Tauheed Ahmed March 29, 2003
#2 Posted by DRUMZ on March 29, 2003 3:04:13 pm
Congrats, this is BY FAR the stupidest piece I have EVER seen on Chowk.
LOL The funny thing is the writing style used here. Not only does he write bullsh1t, but he manages to oversimply everything.
``Tnd the truth is that the US and the Anglo-Saxon tradition on which it rests has conquered the world not through force of arms, but through the force of truth.``
LMAO. I really hope u are white.
LOL The funny thing is the writing style used here. Not only does he write bullsh1t, but he manages to oversimply everything.
``Tnd the truth is that the US and the Anglo-Saxon tradition on which it rests has conquered the world not through force of arms, but through the force of truth.``
LMAO. I really hope u are white.
#3 Posted by kamala on March 29, 2003 3:04:13 pm
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#4 Posted by UmerMurtaza on March 29, 2003 5:09:37 pm
Dear Tauheed,
Ermmm, where do I start from...well how about the fact that the Aboriginis weren`t allowed to vote until 1967 because they were considered part and package of the normal flora-fauna of Australia, as in, they weren`t considered humans.
As for Afghanistan, the communist PDPA was democratic, was it not? Or atleast, it had democratic aspirations, did it not? From that angle, were the mujahideen not a bunch of terrorists? Were they not going against the communist government in a non-legal way? Were they not destroying their towns, cities and even killing their own people to expel the Soviets and the PDPA. And for what? For their political aims?
Does that then not make every single country, that supported the mujahideen, supporters of terrorism? As well as including Pakistan, S. Arabia, China and even India (you gotta love `em for it - they kept supporting USSR until `88 but it didn`t stop them from supplying sh!tty weaponary to the ISI. Beautiful!), would it also not include USA - without whom this terrorist war would have lasted for so many more years?
Thank you.
Drumz,
Is that your picture, mate? And what are you doing thinking about self-publishing and Quark X-press?
Umer M.
Ermmm, where do I start from...well how about the fact that the Aboriginis weren`t allowed to vote until 1967 because they were considered part and package of the normal flora-fauna of Australia, as in, they weren`t considered humans.
As for Afghanistan, the communist PDPA was democratic, was it not? Or atleast, it had democratic aspirations, did it not? From that angle, were the mujahideen not a bunch of terrorists? Were they not going against the communist government in a non-legal way? Were they not destroying their towns, cities and even killing their own people to expel the Soviets and the PDPA. And for what? For their political aims?
Does that then not make every single country, that supported the mujahideen, supporters of terrorism? As well as including Pakistan, S. Arabia, China and even India (you gotta love `em for it - they kept supporting USSR until `88 but it didn`t stop them from supplying sh!tty weaponary to the ISI. Beautiful!), would it also not include USA - without whom this terrorist war would have lasted for so many more years?
Thank you.
Drumz,
Is that your picture, mate? And what are you doing thinking about self-publishing and Quark X-press?
Umer M.
#5 Posted by harimau on March 29, 2003 5:09:37 pm
So, 12 years after the liberation of Kuwait from the iron grip of Saddam Hussein, what kind of democracy do we have there?
Dumbest mistake Saddam Hussein made was not holding free elections in Kuwait 3 months after occupying Kuwait and then walking out and have the US demonstrate its complete hypocrisy by installing the Emir back on his throne.
Dumbest mistake Saddam Hussein made was not holding free elections in Kuwait 3 months after occupying Kuwait and then walking out and have the US demonstrate its complete hypocrisy by installing the Emir back on his throne.
#6 Posted by bat on March 29, 2003 5:09:38 pm
some facts:
-bush is not the elected president; the election was a sham
-british raj is not the reason india is a democracy
-what about other nations that were colonies and at present are ideal examples of Undemocratic regimes?
-Christopher Columbus is honoured and glorified in the US -how do you justify Columbus` starting the slave trade and consequent genocide? thats the legacy of the americans
-why havent the americans been successful in introducing democracy in Afghanistan? they destroyed what little infastructure it had and faltered on their rebuilding commitments
-you say the anglosaxons are pioneers of development and democracy. How do you explain the extermination of native americans and aboriginal peoples that they are responsible for?
the ``wmd`` argument failed, they came up with ``regime change``, that faltered they invented ``Iraqi freedom``. The sad thing is people buy into these faulty notions.
-bush is not the elected president; the election was a sham
-british raj is not the reason india is a democracy
-what about other nations that were colonies and at present are ideal examples of Undemocratic regimes?
-Christopher Columbus is honoured and glorified in the US -how do you justify Columbus` starting the slave trade and consequent genocide? thats the legacy of the americans
-why havent the americans been successful in introducing democracy in Afghanistan? they destroyed what little infastructure it had and faltered on their rebuilding commitments
-you say the anglosaxons are pioneers of development and democracy. How do you explain the extermination of native americans and aboriginal peoples that they are responsible for?
the ``wmd`` argument failed, they came up with ``regime change``, that faltered they invented ``Iraqi freedom``. The sad thing is people buy into these faulty notions.
#7 Posted by Studebaker on March 29, 2003 5:09:38 pm
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#8 Posted by tahmed32 on March 29, 2003 5:09:38 pm
Thanks to those who have read my article.
Drumz #3 I would appreciate if you would explain WHY you find this article stupid. I am afraid just your saying so is not going to be enough.
kamala #2 Same response as above to Drumz.
Rozaiba #1 ;-)
Drumz #3 I would appreciate if you would explain WHY you find this article stupid. I am afraid just your saying so is not going to be enough.
kamala #2 Same response as above to Drumz.
Rozaiba #1 ;-)
#9 Posted by nawaid on March 29, 2003 5:53:31 pm
isn`t the whole war and its astrocities sad enough that now we are reading this article? Its a typical statesman expression where people think the democracy they have is ideal for whole world and they have authority to spread it all over the world.
#10 Posted by gullu on March 29, 2003 5:53:31 pm
What does the war on Iraq have to do with democracy?? Looks like you have had an overdoes of Fox news.
As for your,
``Have the courage to see the truth. Because the truth will be still be there even if you close your eyes tightly shut to it. ``
haha.. get serious.. are u watching too much of X-files.
If Bush read this article he would be willing to make u the new `democratically` elected stooge in Iraq.
As for your,
``Have the courage to see the truth. Because the truth will be still be there even if you close your eyes tightly shut to it. ``
haha.. get serious.. are u watching too much of X-files.
If Bush read this article he would be willing to make u the new `democratically` elected stooge in Iraq.
#11 Posted by rozaiba on March 29, 2003 6:04:04 pm
tahmed:
i think you started to write this article with a joking intention and sprinkled it with half-hearted arguments (chuckling while writing it down).
i think you started to write this article with a joking intention and sprinkled it with half-hearted arguments (chuckling while writing it down).
#12 Posted by tahmed32 on March 29, 2003 7:18:16 pm
Studebaker #7 Could you identify any specific spots in the US record that you were not aware of when you applied for immigration to the US, and became aware of after living in this country?
Agreed on Pearle. Corrupt politicians and bureaucrats are the fleas that cluster around democracies, and laws need to be tightened further in this area.
Agreed on Pearle. Corrupt politicians and bureaucrats are the fleas that cluster around democracies, and laws need to be tightened further in this area.
#13 Posted by tahmed32 on March 29, 2003 7:18:16 pm
UmerMurtaza #5 The mujahedeen were fighting the Soviet army that had attacked Afghanistan. The Soviets themselves were a totalitarian regime (as clearly demonstrated when they were overthrown by their own people). So it would not be realistic to expect them to introduce a democratic government in Afghanistan. On the other hand, the US contributions to the introduction of democracy across the world goes back 200 hundred years, as I try to explain in the article.
Incidentally, I am not calling the Iraqi army fighters terrorists. They have adopted partisan tactics, as the mujahedeen did when fighting Soviets. Partisan fight regular troops. Terrorists attack civilians.
Thanks for writing.
Incidentally, I am not calling the Iraqi army fighters terrorists. They have adopted partisan tactics, as the mujahedeen did when fighting Soviets. Partisan fight regular troops. Terrorists attack civilians.
Thanks for writing.
#14 Posted by tahmed32 on March 29, 2003 7:18:16 pm
Harimau #4 Agreed that after the liberation of Kuwait there was no move towards democratization. But recall: the stated aim of that war was the liberation of Kuwait from Saddam Hussein, NOT the replacement of the Kuwaiti Emir. And these limited aims were based on compromises needed to conduct the war under the US umbrella and with a broad coalition.
In Iraq, the stated aims are different.
In Iraq, the stated aims are different.
#15 Posted by tahmed32 on March 29, 2003 8:03:41 pm
rozaiba #11 Actually, it started as a bit of chowk interaction. Then I decided that all the articles were taking a one-sided anti-US view of things, and the other side of the picture needed to be presented as well in the form of an article. I did chuckle a bit at Drumz`s heated post.
#16 Posted by tahmed32 on March 29, 2003 8:03:41 pm
nawaid #10 The war is indeed sad. The deaths and suffering of the Iraqis people are indeed sad, as are the deaths of US soldiers (and excuse me if my reference to US soldiers offends anyone on chowk who sees them only as faceless individuals and not as young people whose lives were cut short by the war). These are all fellow human beings, and I pray that the war ends quickly.
However, this does not mean that one ignores facts and takes the emotionally easy way out of blaming it all on US and ignoring certain inconvenient facts. That is why I wrote this article.
However, this does not mean that one ignores facts and takes the emotionally easy way out of blaming it all on US and ignoring certain inconvenient facts. That is why I wrote this article.
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