protecting their friends had played on their minds.
Shehnaz, Sushma and Bilal would often talk of an unseen death. Sushma would confide her fears, her insecurity and vulnerability, to her friends. ``We would tell her we will be your shield,`` sobs Shehnaz. ``If a bullet comes your way, we will take it. But the day it happened, we could not keep the promise.``
Bilal finds it hard to keep his composure for long. In his hysteria he refers to his discussions on Sufism and Hinduism with Sushma`s paramedic father. ``Daddy [Sushma`s father] would tell me about satsangs [devotional congregations] and Shaivism. I would talk to him about Islam. He was like my father and they killed him,`` he says.
On the Saturday preceding the massacre, Sushma had spent the night at Shehnaz`s house. The girls had chatted the night away. Sushma seemed to have had a premonition of death. ``She was very scared and told us some armed men were spotted near her house,`` recalls Shehnaz. ``We were worried, but we told her to talk about good things, like her cousin Vijay`s marriage.``
Vijay Bhat, 27, a teacher, had left for Jammu a week back to shop for his marriage. He returned to light his family`s funeral pyres.
In the courtyard of his house, his friends and acquaintances from neighbouring villages console Vijay. Lying on a grass-mat, two Muslim youths plead with him to take some tea.
``They could have burnt my house down, taken away every valuable. But they took all the lives, they did not spare
a single person,`` Vijay sighs.
Vijay studied at the government college in Anantnag. He has several Muslim friends and students. The massacre, however, has left him with nothing. ``What do I stay here for?`` he wonders. ``I never wanted to leave, but now I have to.``
The government`s promises of increased security in villages inhabited by the Pandits do not mean anything to Vijay; nor do the tears, the grieving faces of his neighbours. The frenzied slogans raised after every death in Kashmir sound hollow too.
The helplessness of the situation was evident in the words of Deputy Prime Minister Lal Kishenchand Advani, who visited Nadimarg on Tuesday. On the one hand he promised assistance to those wanting to migrate; on the other, he said migration of Pandits from the Kashmir Valley would be like playing into the enemy`s hands.
The Muslims, though grieving with the Pandits, seem reluctant to come out in the open with their protest. ``We want all this to stop,`` says Vijay`s friend Tufail Ahmad, a teacher. ``Every person you will talk to will tell you how they hate these massacres, but nobody wants to stick his neck out. Even the most secured politicians are using carefully chosen words to react to the situation. It is fear that keeps the Kashmiri Muslims indoors.``
His words are heard everywhere in Kashmir. The condemnations have come pouring in, not just from mainstream parties and separatists, but even from ultra-Islamist parties like the Jamaat-e-Islami Kashmir and Jamiat-e-Ahli Hadees. But all they have is sympathy.
As far as the Pandits are concerned, they see no option but to move out of the valley. ``We are in a state of shock,`` says Pran Nath Bhat, ``but we will decide soon.``
Vijay Bhatt has made up his mind already.
The Rediff
Take a look at how the culture of hyperventilating complaining is used to subjugate passive and accommodating groups. All of us are shedding tears for Saddam and Iraqi children. World wide fury has been manufactured. When a few people are killed, words like genocide was thrown around. Poems are written. Lullabys are sung. Children are handed guns to kill their `oppressors`.
The following will be merely a footnote. There will be no similar anger. No one will write poems or sing songs. No housewives will pen lullabys. The cause of Iraq is made more important for India than the cause of India for Indians. The aggressors will then proclaim morality to define this as the just state of affairs.
From being a liberal, I have come to believe that one-sided liberalism is an irrational, morally bankrupt doctrine that will only lead to much much more bloodshed in the future.
Isn`t there something really wrong when the following will hardly register in India as liberal Indians are led to rally in defense of Iraqis?
The Rediff Special/Basharat Peer in Nadimarg
Sorrow, fear rule over Kashmir
March 27, 2003
``Enter with your shoes on, there is no one left to stop you,`` a hysterical youth surrounded by a group of wailing women shouts from a barely lit room.
In the courtyard of this mud-and-brick house there are more men and women, all crying. Nine occupants of this house were among the 24 persons -- men, women, children -- who were lined up in a neighbour`s courtyard and sprayed with bullets by militants on Sunday night.
Every house in Nadimarg, a tiny hamlet in Pulwama district inhabited by only Kashmiri Pandits, is grieving.
Nadimarg had just lulled itself to sleep on Sunday night when armed men in fatigues knocked on the doors. The villagers took it for an army search operation, though search operations in this village were rare and never so late in the night.
The gunmen asked the villagers to gather in the garden of a migrant Pandit`s deserted house. The assassins then showered bullets on them.
Two days later, the remnants of that Hitleresque act lie littered around the village -- Lassa Koul`s crutches, a plastic shoe, a blue woollen cap, a pair of sleepers, crushed chinar leaves smeared with blood, an impotent sandbag bunker.
Beyond the killing field, now swarming with soldiers in bulletproof jackets, a dusty track leads to the heart-rending wails of men and women.
``They killed everyone here!`` the disconsolate youth repeats. ``Nobody will tell you to take off your shoes now!`` His reference to the Kashmiri practice of taking one`s shoes off before entering a drawing room is poignantly melodramatic.
``Sushma would sleep here,`` a girl cries, throwing herself on the unfolded bedding.
The wailing girl is Shehnaz Akhter, the angry boy is Bilal Ahmad. They were with Sushma just hours before she was killed along with her father.
The three had walked the unpaved, dusty paths of their villages, shared their small joys and little secrets. ``She was my best friend, my sister,`` says Shehnaz, tears rolling down her cheeks.
Sushma worked with Shehnaz`s sister as an Integrated Child Development Scheme worker. Shehnaz and her sisters would accompany Sushma on her trips to nearby towns and walk her back home. ``We would spend most of the time together,`` Shehnaz says.
Sushma`s was one of the nine Hindu families that had refused to migrate from Nadimarg in the early 1990s despite militant threats and that had made their Muslim friends very protective of them.
Though survivors of Sunday night`s massacre like Pran Nath Bhat, who lost his mother, brother, and a nephew, speak of it as ``unthinkable``, talk of death had been a part of the lives of the residents of this semi-pastoral village for a long time. Similar massacres in the past and the helplessness of the majority Muslim community in protecting their friends had played on their minds.
Shehnaz, Sushma and Bilal would often talk of an unseen death. Sushma would confide her fears, her insecurity and vulnerability, to her friends. ``We would tell her we will be your shield,`` sobs Shehnaz. ``If a bullet comes your way, we will take it. But the day it happened, we could not keep the promise.``
Bilal finds it hard to keep his composure for long. In his hysteria he refers to his discussions on Sufism and Hinduism with Sushma`s paramedic father. ``Daddy [Sushma`s father] would tell me about satsangs [devotional congregations] and Shaivism. I would talk to him about Islam. He was like my father and they killed him,`` he says.
On the Saturday preceding the massacre, Sushma had spent the night at Shehnaz`s house. The girls had chatted the night away. Sushma seemed to have had a premonition of death. ``She was very scared and told us some armed men were spotted near her house,`` recalls Shehnaz. ``We were worried, but we told her to talk about good things, like her cousin Vijay`s marriage.``
Vijay Bhat, 27, a teacher, had left for Jammu a week back to shop for his marriage. He returned to light his family`s funeral pyres.
In the courtyard of his house, his friends and acquaintances from neighbouring villages console Vijay. Lying on a grass-mat, two Muslim youths plead with him to take some tea.
``They could have burnt my house down, taken away every valuable. But they took all the lives, they did not spare
a single person,`` Vijay sighs.
Vijay studied at the government college in Anantnag. He has several Muslim friends and students. The massacre, however, has left him with nothing. ``What do I stay here for?`` he wonders. ``I never wanted to leave, but now I have to.``
The government`s promises of increased security in villages inhabited by the Pandits do not mean anything to Vijay; nor do the tears, the grieving faces of his neighbours. The frenzied slogans raised after every death in Kashmir sound hollow too.
The helplessness of the situation was evident in the words of Deputy Prime Minister Lal Kishenchand Advani, who visited Nadimarg on Tuesday. On the one hand he promised assistance to those wanting to migrate; on the other, he said migration of Pandits from the Kashmir Valley would be like playing into the enemy`s hands.
The Muslims, though grieving with the Pandits, seem reluctant to come out in the open with their protest. ``We want all this to stop,`` says Vijay`s friend Tufail Ahmad, a teacher. ``Every person you will talk to will tell you how they hate these massacres, but nobody wants to stick his neck out. Even the most secured politicians are using carefully chosen words to react to the situation. It is fear that keeps the Kashmiri Muslims indoors.``
His words are heard everywhere in Kashmir. The condemnations have come pouring in, not just from mainstream parties and separatists, but even from ultra-Islamist parties like the Jamaat-e-Islami Kashmir and Jamiat-e-Ahli Hadees. But all they have is sympathy.
As far as the Pandits are concerned, they see no option but to move out of the valley. ``We are in a state of shock,`` says Pran Nath Bhat, ``but we will decide soon.``
Vijay Bhatt has made up his mind already.
The Rediff
#44 Posted by arjun_m on March 27, 2003 11:06:02 am
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#42 Posted by Ralph on March 27, 2003 10:23:04 am
Sadna
The culture of hyperbolic complaining is not related to being a victim. It is actually a clear form of virulent aggression. It is meant to dominate more passive or accommodating groups. It is a superbly effective strategy. The more aggressive group gets to feel morally satisfied, and the accommodating group feels guilty and pressured to make accommodations that the aggressive group will never make under similar circumstances.
The culture of hyperbolic complaining is not related to being a victim. It is actually a clear form of virulent aggression. It is meant to dominate more passive or accommodating groups. It is a superbly effective strategy. The more aggressive group gets to feel morally satisfied, and the accommodating group feels guilty and pressured to make accommodations that the aggressive group will never make under similar circumstances.
#41 Posted by Urstruly on March 27, 2003 8:31:23 am
Shankar
And you are a Hindu......now match this insult:)
#40 Posted by Ras on March 27, 2003 8:31:22 am
``Gabbar, kitnay banday maray ga?``
Iraaday kuch khatarnaak lagtay hain....
Ras
#39 Posted by sadna on March 27, 2003 8:31:22 am
Ralph #36
Exactly. For a victim, the onus for change is always on others, leading to despair while he passively waits for others to make the world a better, more just place for him.
Obviously its extremely difficult , even impossible in situations of violence or prejudice beyond one`s control, not be be a real victim, namely one who feels or actually is, mentally and physically helpless wrt influencing one`s surroundings and one`s fate.
But those who are not in such extreme situations, who can think, write and travel the world, and earn a living, for such people to choose to assign themselves the helpless status of a victim seems very odd.
Exactly. For a victim, the onus for change is always on others, leading to despair while he passively waits for others to make the world a better, more just place for him.
Obviously its extremely difficult , even impossible in situations of violence or prejudice beyond one`s control, not be be a real victim, namely one who feels or actually is, mentally and physically helpless wrt influencing one`s surroundings and one`s fate.
But those who are not in such extreme situations, who can think, write and travel the world, and earn a living, for such people to choose to assign themselves the helpless status of a victim seems very odd.
#38 Posted by kamala on March 27, 2003 8:31:22 am
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#37 Posted by Romair on March 27, 2003 8:31:22 am
shankar #33: ``Criticising a country is one thing---its healthy if a society/country is open to & encourages self-criticism. Thats one of the reasons why the US ``survived`` Vietnam , but the Russians didnt survive Afghanistan.``
It is true that the US survived Vietnam, but what about the poor Vietnamese? Did they survive it? The US dropped more tonnage of armament in three months on one Vietnamese target, than it did on all of Japan in all of WWII. Who will bring the dead Vietnamese dead back?
The US may (and probably will) survive Iraq also. But will Iraq survive it? Over 1 million people have died in Iraq due to sanctions by the USA. The UN estimates for refugees in this war, and people dying due to shortage of supplies will be in the high hundreds of thousands (more people will die due to shortage of supplies than due to bombs).
The greatness of country and its,``open`` systems, lies not in, ``surviving`` after attacking Vietnams and Iraqs. It lies in not attacking Vietnams and Iraqs in the first place.
When one country attacks another, the primary discussion should be around whether the poor individuals of the weak attacked country will survive, not whether the attacking country will survive.
The world is always biased to successful, good-looking, meat-fed, wealthy, sophisticated people. No one cares about the poor, weak, illiterate, unemployed, ignorant ugly guy/girl or country. So much so, that when these wealthy sophisticated people/person attack an ignorant dirty unsophisticated person, people are more concerned about whether the rich guy will, ``survive.`` Will he be able to keep his great, ``open`` system working. Will his Armani suit be able to keep its creased lines.
I have seen so many programs on US TV, with psychiatrists, talking about how Americans should talk to their kids about this war, so that they are not scared or traumatized. I have seen hardly any, if any, on the trauma that the Iraqi children must be facing, under aerial attack, with a crumbling infrastructure. Such is the unfairness in the world.
Personally speaking, at this moment, I could care less whether the, ``open`` US system, ``survives`` or not. Or whether the US kids are unnecessarily traumatized by US attacking other countries. It is a system which has worked wonders for people who have been able to make it into the US (including me). However, it is also a system that has lead to one country dropping unthinkable tonnage of bombs on innocents (in most cases) in various countries, and killing hundreds of thousands to millions (directly and indirectly) of individuals of other countries. The US now has a defence budget which is greater than the combined defence budget of all other 191 countries of the world combined. I find it hard to believe that it is just to protect the US. It is designed mostly to attack other countries. Maybe such a system is not as perfect as you make it out to be.
What I am concered about is the trauma of Iraqi kids. Not because they are Muslims or Iraqis (Iraqis treat Pakistanis very poorly). But because they are completely innocent. It is their system that needs to survive.
If people are angry at the US, they have every right to be. Even if a person`s own father, who has taken care of the person and provided him/her with everything, starts killing innocent people, I think one not only has a right to get angry, but has a responsibility to do so.
In my opinion, any apologist for US inhumane (some are humane, most are not) military escapes has blood of the innocent people on his/her hands. If they could get their minds away from discussing, the, ``open`` US system all the time, they would realize this. Or is it wrong to even be angry against rich, sophisticated, welthy people, when they kill others.
As they say
Hum ahh bhi kartay hain tu ho jaatay hain badnaam.....Woh qatal bhi kartay hain to charcha nahin hota.....
It is true that the US survived Vietnam, but what about the poor Vietnamese? Did they survive it? The US dropped more tonnage of armament in three months on one Vietnamese target, than it did on all of Japan in all of WWII. Who will bring the dead Vietnamese dead back?
The US may (and probably will) survive Iraq also. But will Iraq survive it? Over 1 million people have died in Iraq due to sanctions by the USA. The UN estimates for refugees in this war, and people dying due to shortage of supplies will be in the high hundreds of thousands (more people will die due to shortage of supplies than due to bombs).
The greatness of country and its,``open`` systems, lies not in, ``surviving`` after attacking Vietnams and Iraqs. It lies in not attacking Vietnams and Iraqs in the first place.
When one country attacks another, the primary discussion should be around whether the poor individuals of the weak attacked country will survive, not whether the attacking country will survive.
The world is always biased to successful, good-looking, meat-fed, wealthy, sophisticated people. No one cares about the poor, weak, illiterate, unemployed, ignorant ugly guy/girl or country. So much so, that when these wealthy sophisticated people/person attack an ignorant dirty unsophisticated person, people are more concerned about whether the rich guy will, ``survive.`` Will he be able to keep his great, ``open`` system working. Will his Armani suit be able to keep its creased lines.
I have seen so many programs on US TV, with psychiatrists, talking about how Americans should talk to their kids about this war, so that they are not scared or traumatized. I have seen hardly any, if any, on the trauma that the Iraqi children must be facing, under aerial attack, with a crumbling infrastructure. Such is the unfairness in the world.
Personally speaking, at this moment, I could care less whether the, ``open`` US system, ``survives`` or not. Or whether the US kids are unnecessarily traumatized by US attacking other countries. It is a system which has worked wonders for people who have been able to make it into the US (including me). However, it is also a system that has lead to one country dropping unthinkable tonnage of bombs on innocents (in most cases) in various countries, and killing hundreds of thousands to millions (directly and indirectly) of individuals of other countries. The US now has a defence budget which is greater than the combined defence budget of all other 191 countries of the world combined. I find it hard to believe that it is just to protect the US. It is designed mostly to attack other countries. Maybe such a system is not as perfect as you make it out to be.
What I am concered about is the trauma of Iraqi kids. Not because they are Muslims or Iraqis (Iraqis treat Pakistanis very poorly). But because they are completely innocent. It is their system that needs to survive.
If people are angry at the US, they have every right to be. Even if a person`s own father, who has taken care of the person and provided him/her with everything, starts killing innocent people, I think one not only has a right to get angry, but has a responsibility to do so.
In my opinion, any apologist for US inhumane (some are humane, most are not) military escapes has blood of the innocent people on his/her hands. If they could get their minds away from discussing, the, ``open`` US system all the time, they would realize this. Or is it wrong to even be angry against rich, sophisticated, welthy people, when they kill others.
As they say
Hum ahh bhi kartay hain tu ho jaatay hain badnaam.....Woh qatal bhi kartay hain to charcha nahin hota.....
#36 Posted by Ralph on March 26, 2003 10:41:30 pm
Shankar
Being always full of complaints is a great strategy. That way people hide their faults, don`t need to do any soul searching on their own, can blame others for all their problems, and ask for more and more.
Being always full of complaints is a great strategy. That way people hide their faults, don`t need to do any soul searching on their own, can blame others for all their problems, and ask for more and more.
#35 Posted by r.a.janjua on March 26, 2003 8:30:46 pm
re: tahmed
this used to be on my advisor`s door.
ACHTUNG!
Alles touristen und Non-technischen Lookens Peepers!
Das Machine control is nicht fur Gerfingerpoken und Mittengrabben. Oderwise ist easy Schnappen der Spriggenwerk, Blownfuse und Poppencorken mit Spitzensparken. Der Machine ist operatin by Experten only. Ist nicht fur Gerverken by das Dumnkopfen. Das ubberneken Sightseenen Keppen das Cottenpicken Hands im das Pockets. So Relaxen und Watchen das Blinkenlights.
this used to be on my advisor`s door.
ACHTUNG!
Alles touristen und Non-technischen Lookens Peepers!
Das Machine control is nicht fur Gerfingerpoken und Mittengrabben. Oderwise ist easy Schnappen der Spriggenwerk, Blownfuse und Poppencorken mit Spitzensparken. Der Machine ist operatin by Experten only. Ist nicht fur Gerverken by das Dumnkopfen. Das ubberneken Sightseenen Keppen das Cottenpicken Hands im das Pockets. So Relaxen und Watchen das Blinkenlights.
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