This Beloved Arab Colony

#51 by Honorable_Syed on June 19, 2003 1:29pm PT
In response to pakfin,
First not all the descendants of Ali (r.a.) ended up living in India and Pakistan. You will find Syeds in Saharan Africa, North Africa, Egypt, Iran, Turkey, India-Pakistan, Brunei (the Sultan of Brunei is a descendant of Hazrat Ali through Hazrat Hassan), Mediterannean, the Gulf, and so forth. It seems like my chowk id causes quite a bit of a stir. It seems like many people get offended by it, and start attacking the authenticity of my lineage. Its really sad.
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Yeah...there are Brahmins all over the world. All left theri country and spread out on a mission to improve the kafirs

``It seems like my chowk id causes quite a bit of a stir. It seems like many people get offended by it, and start attacking the authenticity of my lineage. Its really sad. ``

Very very sad.....
But Hon_Syed...don`t take things to heart...that is the price you pay for being the highest one in the caste/class ladder

Pooh! How jealous these ordinary mortals are of honorable Syed Brahmins

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#55 by Naqshbandi on June 19, 2003 5:23pm PT

``also many sayyids only marry other sayyids and thus retain a purity of blood too... ``

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Yeah.....puccey ekdum pure brahmins...only marry within thier own caste and blood line..can`t even dream of marrying a `converted shudra`..with Hindu ancestors...
And these converted ones? they converted to escape hinduism...to be a part of all embracing Islam

#55

The Prophet (PBUH) was a human being, and so are Sayyids, everyone should be proud of their roots and lineage, but i think some ppl go OTT with the Sayyid thing... i know of many Sayyids who behave in a manner that cannot be called very Islamic.

But tell me do you think that a person who is a Syed Muslim is better than a person who is a Muslim but is say a low caste? Whatever you reply to this, you know what the reality of this is in Pakistan.

Its almost as if the Sayyid people use this to be one above the rest, when i see some Sayyids, i think what is the difference between a Brahmin and a Sayyid? What then was the point of Islam, are not all men equal in front of God?

{{If a sayyid kicks you in the head it is a blessing!``--this is what a Moroccon brother said to me? And why do they get this respect? Cos they have the sacred blood of Aaqa alayhisalatusalam in their veins. It is a blessing which Allah bestows upon whom He wills! And thus sayyids are right to be proud of this noblest of lineages! }}

WooooW!! how egalitarian!
All muslims are sacred...but some, it seems, are more sacred than others!

It all makes sense to me now!
Masha Allah!
Naqsbandhi sahib went to frikking Fez & got blessed by a sacred kick in the skull!

``If a sayyid kicks you in the head it is a blessing!``--

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

#55 Naqshbandi:
[``If a sayyid kicks you in the head it is a blessing!``--]

No wonder Syed Musharraf, Syed Faisal Saleh Hayat and Syed Maher Ali Shah and many other are doing just that to Pakistanis--alhamdolillah

....and Syed Naqvi and Syed Sharif Uddin Pirzada kicked in the head with devolution and LFOs also--jazakallah

Please let Saminashah kick you in the head also!--inshaallah

Mohammad`s progeny was wiped out during Karbala except Zain Ul Abideen and Imam Hussein`s daughter Sakina, therefore, the total number of Syeds can not be more than Abidis worldwide. Go figure!

Inquirer #30 Thanks. :-)

sameerJB #46 I think the remittances from workers in the middle east are no small potatoes. These add up to something like $2 billion I think. With the Gulf States now being quite progressive - unlike the stereotype of the primitive Arab set by Saudi Arabia - they in fact provide major opportunities for profit making by pakistani businessmen as well.

ferozk #49 What we need in Pakistan is VALUES, not IDEOLOGY. Ideology is the irresponsible man`s may of looking for pre-defined answers for everything. Values are what a responsible individual, and responsible nations, try to live by.

Well said Syed Sahib!

There are also saadaat e karaam all over the whole world in fact; Morroco is full of sayyids masha Allah! Their king is a sayyid; Yemen is famous for its sayyids==the whole of the Hadramawt Valley is home for the Ba Alawi sayyids and sufis! Jordan`s king too is a sayyid; Iraq has been home to and still is home to countless sayyids--the guardians of the mazar paak of Sayyidina Ghawth al Azam Sayyid Abd al Qadir Jilani are all sayyids; the Najib al Tarafayn (?) in Ottoman Empire which was largely Turkic used to be seated closer to the Sultan in official Court protocol than anyone else--he was always a sayyid from both maternal and paternal sides and one of the highest respected posts for this reason! Not to mention the Hijaz region of Saudi Arabia which is choc a bloc full of sayyids eg the noble shaykh and scholar Sayyid Muhammad al Alawi al Maliki (who is persecuted by the Wahabis and prevented from preaching cos he is a Sufi!)

Saadaat are everywhere and this is a part of the blessing which Allah bestowed upon his Beloved Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam; also many sayyids only marry other sayyids and thus retain a purity of blood too...

India and Pakistan are alhamdulillah blessed with sayyids in abundance too...many of the great Sufi tariqas are headed by Sayyids in the Subcontinent. If you people think we
desis love and respect the Saadaat (which we do!) then you should visist Yemen or Morocco or meet some brothers from there! ``If a sayyid kicks you in the head it is a blessing!``--this is what a Moroccon brother said to me? And why do they get this respect? Cos they have the sacred blood of Aaqa alayhisalatusalam in their veins. It is a blessing which Allah bestows upon whom He wills! And thus sayyids are right to be proud of this noblest of lineages!

In resp to malik,
I agree with you 100%.

In response to pakfin,
First not all the descendants of Ali (r.a.) ended up living in India and Pakistan. You will find Syeds in Saharan Africa, North Africa, Egypt, Iran, Turkey, India-Pakistan, Brunei (the Sultan of Brunei is a descendant of Hazrat Ali through Hazrat Hassan), Mediterannean, the Gulf, and so forth. It seems like my chowk id causes quite a bit of a stir. It seems like many people get offended by it, and start attacking the authenticity of my lineage. Its really sad.

#42, ferozk; #17 veeresh:
Why are you so obsessed with religion? As clearly stated by nazarhayatkhan, religion has no business being any where other than the three places. Lead your life according to fairplay and common sense. That is what the rest of the world is doing!

Japan, USA and ECU are biggest trade partners of Pakistan. Pakistani exports rice and labor to Muslims countries and imports oil. That is the extent of Ummah from Pakistani perspective. The Arabic or Persian language has no use for Pakistan and in open media market, these languages programs will not get private sponsors. Go to any Market in Islamabad, less than 150 miles from Afghanistan and only visible trade is few dry food stalls. There is just nothing for Pakistan to be politically Islamic and on the bandwagon of Ummah. Besides three mentioned above, India, China and southeast Asia should be preferred trading partners for Pakistan.

dost-mittar:
It does fit with the theme of this article from my point of view.

faisaluno:
I agree that Pakistanis will choose the religious one over overtly western/ liberal but you excluded third, fourth and other possibilities. Two points. 1) State supported systematic promotioin of ideology and identity and last 25 years since Bhutto`s murder has produced an environment conducive to pro-religious mindset. However, instead of the two assumed political parties you mentioned, I add one more who ignore both and support local cultural identity, official backing of local language, pride in local culture, standing up for local people and standing up against unfair treatment of local cultural identity, is likely to beat out both just as MQM did in Karachi.

That is the main point to understand the mind of pan-Islamist and Ummah person. Their strongest opposition is native identities and cultures and, boy, they detest challenge to pan-Islamism from native cultures. They can`t accept that Islam is religion and culture is composite Pakistani - varying from ethnicity to ethnicity. They wish to have whole enchilada but grudgingly project a view of composite Islamic, Arabic, Persian, Afghan, Turkic and ``indigenous`` in the last. This is nonsense. We belong to our ethnicities in cultural terms - 100 percent. The cultural component of the Islamic civilization of glory days did not make a significant impact until last 25-30 years and that too mostly in urban environment. The reason was not any weakness of Islamic but the self-contained randomly distributed villages and cultures did not offer proper means of communication in addition to ruling style from the top only. How can Panjab be Islamic culture when practically no road and only two major cities, Lahore and Multan existed that mattered to Islamic rulers and the population of Lahore, the biggest city was 200,000 when British took it over. Much less than 10 percent men knew reading or writing with almost zero percent women. What the heck author is talking about the past of our people and Pakistan belonging in the past? In Mexico, despite extensive urbanization, westernization, Spanish language and 95 percent catholics, the cultures of the society is still native American.

The past of Pakistani people is much less Islamic - mostly nominal Islamic - than current hoopla about it. In the past, Pakistani peope never took part in any jihad or pan-Islamism. They casually followed local sufis at the most.

I am surprised with the amount of hand wringing and introspection Pakistanis do. Maybe it is becuase they are so confused about their identity. Mr. Moghul is trying to arugue that for Pakistan to go forward, it has to go back in history. And not only in its past but the past of Arabia. I am sure this attitude will be diagnosed as Inferiority Complex by a good psychiatrist.

The only way to go is to look into future. Figure out why the Islamic World is in such a bad shape. The future belongs to the Educated and Education cannot spread until there is freedom of thought and speech. If you cannot question you cannot educate. Until people are free to question everything including religion and beliefs, there will be no progress. I am sure this will not happen in the near future in Pakistan of any other islamic country. Even after generations there will be articles like this one.