The Great Game for Central Asian Oil

#12 by sadna on April 6, 2003 9:40am PT

Right.
Except you failed to note that the Turkish military backed (some say controlled by US) put in enough pressure to get nearly half the votes in the parliment. It was touch and go.

Turkey can hardly be called a shining example of democracy. Where the Military has a constitutonal role, Elected govts have been pulled down by the military earlier including the one before this govt. The will of the people operates in the narrow confines imposed by the military which decides if the Prime Ministers wife can sport a scarf or not.
All with the praise by the west particularly the USA who call on the Secular Military one of the best institutions of Turkey, Not the parliment or any other instutuion.

Taimu Rahman,
Could you please tell me where did you get the information about PDPA reforms during 70`s such as Decree number 6 and other information.
I would really appreciate if you could share with me.
Thanks,
Kashif

#21 by shinyangel.
They say that you should believe in God, but should tie your camel first.

The pipeline has to come in contact with holiest of the holy places of god and god-chosen people in order for arab oil to be blessed and miraculously change into light sweet crude. Once it passes through Mecca, Jerusalem, Rome and Washington, the crude will be blessed and no longer require refining. God almighty is not a big fan of downstream business. Jet fuel high, octane gasoline and LPG for first world, diesel for the second world and coal-tar for third world are mentioned in code words in old testament, new testament and koran alongwith JFK assassination, ZyklonB, holocaust and swimsuit trends for 2003.

Aye iman walo, iman ki rassi ko coal-tar maiN dabou ker mazbooti say thamay (chipkay) raho.

yes you rightly said taht paki govt only the gove is puppet in usa hand but the PEOPLES OF PKISTAN ARE NOT .TYEY BLIEVE ONLY IN GOD ALMIGHTY THE ONLY SUPER POWER NO AMERICA AND OTHER ,
OK
UNDERSTAND
We are agaist the war agaist iraq but what we can do we only protest against the war nothing else

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Oil, Central Asian Republics, India, pipelines, Pakistan, Iran, turmoil, greed, lies, laughter in marble halls, secret hand shakes, space imagery, puppets on a string, wars, un-numbered bank accounts, nacro-terrorism, religion, corruption...and the dream never ends...

...the movie ends, and the doors open and the world of the fantasy is exchanged for a surreal apathy and the cool air conditioned air of the dark theater is greeted and scared away by the humidity, outside, that hangs over me like a dripping shourd and the mulberry night tells me that I never really liked the songs...what a waste...can I get my money back???

Ciao

8 by arjun_m
Why are you so BITTER?
Did some PAki steal your girlfriend or
your wife?

hamidm2 #15 Regarding this pipeline ``from Iraq to Syria via Israel`` that Mr. Kashaziz says is the grand plan (sorry, the Great Game). You helpfully note would that this pipeline would also need to go through Jordan in order to reach Israel. I may add that in order to reach Syria from Israel it would need to go back via Jordan again. And I suppose the purpose of the Great Game is to get oil from Iraq to Syria.

And then we have this second pipeline that Kashaziz sees coming from Afghanistan to the warm waters of Pakistan. And I suppose they will be sending naswar from Afghanistan to the Arabian sea in this pipeline.

I suppose I should laugh at all this. But for some reason I wish I had a pipeline right now against which to bang my head in frustration at the kinds of idiotic posts one comes across on chowk. ;-)

kashaziz

``There will be a pipeline from the CARs (Central Asian Republic) via Afghanistan to the warm waters in Pakistan and another one from Iraq to Syria via Israel. ``

......... now why would anyone want to build a pipeline going west from iraq through jordan and then back up through israel to syria????? ...... how about building a pipeline from iran to india through germany ? ....... makes sense to me .......... and why do muslims dream about oil instead of semi-conductors or steel ? .... it is a rhetorical question, so don`t bother to answer.......... somehow i believe that god is punishing the ayrabs by putting oil under their sand ......... if it hadn`t been for the oil, the bedouins would have been about as relevant as the bushmen, the eskimos and the dodo birds ............. one of these days the white man will figure out how to make these darn hydrogen fuel cells work and the arabs and the arab-wannabes can go back to pounding sand, raiding caravans between mecca and jerusalem, and collecting entertainment tax during hajj ............

............ buy hybrid cars and make ayrabs and ayranians irrelevant ! ....... i wish we could move pakistan south of australia - away from the corrupting influence of the arabs and far away from the horrible heeng-eaters next door ................

Good work Taimur.

There will be a pipeline from the CARs (Central Asian Republic) via Afghanistan to the warm waters in Pakistan and another one from Iraq to Syria via Israel.

All these pseudo-intellectuals be damned

Taimur:

You have given adequate references to support your theory. So I do not agree with contributors that it is a paranoic conspiracy theory. If they believe that it is then they should give references to that effect.

I believe that USA`s presence in Afghanistan will be beneficial to its people and to Pakistanis only and only if they do not over-project former communist Tajiks, Uzbeks and Royalists at the cost of Pushtoons and Iran backed Shias.

Afghanistan will only become stable when it is allowed to be govern in accordance with the requirements of Loya Jirga. Keeping Pushtoons away from power and needlessly supporting NA and handpicked war lords will only encourage resentment and resurgence of a popular revolt.

While it is in the interest of USA to pump out as much oil as possible. Oil cost $$$ to produce. Production cost is $2 in Saudi Arabia, $15 in North Sea/Siberia/Texas. So oil prices cannot go below a certain point. Otherwise a lot of world`s oil producers would lose money producing petroluem. I am sure the cost of production and transport in Central Asia is in the $10-15 range. USA pays a lot of money to foreign oil producers. The real issue is what do the elites in oil producing states do with those dollars.

When the proletariat refuses to vote, all you will get by overthrowing the the ruling classes is a Communist dictatorship.

The same with reviving the Ottomans like another genius suggested, without an aware public and proper institutions, all you will get in return is a Saudi-style rigid monarchy.

Sitting at home refusing to build ones national insitutions but ranting against US imperialism doesnot make sense.

US imperialism didnot work with Turkey in this conflict, Turkey IS determining its own destiny instead of simply asserting its right to determine its own destiny in endless oped pieces. Perhaps the author ought to look into what Marxist theory says about this or the other guy can suggest why God is so meherban on them?

The Soviet Union was an anti-imperial force?

I only thank God every day that that evil empire is gone from the Earth. Certainly, America`s actions are bad. But honestly speaking, American forces are nowhere near as brutal or disgusting as previous colonizing forces. Our own fellow Talibs, Islamists, and so on, treat people just as bad -- if not worse -- than American armies. The difference? They have more technology so they do it on a larger scale.

But the Soviet Union was pure evil, a darkness and a hole. Eliminating whole nationalities. Deporting whole peoples. Eradicating environments. Wiping out cultures and civilizations. Killing millions upon millions for the sake of stupid collectivization.

And what did it accomplish? A pitiful Russian army that took eight years to establish a tenuous hold over Chechnya, whose population is under 1 million and whose territory is 1/10 of 1 percent of Russia`s.

There will always be imperialism and there will always be war. You cannot change human nature. You can only try to create institutions to mediate and ameliorate -- much as democracies try to capture the worst aspects of human nature and reduce their influence. It`s not perfect. But what is?

Certainly NOT anything to do with Communism.