As Qurans Burn
Syed Ali April 19, 2003
#16 Posted by Romair on April 20, 2003 10:00:26 am
Some interesting facts:
Haiti: The country with the most US interventions in the Central/Southern America:
Nicaragua: The country with the second most US interventions in the Central/Southern America
Columbia: The highest recepient of US arms in Central/Southern America
Afghanistan: The country with the highest amount of US interventions in Central Asia
Iraq: The country with the highest amount of US interventions in the Middle East
Israel/Egypt: The two countries with the highest amount of US aid in the world
Some more interesting statistics:
Haiti/Nicaragua: The country with the lowest living standards in Central/Southern America
Columbia: The biggest violator of human rights in Central/Southern America
Afghanistan: The country at the bottom of the UN Human Development Index in the world
Iraq: The country with the second largest oil deposits in the world, yet the lowest standard of living in the Middle East
Israel/Egypt: Two countries with the worst human rights record in the area
Haiti: The country with the most US interventions in the Central/Southern America:
Nicaragua: The country with the second most US interventions in the Central/Southern America
Columbia: The highest recepient of US arms in Central/Southern America
Afghanistan: The country with the highest amount of US interventions in Central Asia
Iraq: The country with the highest amount of US interventions in the Middle East
Israel/Egypt: The two countries with the highest amount of US aid in the world
Some more interesting statistics:
Haiti/Nicaragua: The country with the lowest living standards in Central/Southern America
Columbia: The biggest violator of human rights in Central/Southern America
Afghanistan: The country at the bottom of the UN Human Development Index in the world
Iraq: The country with the second largest oil deposits in the world, yet the lowest standard of living in the Middle East
Israel/Egypt: Two countries with the worst human rights record in the area
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#15 Posted by kamala on April 20, 2003 7:35:31 am
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#14 Posted by Saminasha on April 20, 2003 7:35:31 am
socrates,
You should read/hear what the son of an Iraqi who was killed with poison and whose mother was imprisoned has to say. He`s in the US now. www.democracynow.org
You should read/hear what the son of an Iraqi who was killed with poison and whose mother was imprisoned has to say. He`s in the US now. www.democracynow.org
#13 Posted by gnh on April 20, 2003 7:35:30 am
We should burn all the books like ``Koran``, ``BhagabadGita``, ``Bible``, ``Das Capital``, ``Dhammapada``, ``Avesta``, ``LaoTse``, ``Confucius``. Though these books have helped us in the time of our grief, they have prevented us from realizing our selves. These books for thousands of years have helped massacre of millions of people.
These books have given power to average people like the Gurus, the Mullahs and the Lamas. God exists in the human mind as an antithesis of ``unconditional human love``. It is a crutch. Time has come to throw away the crutch. There are millions of educated people - who do not go to the church or mosque or temples. According to the Hindu and Muslim zealots they will be in hell (Janhannam or Narak). These books have made this earth a hell.
We should throw the baby with the bath water and also the bath tub - if we really want to understand freedom. Let us learn detachment to gain inner freedom.
These books have given power to average people like the Gurus, the Mullahs and the Lamas. God exists in the human mind as an antithesis of ``unconditional human love``. It is a crutch. Time has come to throw away the crutch. There are millions of educated people - who do not go to the church or mosque or temples. According to the Hindu and Muslim zealots they will be in hell (Janhannam or Narak). These books have made this earth a hell.
We should throw the baby with the bath water and also the bath tub - if we really want to understand freedom. Let us learn detachment to gain inner freedom.
#12 Posted by gnh on April 20, 2003 7:35:30 am
#10 by zeemax on April 19, 2003 10:42pm PT
zeemax get real. You wrote: ``This is totally incomprehensible. Is America trying to play God? ``.
To the Americans:
God = Money. Money = Power. The rich in every country are following America. The rich had been sending their offsprings to get educated in America. They invest their money in America.
People have been used as Pawns in the political games all over the world whether the country is Capitalist, Islamic or Democratic - it does not matter. The deck of cards is easy to carry. I think it shows the ingeneuity in communication.
One thing for sure the names on the cards do not indicate that they were honest - and they were working for the best interest of Iraqi people. Those are the people who would sell their own mothers in the Bazzar for MONEY. All the people all over the world will do the same for money. GOD = MONEY = Food, Medicine, Health, Clothings, Housing, Education, Transports, Roads, Telephones, Cars, Marriage (Sex), Children, Birth and Death.
All these require money. I purposely kept ART, LITERATURE, PAINTING, MUSIC out of GOD. These will add confusion to our discussion.
zeemax get real. You wrote: ``This is totally incomprehensible. Is America trying to play God? ``.
To the Americans:
God = Money. Money = Power. The rich in every country are following America. The rich had been sending their offsprings to get educated in America. They invest their money in America.
People have been used as Pawns in the political games all over the world whether the country is Capitalist, Islamic or Democratic - it does not matter. The deck of cards is easy to carry. I think it shows the ingeneuity in communication.
One thing for sure the names on the cards do not indicate that they were honest - and they were working for the best interest of Iraqi people. Those are the people who would sell their own mothers in the Bazzar for MONEY. All the people all over the world will do the same for money. GOD = MONEY = Food, Medicine, Health, Clothings, Housing, Education, Transports, Roads, Telephones, Cars, Marriage (Sex), Children, Birth and Death.
All these require money. I purposely kept ART, LITERATURE, PAINTING, MUSIC out of GOD. These will add confusion to our discussion.
#11 Posted by socrates_soul on April 19, 2003 11:24:40 pm
The humans who were locked up in dark cells by Iraqi regime, all enclosed, no light, no sights, no sounds, no air...Only concrete walls in the dark 6 x 6 cell..….My soul screams as I imagine and I just cannot even imagine this...I have to go out to look at the stars in the open sky.
The souls of those humans screamed continuously... and some were delivered freedom from the imprisonment of the body in form of death. Poor souls that were not rescued by death continued to scream. Adnan’s soul was one of them.
Finally they were delivered. Divine help came in the form of American bombs and soldiers.
So what if some words on paper were burned. Those souls in those dark dungeons can see the stars in the sky again.
The souls of those humans screamed continuously... and some were delivered freedom from the imprisonment of the body in form of death. Poor souls that were not rescued by death continued to scream. Adnan’s soul was one of them.
Finally they were delivered. Divine help came in the form of American bombs and soldiers.
So what if some words on paper were burned. Those souls in those dark dungeons can see the stars in the sky again.
#9 Posted by zeemax on April 19, 2003 10:42:26 pm
#5 by sadna
Sadna forgive me for addressing you after our `phadda`. This article you quoted ...
It would just have taken a single tank in front of the Museum. They didn`t. The Americans instead parked their tanks in front of the Oil Ministry. They could have just imposed a curfew to prevent the looting after occupation. They didn`t. All of the oil fields are `secure` . I know you don`t care much about History but we do. This act on the part of Americans was intentional to destroy whatever they could of Civilization because they want to conjure up another civilization of their liking. Nothing to do with Islam because what they `commissioned` to destroy was pre-Islam and pre-Christianity as well. There were scrolls of the first language (Sumerian) which were either stolen or torn up or burnt, dating back to 7,000 BC.
How callous can a person be?
This is akin to the ransacking of Baghdad by the Mongols in 13th century when all the libraries were put aflame. And Spain`s 800 year heritage later. When Taliban dynamited the Budhas in Bamyan, the whole world was outraged. I don`t hear many voices now except yours when the Americans did the same thing and more? Why is that?
Dear Syed Ali, Yes Qura`ans are burning. But God is watching. Everything that goes around comes around.
Rgds.
Sadna forgive me for addressing you after our `phadda`. This article you quoted ...
It would just have taken a single tank in front of the Museum. They didn`t. The Americans instead parked their tanks in front of the Oil Ministry. They could have just imposed a curfew to prevent the looting after occupation. They didn`t. All of the oil fields are `secure` . I know you don`t care much about History but we do. This act on the part of Americans was intentional to destroy whatever they could of Civilization because they want to conjure up another civilization of their liking. Nothing to do with Islam because what they `commissioned` to destroy was pre-Islam and pre-Christianity as well. There were scrolls of the first language (Sumerian) which were either stolen or torn up or burnt, dating back to 7,000 BC.
How callous can a person be?
This is akin to the ransacking of Baghdad by the Mongols in 13th century when all the libraries were put aflame. And Spain`s 800 year heritage later. When Taliban dynamited the Budhas in Bamyan, the whole world was outraged. I don`t hear many voices now except yours when the Americans did the same thing and more? Why is that?
Dear Syed Ali, Yes Qura`ans are burning. But God is watching. Everything that goes around comes around.
Rgds.
#8 Posted by zeemax on April 19, 2003 10:42:26 pm
People are reduced to a deck of playing cards. Someone is the ace of spades, another is the eight of diamonds who was captured. It`s just a joke for the Americans.
This is totally incomprehensible. Is America trying to play God?
Tauba Nauz`o` Billah. I worry for the well being of the ordinary, friendly and loving Americans.
Rgds
This is totally incomprehensible. Is America trying to play God?
Tauba Nauz`o` Billah. I worry for the well being of the ordinary, friendly and loving Americans.
Rgds
#7 Posted by jay on April 19, 2003 9:29:33 pm
AS civilisations collide,
Oh yeah, koran is burning, so what, if it were not for the death sentence for koran burning, it would have been a daily event in many countries. There was a woman in bombay whi got lynched by the muslims for selling peanuts in allegedly pages of koran, written in alanguage read backwards which she did not know.
Oh yeah, koran is burning, so what, if it were not for the death sentence for koran burning, it would have been a daily event in many countries. There was a woman in bombay whi got lynched by the muslims for selling peanuts in allegedly pages of koran, written in alanguage read backwards which she did not know.
#6 Posted by temporal on April 19, 2003 7:57:31 pm
souchta hooN aksar
gar jal bhee ga`aye
kagaz per raq`m
chund laf`z tou kya
qayamat aa`ee
sadiyouN say humnay
bay wa`fai ki
dil saada, dimagh
ish`q say mubar`ra
jub ooski zaat ka
paas na raha tou
raakh aalooda laf`z
per ashkbari kaisi?
jub bhula dia
zaat-e-bari ko
tou na insaaN banay
na aadmi na haiwaaN
phir kaisa hay yeh
sub rona dhona?
gar jal bhee ga`aye
kagaz per raq`m
chund laf`z tou kya
qayamat aa`ee
sadiyouN say humnay
bay wa`fai ki
dil saada, dimagh
ish`q say mubar`ra
jub ooski zaat ka
paas na raha tou
raakh aalooda laf`z
per ashkbari kaisi?
jub bhula dia
zaat-e-bari ko
tou na insaaN banay
na aadmi na haiwaaN
phir kaisa hay yeh
sub rona dhona?
#5 Posted by kamala on April 19, 2003 7:57:30 pm
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#4 Posted by sadna on April 19, 2003 7:57:30 pm
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/20/opinion/20DOWD.html
Part of Maureen Dowd`s take on it:
``.. In Baghdad, it was Bad Friday. On the Islamic holy day, thousands of Iraqis marched through downtown, shouting for America to ``leave our country.`` Looters, continuing their rampage, stole vials of polio virus from a public health laboratory and set the Information Ministry on fire.
Mullahs were happy to talk — and balk — after suffocating under Saddam. ``You are masters today,`` Sheik Ahmed al-Kubeisy lectured America in one Baghdad mosque. ``But I warn you against thinking of staying. Get out before we force you out.`` (Isn`t this how Osama got started?)
Back here, the neo-cons and war planners were too busy gloating to worry about the ambient sound of civilizations clashing.
Rummy, once a Bechtel Iraqi pipeline booster and now busy planning to load American military bases into Iraq, seemed almost perversely determined to act as though the vandalizing of relics of the birth of civilization was insignificant, something only sissies could cry over.
``It`s the same picture of some person walking out of some building with a vase,`` he said, ``and you see it 20 times and you think, my goodness, were there that many vases? Is it possible that there were that many vases in the whole country?``
The Pentagon could easily have saved the national museum and library if they had redeployed the American troops assigned to guard Ahmad Chalabi, the Richard Perle pal, Pentagon candidate and convicted embezzler who is back in Iraq trying to ingratiate himself with the country he left 40 years ago.
Instead of hectoring those who expressed any doubt about the difficulty of occupying Iraq, the conservatives should worry about their own self-parody: pandering to the base by blessing evangelical Christians who want to proselytize Muslims; protecting their interests by backing a shady expat puppet; pleasing their contributors by pre-emptively awarding rebuilding contracts to Halliburton and Bechtel; and swaggering like Goths as Iraq`s cultural heritage goes up in flames.
Talk about a baptism by fire. ``
Part of Maureen Dowd`s take on it:
``.. In Baghdad, it was Bad Friday. On the Islamic holy day, thousands of Iraqis marched through downtown, shouting for America to ``leave our country.`` Looters, continuing their rampage, stole vials of polio virus from a public health laboratory and set the Information Ministry on fire.
Mullahs were happy to talk — and balk — after suffocating under Saddam. ``You are masters today,`` Sheik Ahmed al-Kubeisy lectured America in one Baghdad mosque. ``But I warn you against thinking of staying. Get out before we force you out.`` (Isn`t this how Osama got started?)
Back here, the neo-cons and war planners were too busy gloating to worry about the ambient sound of civilizations clashing.
Rummy, once a Bechtel Iraqi pipeline booster and now busy planning to load American military bases into Iraq, seemed almost perversely determined to act as though the vandalizing of relics of the birth of civilization was insignificant, something only sissies could cry over.
``It`s the same picture of some person walking out of some building with a vase,`` he said, ``and you see it 20 times and you think, my goodness, were there that many vases? Is it possible that there were that many vases in the whole country?``
The Pentagon could easily have saved the national museum and library if they had redeployed the American troops assigned to guard Ahmad Chalabi, the Richard Perle pal, Pentagon candidate and convicted embezzler who is back in Iraq trying to ingratiate himself with the country he left 40 years ago.
Instead of hectoring those who expressed any doubt about the difficulty of occupying Iraq, the conservatives should worry about their own self-parody: pandering to the base by blessing evangelical Christians who want to proselytize Muslims; protecting their interests by backing a shady expat puppet; pleasing their contributors by pre-emptively awarding rebuilding contracts to Halliburton and Bechtel; and swaggering like Goths as Iraq`s cultural heritage goes up in flames.
Talk about a baptism by fire. ``
#3 Posted by Ally on April 19, 2003 3:52:42 pm
Such is history, it has happened before, and will probably continue to happen, its not just Iraqi heritage, but the world`s heritage...
The Quran should not only reside in libraries or the top shelf of our homes, its lessons, words, and essence should be in the heart, and thats something no one can burn away...
The Quran should not only reside in libraries or the top shelf of our homes, its lessons, words, and essence should be in the heart, and thats something no one can burn away...
#2 Posted by SameerJB on April 19, 2003 1:25:39 pm
The plundering of relics from Babylonian, Sumerian and Akkadian civilizations from Baghdad Museum was the saddest part of anarchy breaking out following the fall of Baghdad.
#1 Posted by kamala on April 19, 2003 12:37:33 pm
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