malik khar April 16, 2003
#11 Posted by Autopsy on May 27, 2003 5:15:39 pm
#10 by tahmed32>>Well first of all no one from my family is from army neither did i go to any army school. But personally i don`t see any land being taken away by any army,even in bordering areas of Pakistan. During heightened tension with India , army may build temporary trenches, or camoflauge shelters, but i haven`t seen any forced acclaimation of land by any army. My grandfather owned land along the bordering areas of lahore never had any problem with army.Sorry to say that u information is solely based on corrupt newspaper columnists. ``Any democratic institutions left that you have not shattered?`` tell me which democratic institiution was left intact by ur ``democratically elected representatives of people``. Gentleman, perhaps,the land alotted, and lawlessness provided under the democratic government of Nawaz Sharif is not known to you. Even when XYZ Watto was CM of lahore under Benazir rule, provided umbrella for all those corrupt ppl.
Dunt think motorway improved the lives of poor people or atleast any other democratically elected government on past 15 years did anything for poors, maybe they did something for you.
Dunt think motorway improved the lives of poor people or atleast any other democratically elected government on past 15 years did anything for poors, maybe they did something for you.
#10 Posted by tahmed32 on April 23, 2003 7:56:58 pm
Autopsy #9 You talk like a Pakistan armyman. Hasnt Pakistan suffered enough from your ``talented, disciplined`` people? Are there any plots left in any major city in Pakistan, or lands in rural areas, left that you people have not allotted to your names? Any democratic institutions left that you have not shattered? Any government enterprise left that you people have not taken over? Any blood left in the poor people of Pakistan that you have not sucked?
#9 Posted by Autopsy on April 23, 2003 10:53:54 am
Our whole system of education needs to be changed if not upgraded. Here are few suggestion. Till grade seven urdu should be compulsory,from grade 8 till Bachelors,it shoud be English and from Masters and up third language, anyone like Spanish,French,German,Persian should be made compulsory. The public education should partially be privatized.There should be parents unions which should monitor the performance teh activities of their kids. More and more foreign educated man power should be brought in and all those obsoleute old crappy teachers should be immediately sacked!
One for ``nazarhayatkhan `` the defense of our country is equally important. The reason why we see armymen in government,WAPDA or any organiztion is because our public scholl educated man power has proved taht they are incapable, inefficent in providing the right thing.Ofcourse army schools and army system is the only public system which has produced talented, disciplined people.
One for ``nazarhayatkhan `` the defense of our country is equally important. The reason why we see armymen in government,WAPDA or any organiztion is because our public scholl educated man power has proved taht they are incapable, inefficent in providing the right thing.Ofcourse army schools and army system is the only public system which has produced talented, disciplined people.
#8 Posted by Ras on April 19, 2003 11:49:33 am
If Public Schools are not doing a good job then the Private way is
the future.
#7 Posted by tahmed32 on April 18, 2003 8:58:37 am
I think you make a very good point about the low level of funding and management of government schools vs. the growing political influence of madrassahs which NazarHayat correctly characterizes as producing ``little green monsters``. You ignore certain top notch private schools (like Beacon House) where children of the relatively well off go, incidenatally, although agreed they cater to a much smaller number of children. And you ignore also the large number of good schools started by non-profit organizations (with the Pakistani expatriate community providing much of the funds for this).
On madrassahs: A former CDA adminsitrator told me last year how the big madrassah across from the E-7 sector in Islamabad was started - Zia told him to re-zone it from a green area to allow the madrassah to be built. That madrassah has ample funds (presumably either from the Zakat funds that are off the budget, or more likely from Saudi Arabia) to give free lodging, food and islamist propoganda (which is what it is, not education and certainly not religious education) to hundreds of impressionable young students from poor families in NWFP mostly.
On madrassahs: A former CDA adminsitrator told me last year how the big madrassah across from the E-7 sector in Islamabad was started - Zia told him to re-zone it from a green area to allow the madrassah to be built. That madrassah has ample funds (presumably either from the Zakat funds that are off the budget, or more likely from Saudi Arabia) to give free lodging, food and islamist propoganda (which is what it is, not education and certainly not religious education) to hundreds of impressionable young students from poor families in NWFP mostly.
#6 Posted by veeresh on April 17, 2003 5:18:48 am
Great stuff (after all, another Malik) . . . with logical amendments, this could be an article about India . . . so it just confirms that we do share a common heritage and next Pakistani who talks about ye olde Arab lineage needs to get a Masters Degree too minimum from Muzafargarh/Punjab-Pakistan (or from our end, from Muzafarpur/North Bihar or Muzafarnagar/Western UP or Kot Muzafarwalan/Punjab-India or Muzafar Sarai/Eastern Railway etcetc) . . . every taxi driver and many auto-drivers I meet lately in India, country-wide, are graduates atleast if not post-graduates . . . however, there seem to be a discernible wave of some educated youngsters heading back for the cash-crop privatised economy agricutural sector in some parts of India . . . so do you see agriculture being ``corporatised`` in Pakistan, then?
#5 Posted by taqil17 on April 17, 2003 5:18:48 am
Well said Shanawaz! Right now the problem is not quantity but quality. Very recently I had a student preparing for IELTS, she was a PHD (Chemistry) From Quaid-i-Azam university but believe me her level of English was at par with my SEVEN years old nephew! I must say there is something definitely wrong somewhere With apologies to Shakespeare there is something rotten in the state of Pakistan! how could somebody get a Phd from one of our top university and yet be so pathetic in simple spoken and written English?? The same is true for all IT related desciplines. Most of our universities are churning out or rather mass producing graduates with total disregard to the QUALITY of their knowledge. I say this from experience because I am a teacher and I work in an IT related Goverment Department. Keep writing Shahnawaz So happy to see one of my old students doing something CREATIVE! thank God you did not make a BABU! Good LucK!
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#4 Posted by dullabhatti on April 16, 2003 11:12:38 pm
ehh te kujh vi nai. I know a teacher couple back home..the lady did not enter the school for straight 15 years but used to get paid. The guy will come in once every other month or haaRhi sauni to make sure they did not move the school to different location or something. Then there are others who get paid about 5000 to 8000 rs/- a month hire fresh college garduates BA paas or even MA for 1500 rs/- a month and stay home themselves. It is like outsourcing your own job at a lower cost and pocketing the profit.
#3 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on April 16, 2003 7:55:47 pm
Malik
Thanks for highlighting this issue. Our leaders think that tanks, aircraft and subarines will provide security.
So almost 50% budget goes into that . Education gets 2 % or so.
Meanwhile, the Madressas keep churning out little green monstors.
#2 Posted by PaagalInsaan on April 16, 2003 4:03:42 pm
While the religious parties have been encouraged by the establishment and the agencies to popularize their respective ideologies by establishing these madrassahs, people belonging to all other schools of ideology have been discouraged and hindered from achieving similar objectives.
While the molvis scornfully rejected the syllabus control on madrassas and forced the government to lick back the spit, private schools are forced to be in line with the outdated and stupid jihad-oriented syllabus by the textbook boards.
And now we hear Mr. Jamali and his 40 thieves starting to talk about a single syllabus. This will result in Pakistan full of 2 kinds of people,
1) The Madrassa-educated Molvis
2) The Government-educated Molvis
#1 Posted by rozaiba on April 16, 2003 11:47:28 am
i`ve seen some crooked people. nothing is more crooked than public school teachers forcing their pupils to take after school private lessons with them. for an additional fee of course. or else risk failing.
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