Survival of the Fittest

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Tier 4 Defense: At a certain stage in future, Pakistan will have to decide as to when and how to start re-arming the freedom fighters in Afghanistan. It is necessary to do it in order to keep our Western border, relatively less vulnerable. It is time that the plans must be prepared and links should be established for the time when it comes.
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Your lot never learns and never gives up on its stupidity.

`` India must buy the idea that the aggression on Pakistan, by anyone, will have formidable and dire consequences for India.``

Haven`t heard a funnier joke in recent times.

Mr S Mohammed,

Your article can be summarized Pakistan Vs the Whole World by threatening India.

5 Tiers:

Tier 1: `` India must buy the idea that the aggression on Pakistan, by anyone, will have formidable and dire consequences for India.``

What more can Pakistan do? Isn`t it bankrupt trying to fight the ``freedom`` struggles in India already. Sounds more like Saddam in 1991, I`ll take Israel out if anybody touches me. We know what happened to him. I don`t think anybody besides the US and Russia have the balls to assert that. Not even China. Pakistan tu kis khait ki mulli hai!

Tier 2: Make it impossible to police Pakistan in a post-war scenario.``

I think the world, the educated people of Pakistan know this already all too well about the lawless NW Frintier region. What a splendid idea and turn it into a national Pakistani model. Lets see how many French, German, or even Chinese companies would want to do business in that environment.

Tier 3: Heavily arm Kashmir ``Freedom Fighters`` 2.0 (By S. Mohammed Inc)

Again, what more can Pakistan do? Isn`t it bankrupt already. By the way, if India does attack it will probably be in the plains of Sindh or Punjab where its conventional forces have tactical superiority and presence of Pakistani civilians make using a tactical nuclear option by Pakistan on Pakistani soil difficult. The mountinous route to China is more of a symbolic path.

Tier 4: Re-Arm Afghan fighters.

Yeah, this time they would stand up to an American coalition.

Tier 5: Help the 17 ``Freedom movements`` in India

Again (the seventeenth time), wouldn`t Pakistan be 17 times more Bankrupt.


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If the two countries continue to squable with each other like teenagers, both countries will lose in the long term. No matter what scenrio.

Only the outsiders will benefit.

Lets not become ``Northern Alliance`` for the outsiders.

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All this talk of Pakistan being ``next`` is nothing more than the latest in the long chain of grandoise claims of self-importance. Starting from being a bulwark against communism to the only route to the warm waters of the Indian oceans, Pakistani imaginations have no limits to their quixotic sense of destiny.

Pakistan is not `next`. It already has been. Foreign forces have bases on our soil. A constitution rapist is ready to drop his underwear at the first ring of a telephone from Washington. Donor agencies have a chokehold on our economy and here we are dreaming about being `next`. Hallelujah!!

later
-sac

P.S:``Survival of the fittest`` will ensure that the author`s genes will not trouble humanity`s future generations!

Mr. Mohammad:
This is an example of a very tendentious analysis by a jihadist mindset.
It is interesting that you start by saying that the world has changed since Sept. 11 but in your listing the objectives of the new American game, the threat of international terrorism figures nowhere on the list. Do you believe that the attack on WTC was engineered to provide a context for fulfilling the objectives listed by you?
And when you give reasons why Pakistan may become a target of America, you fail to mention that it is the current operational headquarter of Al Qaeda, the original stated reason for the United States going into both Afghanistan and Iraq.
As per your scenarios, you have missed the most likely ones:
Case A: The current leadership realizes the tight spot in which it is and adapts Pakistan`s policies and programs to suit the American interests - this is something that it has been doing very shrewdly thus far.
Case B: The current leadership is toppled by the military-political elements opposed to the policy of accomodating American interests and the Americans respond by destroying Pakistan`s nuclear arsenal or delivery system or both.
Case C: Saner elements prevail in Pakistan and it stops arming and training jihadis for Kashmir, thereby paving the way for normalising relations with Pakistan.
And Pakistan is certainly not the first or second on the American list, those spots are taken by Syria and Iran. The Americans would rather have a friend in Pakistan than an enemy and, given their past and current experience, they have every reason to believe that this is not difficult to achieve.
P.S. Are you Urstruly?

Dear Readers,

I must remind you that the impetus for a debate in this article is not to discuss an India vs. Paksitan scenario, but to discuss whether Pakistan can develope a credible detterent against any non-Indic agression to itself or not.

Please try to keep your input as objective and to the point as possible. I appreciate and look forward to hostile comments, as long as they are objective.


Thank you.

Dear Chowk Staff

Please correct the name of the author as Urstruly in this article.

Thank you.

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Pakistan Nuclear Capability -- with the Jihadi hordes controlling 40% of the country -- is definitely a THORN on the side of the US-Israeli Axis.

This capability is SAFE -- as long as the US Republican Guards OCCUPY Pakistan which they do currently -- under the pretext of securing Afghanistan -- which will NEVER be secured enough --

Pakistan uninvited GUESTS are not leaving any time soon -- that`s for sure

THE QUESTION -- what will happen to that Nuclear Capability -- if Pakistan has true democracy ie an elected not selected Parliament -- and an elected not selected Chief of State –

a MAN of dignity -- not a an army shoeshine boy -- in charge of the government – and then the Parliament/NA asks the Americans to get out –

will that Nuclear capability then be gutted by the departing American GUESTS before/after they leave the country?

There are ONLY TWO CHOICES for Pakistan -- either remain occupied and remain a vassal of the United States --

and keep the Nuclear Capability in a safe `LOCKBOX` --

or get together with India in solid friendship of common National Interests -- with a solid regional defense pact -- forget Kashmir -- forget Afghanistan -- have mutual slashing of the back-breaking defense budget -- modernize education -- modernize the infrastructure and communication – and BAN the the two religions out of politics!

and then ease out the Americans gently and safely -- like a bottle of nitroglycerine -- having good relations with the Americans as a sovereign state -- not that of a Master and a Slave –

and keep the Nuclear Capability in a safe `LOCKBOX` --

Now folks – which option do YOU think -- the ‘sagacious’ -- the ‘pragmatic’ --Army of Pakistan will choose?

I stopped reading this article after the first sentence. So the world order collapsed, did it. The world order where a dictator can come to power by force, and proceed to build luxurious palaces for himself, steal billions of dollars, torture and kill anyone who questions this theft?

And Mr. Mohammed bemoans this. I think you and others like you need to get your heads out of your ass.

...hahahahha...dumbass pakis harboring delusions and paranoia..what else is new?....

#5 by harish_hyd

I am so sick and tired of listening to your PM always saying that his patience is running thin, he has been saying this everytime there is some kind of attack either by freedom fighters or your own security forces which you guys blame it on terrorist. Frankly, it sounds funny now everytime he says that, everyone knows Hindus can`t fight.
Just like Gandhi said HINDUS ARE COWARDS and Muslims are bullies.

Actually, unlike the other replies so far, i think S Mohammed has done a decent job of identifying Pakistan`s options in case it is ``next``. However, I dont think the US will go after Pakistan, for the following reasons:
a) US economy is in bad shape; cannot justify another war at this time
b) 2004 is election year in US; cannot justify another war at this time, that too against Pak
c) Pak has no oil or other wealth to foot the US bill, in case of war
d) US does not need to go to war against Pak to acheive its objectives. There are many options other than war that US has against Pak.
In the (unfortunately) unlikely event that the US would want to wage war against Pakistan, they would not do so right away. First, they would put Pak in the list of rogue nations, then impose economic sanctions for a decade and see if they can get the UN to do something similar. Imagine the effect on Pakistan if the US refused to import textiles from it. The US can also go for degrading Pakistan militarily and economically - deny it spares, new weaponry, threaten action against any country such as France that may want to supply Pak with weapons... encourage (a la Kurds) the Sindhis and Balochis to revolt against the Punjabis (not much effort required given the coming severe water scarcities), play off one general against the other, one politician against the other - the options are endless. Alternatively, the US could gain control of Pakistan economically, politically and militarily (for its nuclear weapons) by posing as a friend, asking it for its bases (I am sure Pak would offer US army bases if only to spite India), allowing IMF to interfere with the economy, have the politicians in its pocket.

The US could also encourage strikes on training camps in PoK by India... the US would care two hoots about Pak using nukes on India and even less if India nuked Pakistan...

Once again, in the unlikely event of a US war against Pak, the US or India would have to be stupid to want to `police` Pak. Their aim would be to first control its nuclear assets, and take out the jihadis, never mind the collateral damage. The army being disciplined would surrender anyway. In fact, appointing the surrendered army general as the ruler of Pakistan, or one of the pliable politicians as the ruler of Pakistan and taking control of ISI files, would mean that the new ruler would do the policing and fall over himself/herself to do America`s bidding.