Zia Ahmed April 18, 2003
#27 Posted by SameerJB on April 19, 2003 1:25:39 pm
dullabhatti:
Two Sikhs were introduced to each other for the first time.
Sikh 1 said: ``you look just like my wife, except for the moustache.``
Sikh 2 replied: ``How come? I don`t even have moustache. I am clean shaven``.
Sikh 1: ``not you, but my wife does.``
Two Sikhs were introduced to each other for the first time.
Sikh 1 said: ``you look just like my wife, except for the moustache.``
Sikh 2 replied: ``How come? I don`t even have moustache. I am clean shaven``.
Sikh 1: ``not you, but my wife does.``
#26 Posted by Ras on April 19, 2003 11:49:34 am
Sad but very true article.
I wish that Pakistanis would notice that while they are indulging in
such name calling, the Banya and the Yahood are far outpacing them
and the Bengali is about to.
In the end the only ``Bhookas`` one can see is the one in the mirror,
all the Tilyars, Akhrots, Daggas, Sindhis and Baluchis.
Ras
#25 Posted by dullabhatti on April 19, 2003 11:49:33 am
TAhamad: The best joke came out during the war goes something like this. Irony is it is a true story.
A Royal Airforce helicoptor was about to land in an area where Marines were camping. As the helicoptor approached Marines took positions and started firing at it. Within few seconds they realized it is their own and stopped but as soon as the helicoptor landed, Brits came storming and started punching and cursing the Marines. A Brit said`` you fu*king yanks..when was the last time you idiots saw an Iraqi on a helicoptor?``
Well..The author and posters have forgot to mention another area of Ethnic jokes in Pakistan(and India)...probably more jokes about Sikhs than any other ethnic group in the region. Some of them are hillarious and I enjoy but I hate when people turn a perfectly normal joke into a Sikh joke because you know it is not a genuine sikh joke but molded for sole purpose of ethnic bashing.
What you call a Sikh boyfriend?
ans: Her-pal Singh.
ps: that reminds me where is our love - Harpreet?
A Royal Airforce helicoptor was about to land in an area where Marines were camping. As the helicoptor approached Marines took positions and started firing at it. Within few seconds they realized it is their own and stopped but as soon as the helicoptor landed, Brits came storming and started punching and cursing the Marines. A Brit said`` you fu*king yanks..when was the last time you idiots saw an Iraqi on a helicoptor?``
Well..The author and posters have forgot to mention another area of Ethnic jokes in Pakistan(and India)...probably more jokes about Sikhs than any other ethnic group in the region. Some of them are hillarious and I enjoy but I hate when people turn a perfectly normal joke into a Sikh joke because you know it is not a genuine sikh joke but molded for sole purpose of ethnic bashing.
What you call a Sikh boyfriend?
ans: Her-pal Singh.
ps: that reminds me where is our love - Harpreet?
#24 Posted by dullabhatti on April 19, 2003 11:49:33 am
I was born nearly 20 years after partition but the gaali of ``yahoodi jiha na howe`` was so popular even amongst Sikhs and Hindus in Punjab that as a kid I thought this must be some kind of ugly looking barbarian people in the next village. Think of it this way Hindus and Sikhs(and Muslims too) of Punjab never had much contact or conflict with the Jews....most probably never saw a real Yahoodi..so the slur must have been invented not by some illiterate villager but by some well traveled and learned person who knew the historical significance of bashing a Jew. Now sikhs and Hindus use it only because it is part of the phrases - without knowing the real significance behind it. Most muslims probably did it for the same reason in the past....post Israel situation is different.
#23 Posted by hamidm2 on April 19, 2003 7:57:10 am
........ and what about the redneck from alabama who thinks loading the dishwasher means getting his wife drunk ..............
#22 Posted by Ajeet on April 19, 2003 7:57:10 am
Hey you all, don`t wallow too much in this self critcism of being racist. This is a human trait and you will find bigots everywhere in the world.You haven`t seen anything until you have seen the racist attitudes of the orientals, the ones you call chhaptas. You think the Arabs don`t think too high of you, wait till you learn what the chinese think of you, or for that matter anybody else in the world.
#20 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on April 19, 2003 6:53:03 am
Our media censors out , either voluntarily or under government advice, any reference to races. I feel that the media should depict the realities.
We should have the ability to laugh at ourselves and at the ideosyncracies of different races. This actually improves the tolerance of diferences in the society.
This issue is universal. There are Irish jokes, Check jokes and Black jokes. But the media does not push them under the rug. It plays them up in a manner that the tolerance level of the society becomes higher and it leads to a more homogenious society.
#19 Posted by shankar on April 19, 2003 6:53:03 am
aw cmaaaan tahmedji !:)
yes; yes...prejudice is something you should be ashamed of as Islam preaches egalitarianism...& yes many Pakistani muslims are anything BUT egalitarian & yes many Pakistanis have given the ``Islamic Republic`` of Pakistan a bad name in the eyes of Allah...& on & on & on...
but but....get a frikkin` life; hahn?!
This is Chowk; not bloomin` Mecca, for Chrissake!
I mean...what is with you ``Ahmed``(s); anyways..?!
I mean...first there was Bilalji (may his soul rest in peace); then YOU & now Zia AHMED...taking a whip & flogging yourself & your kith & kin for being ``human``!!!
Mujhe lagta hai, ki yeh Mia Zia aap ka hi jaatwallah hai!!
I just learnt that the Syeds are direct descendants of the Prophet (pbuh).
Seems to me; you Ahmeds are direct descendants of Allah Himself !!!
Dunno why; but you Ahmeds on Chowk seem to polish Allah`s apple pretty darn well!!
What ``is-special`` mould did Allah make the ``Ahmed`` souls out of?
I will henceforth HUMBLY pray to Almighty to give these Ahmeds a slightly thicker skin...er..because HE made most other human beings (muslims or otherwise) PREJUDICED!! Prejudice is ``hard wired`` into all our minds ...& no religion on earth has been powerful enough to expunge that from our souls.
Its a human FAILING...like greed, lust, envy etc...
OK OK...if that makes you pious monotheists mad...SATAN gave those qualities to humans..OK? (including the pious sand niggers who gave Islam to the world).
Damn it!!! I hate it when I have to agree with that imbecilic 12-headed moron....sigh..even Satan performs miracles; I guess..
I mean... if 12 head personifies an Indian muslim (at least thats the ..er..``persona`` his brainless ``heads`` project on Chowk)...then Pakistani muslims are a million times smarter than their Indian counterparts...And everyonce in a while (blue moon); he makes sense too!....(either that or I`m beginning to get my screw loose for agreeing with #5)!
Yo! I`m a snivelling, cowardly, cunning, devious hindu brahmin dont-wannabe-but-cant-help-it penis god worshipping bhakt!!
And I`m PROUD of it!
and if any of you handsome Pakistani wounded-but-proud lion musalmans have a problem with that..you can KISS my heeng smelling oily ass...
facts are facts guys...you proud Paki musalmans have been getting your sorry butts whupped--again & again by us cunning banyas these past 50+ yrs...eventhough you THINK you are smarter or stronger or handsomer or braver than us....
heheheh..but youre too proud to even publicly ADMIT it!
Pakistanis win the World Cup in ``Excuse mara-oing``; everytime Hindians beat them...ESP in a war!!
Seems like your whole AWAM (but NOT your idiotic Generals) KNOWS it, but juuuust cant bring themselves to admit that you guys are no match for us....
Best of all, even when the rest of the World knows (& says) that compared to Pakistan, India has a much brighter future (which, incidentally isnt saying MUCH)...even if Pakistanis wistfully admit that; they then sigh & declare a MORAL victory over Hindians! HAHAHAHA!!!
It is you AHMEDS who have taught me that Islam is a truely GREAT religion...but Islam`s WORST naseeb is that the disciples of Islam turned out to be..gasp..MUSLIMS!!!!
Comeover to the Hindian side, O yea Ahmeds..our Indian muslims need level headed guys like you. These Pakistani muslims are BEYOND help!!
Cheers!
yes; yes...prejudice is something you should be ashamed of as Islam preaches egalitarianism...& yes many Pakistani muslims are anything BUT egalitarian & yes many Pakistanis have given the ``Islamic Republic`` of Pakistan a bad name in the eyes of Allah...& on & on & on...
but but....get a frikkin` life; hahn?!
This is Chowk; not bloomin` Mecca, for Chrissake!
I mean...what is with you ``Ahmed``(s); anyways..?!
I mean...first there was Bilalji (may his soul rest in peace); then YOU & now Zia AHMED...taking a whip & flogging yourself & your kith & kin for being ``human``!!!
Mujhe lagta hai, ki yeh Mia Zia aap ka hi jaatwallah hai!!
I just learnt that the Syeds are direct descendants of the Prophet (pbuh).
Seems to me; you Ahmeds are direct descendants of Allah Himself !!!
Dunno why; but you Ahmeds on Chowk seem to polish Allah`s apple pretty darn well!!
What ``is-special`` mould did Allah make the ``Ahmed`` souls out of?
I will henceforth HUMBLY pray to Almighty to give these Ahmeds a slightly thicker skin...er..because HE made most other human beings (muslims or otherwise) PREJUDICED!! Prejudice is ``hard wired`` into all our minds ...& no religion on earth has been powerful enough to expunge that from our souls.
Its a human FAILING...like greed, lust, envy etc...
OK OK...if that makes you pious monotheists mad...SATAN gave those qualities to humans..OK? (including the pious sand niggers who gave Islam to the world).
Damn it!!! I hate it when I have to agree with that imbecilic 12-headed moron....sigh..even Satan performs miracles; I guess..
I mean... if 12 head personifies an Indian muslim (at least thats the ..er..``persona`` his brainless ``heads`` project on Chowk)...then Pakistani muslims are a million times smarter than their Indian counterparts...And everyonce in a while (blue moon); he makes sense too!....(either that or I`m beginning to get my screw loose for agreeing with #5)!
Yo! I`m a snivelling, cowardly, cunning, devious hindu brahmin dont-wannabe-but-cant-help-it penis god worshipping bhakt!!
And I`m PROUD of it!
and if any of you handsome Pakistani wounded-but-proud lion musalmans have a problem with that..you can KISS my heeng smelling oily ass...
facts are facts guys...you proud Paki musalmans have been getting your sorry butts whupped--again & again by us cunning banyas these past 50+ yrs...eventhough you THINK you are smarter or stronger or handsomer or braver than us....
heheheh..but youre too proud to even publicly ADMIT it!
Pakistanis win the World Cup in ``Excuse mara-oing``; everytime Hindians beat them...ESP in a war!!
Seems like your whole AWAM (but NOT your idiotic Generals) KNOWS it, but juuuust cant bring themselves to admit that you guys are no match for us....
Best of all, even when the rest of the World knows (& says) that compared to Pakistan, India has a much brighter future (which, incidentally isnt saying MUCH)...even if Pakistanis wistfully admit that; they then sigh & declare a MORAL victory over Hindians! HAHAHAHA!!!
It is you AHMEDS who have taught me that Islam is a truely GREAT religion...but Islam`s WORST naseeb is that the disciples of Islam turned out to be..gasp..MUSLIMS!!!!
Comeover to the Hindian side, O yea Ahmeds..our Indian muslims need level headed guys like you. These Pakistani muslims are BEYOND help!!
Cheers!
#18 Posted by tahmed32 on April 19, 2003 6:53:03 am
ally #15 Actually, I was just trying to be funny when I related these jokes on the pretext of condemning them. More seriously, I agree with you that we should celebrate our different ethnicities in Pakistan, and not look down upon any. I dont care much for people who go around trying to put down other ethnic groups, and it does seem that the folks the writer hangs out with are into this business of insulting other ethnic groups. I cant recall ever saying insulting words like ``Bhuka Bengali`` being used in my family when we were growing up. So, if this goes on a lot in karachi, then I pity those narrow-minded people.
And, even though I am not sure how it fits into the discussion, I wholeheartedly support anyway your idea of a secular Republic of Pakistan. An Islamic State is a contradiction in terms, a concept promoted by mullahs trying to gain power, and this concept has sabotaged our judicial system and would threaten our economic system if we had an economy.
And, even though I am not sure how it fits into the discussion, I wholeheartedly support anyway your idea of a secular Republic of Pakistan. An Islamic State is a contradiction in terms, a concept promoted by mullahs trying to gain power, and this concept has sabotaged our judicial system and would threaten our economic system if we had an economy.
#17 Posted by stuka on April 19, 2003 6:53:02 am
TAhmed: LOL!! hahaha. Now I understand the ``Ibkay maar`` reference of Khamkhwa in the Yashwant Sinha board. Thanks.
I have a feeling that the author is Adnan Rafiq. The Indians will have a field day laughing and agreeing with the author while ignoring their own attirbutes which are similar. Lekin sometimes one has to be watchful that political correctness itself does not go haywire as it has in the states.
I have a feeling that the author is Adnan Rafiq. The Indians will have a field day laughing and agreeing with the author while ignoring their own attirbutes which are similar. Lekin sometimes one has to be watchful that political correctness itself does not go haywire as it has in the states.
#16 Posted by Ally on April 18, 2003 9:47:14 pm
#6 tahmed
`referred to as a mattarwa by these damned northern barbarians` do you mean the Punjabi ppl, cause we are north of Sindh, if thats who you mean its seems hypocritical of you to condemn these jokes but speak of others in such a derogatory manner...
from all over India we ended up in Pakistan, Pakistan is a cultural mish mash of local ppl along with Indian origin ppl, South, North, East, West Indians came here in 1947, it is inevitable that there will be some kind of friction, however now we have all become (or should have become) Pakistani, and one of the many ways to rid ourselves of this racism is to look to the Pakistani identity. We should all still be very Punjabi, Bihari, Sindhi, Balochi waghera waghera, but realise that we are part of the same nation, and EQUALS in this nation just as (in theory at least) Indians are very Punjabi, Bihari, Sindhi, Balochi waghera waghera but realise that they are part of India, for the supposed greater good of everyone within the Indian union.
Your not giving one identity prominence over the other, just giving each identity its rightful place. As Punjabi, i could demand that we break away from Pakistan and join with Indian Punjab to become some kind of Punjabi nation, but that would be stupid, and unrealistic. It would make more sense to accept reality, make the best out of what we have and respect the nation and ALL its ppl, that now we find ourselves in.
Maybe we should stop being unhappy with the fact that we had to come here and mix with `others` and that the `others` should go back to where they came from i.e. India. Maybe we should remember that we all came here with the same majboori, and that the founding principle was EQUALITY FOR ALL. Maybe a secular Republic of Pakistan isn`t such a bad idea!
`referred to as a mattarwa by these damned northern barbarians` do you mean the Punjabi ppl, cause we are north of Sindh, if thats who you mean its seems hypocritical of you to condemn these jokes but speak of others in such a derogatory manner...
from all over India we ended up in Pakistan, Pakistan is a cultural mish mash of local ppl along with Indian origin ppl, South, North, East, West Indians came here in 1947, it is inevitable that there will be some kind of friction, however now we have all become (or should have become) Pakistani, and one of the many ways to rid ourselves of this racism is to look to the Pakistani identity. We should all still be very Punjabi, Bihari, Sindhi, Balochi waghera waghera, but realise that we are part of the same nation, and EQUALS in this nation just as (in theory at least) Indians are very Punjabi, Bihari, Sindhi, Balochi waghera waghera but realise that they are part of India, for the supposed greater good of everyone within the Indian union.
Your not giving one identity prominence over the other, just giving each identity its rightful place. As Punjabi, i could demand that we break away from Pakistan and join with Indian Punjab to become some kind of Punjabi nation, but that would be stupid, and unrealistic. It would make more sense to accept reality, make the best out of what we have and respect the nation and ALL its ppl, that now we find ourselves in.
Maybe we should stop being unhappy with the fact that we had to come here and mix with `others` and that the `others` should go back to where they came from i.e. India. Maybe we should remember that we all came here with the same majboori, and that the founding principle was EQUALITY FOR ALL. Maybe a secular Republic of Pakistan isn`t such a bad idea!
#14 Posted by slacker on April 18, 2003 7:23:00 pm
Zia Ahmed: Great read. You wrote a lot of aspects that I also believe are true about our ``pure`` Pakistani society. Anti-``Yahoodi``-ism is the best, as if Pakistanis have become the world leaders in knowledge about Jews, their history, and all the `Jewish conspiracies` manifesting themselves everywhere.
Needless to say, you haven`t mentioned how living in mutli-ethnic communities in the US, Canada, and the UK, we don`t think twice about insulting ``chaptas`` and ``kaala kachras`` - yet decry when anyone foists dicrimination in our direction.
The hardest pill to swallow for Pakistanis is that we really don`t matter to the rest of the Muslim world. We sit there on a high horse thinking we`re the vanguards of this grand Muslim ummah, when the average Arab probably could give a crap less if India invaded Pakistan and annhilated everybody. We`ve turned into a nation of anti-Jews because we feel a ``kinship`` to the Palestinians. How many Arabs feel a kinship to Kashmiris? How many Arabs, Iranians, and Afghans are anti-Indian or anti-Hindu because of this conflict? The answer is a miniscule number.
Some day we`ll learn. Until then, no matter how educated we are - with each racist statement, we`re on the same level as a `white trash` redneck from the Appalachians.
Needless to say, you haven`t mentioned how living in mutli-ethnic communities in the US, Canada, and the UK, we don`t think twice about insulting ``chaptas`` and ``kaala kachras`` - yet decry when anyone foists dicrimination in our direction.
The hardest pill to swallow for Pakistanis is that we really don`t matter to the rest of the Muslim world. We sit there on a high horse thinking we`re the vanguards of this grand Muslim ummah, when the average Arab probably could give a crap less if India invaded Pakistan and annhilated everybody. We`ve turned into a nation of anti-Jews because we feel a ``kinship`` to the Palestinians. How many Arabs feel a kinship to Kashmiris? How many Arabs, Iranians, and Afghans are anti-Indian or anti-Hindu because of this conflict? The answer is a miniscule number.
Some day we`ll learn. Until then, no matter how educated we are - with each racist statement, we`re on the same level as a `white trash` redneck from the Appalachians.
#13 Posted by kamala on April 18, 2003 7:23:00 pm
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#12 Posted by tahmed32 on April 18, 2003 6:29:21 pm
dullabhatti #8 Just as I most vigorously condemn such ethnic jokes about Zia sahib`s karachi people, I equally vehemently condemn application of this joke to the Arabs.
Also, I condemn that joke about the Arab tank that comes in one gear only, the reverse gear.
And the one about the Egyptian division that sees a lone Israeli soldier in the distance, and sends a company to fight him. And, as this most offensive joke goes, after an hour one Egyptian comes limping back and says ``It was a trap. There were TWO of them!.
If you or anyone else knows of any ethnic jokes, please post them so they may be vehemently condemned as well.
Also, I condemn that joke about the Arab tank that comes in one gear only, the reverse gear.
And the one about the Egyptian division that sees a lone Israeli soldier in the distance, and sends a company to fight him. And, as this most offensive joke goes, after an hour one Egyptian comes limping back and says ``It was a trap. There were TWO of them!.
If you or anyone else knows of any ethnic jokes, please post them so they may be vehemently condemned as well.
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