Pakistan Today
Nadeem Akram April 21, 2003
#40 Posted by tahmed32 on April 23, 2003 12:28:53 pm
dost mittar: Incidentally, read rsaxena #37 below, or jay, to see how some interactors, unlike Ali1, are incapable of improving their personalities. I guess these individuals are all shi!t, and so are incapable of shedding any, even after two or three years.
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#39 Posted by Roshan on April 23, 2003 10:53:54 am
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#38 Posted by nadeemakr on April 23, 2003 10:38:15 am
stuka:
Why are we all so obssessed with who is who? If India thinks that it can become a super power and a member of SC, it is as mistaken as Pakistan is when she claims to be invincible.
Let us face it, we as people, united India was never a force to reckon with throughout our know history. Invaders have plundered us, hacked us and took away our wealth, because we as a race have been always docile, divided and fragmented.
The honor stories of the Rajputs and Mussalaman fighters defending our frontiers are just stories for our history books; the fact remains that this part of the world has been violated by most invaders that that of any part of the world, thanks to our impotence and our lack of desire to defend ourselves.
Neither Indians nor Pakistanis have any history or national character to fall back on. So whether it is the Mullah or Safron clad Pundit, they are all interested in their own well being that that of their followers. I am sure that neither the leader of militant Hindu leaders nor the swashbuckiling Mullahs will ever make it to the battlefront. It would be the idiots, the brain washed imbeciles from Potohar in Pakistan, and the Gorkhas in India who would be shedding their blood in the name of religion.
So grow up and face the realities; we as people of the same descent must look inwards and not look for outside help. Just imagine the kind of economic pressure we as a region can exert on the ``industralized world`` if we were to work in unison, with Bangladesh and Sri Lanka for that matter.
Strength in numbers my dear, think about it!
Why are we all so obssessed with who is who? If India thinks that it can become a super power and a member of SC, it is as mistaken as Pakistan is when she claims to be invincible.
Let us face it, we as people, united India was never a force to reckon with throughout our know history. Invaders have plundered us, hacked us and took away our wealth, because we as a race have been always docile, divided and fragmented.
The honor stories of the Rajputs and Mussalaman fighters defending our frontiers are just stories for our history books; the fact remains that this part of the world has been violated by most invaders that that of any part of the world, thanks to our impotence and our lack of desire to defend ourselves.
Neither Indians nor Pakistanis have any history or national character to fall back on. So whether it is the Mullah or Safron clad Pundit, they are all interested in their own well being that that of their followers. I am sure that neither the leader of militant Hindu leaders nor the swashbuckiling Mullahs will ever make it to the battlefront. It would be the idiots, the brain washed imbeciles from Potohar in Pakistan, and the Gorkhas in India who would be shedding their blood in the name of religion.
So grow up and face the realities; we as people of the same descent must look inwards and not look for outside help. Just imagine the kind of economic pressure we as a region can exert on the ``industralized world`` if we were to work in unison, with Bangladesh and Sri Lanka for that matter.
Strength in numbers my dear, think about it!
#37 Posted by rsaxena on April 23, 2003 10:38:15 am
re: dost-mittar
{The performance of KSE is no fluke but the result of hard work and bold initiatives. }
...or alternatively, handouts from the US in the form of loan forgiveness...bitter tonic, indeed...
{The performance of KSE is no fluke but the result of hard work and bold initiatives. }
...or alternatively, handouts from the US in the form of loan forgiveness...bitter tonic, indeed...
#36 Posted by tahmed32 on April 23, 2003 10:38:15 am
dost mittar #34 Ali1 has definitely grown up over the past couple of years that I have had the pleasure (if that is the word) of his company on chowk, while retaining his humor (if that is the word, and realizing that his specialty is toilet and sexual matters). Here is a link to a fine piece of humor from him that I am providing for the reading pleasure of you and stuka: http://63.194.130.82/cgi-bin/show_article.cgi?aid=00002113&channel=chaathouse&start=10&end=19&page=2&chapter=1#31
The joke in the link above is about panjabis, of course, as is to be expected from Ali1, inbetween his targetting of hindu gods. But I am sure being panjabis in good standing, you and stuka will find it funny as I did. One day Ali1 will mature even further than he already has, and tell us a few good ones about his own crowd - the mattarwas of karachi - but for now this is fine.
The joke in the link above is about panjabis, of course, as is to be expected from Ali1, inbetween his targetting of hindu gods. But I am sure being panjabis in good standing, you and stuka will find it funny as I did. One day Ali1 will mature even further than he already has, and tell us a few good ones about his own crowd - the mattarwas of karachi - but for now this is fine.
#35 Posted by stuka on April 23, 2003 9:05:44 am
His Excellency:
``The greatest threat to peace in sub-continent comes from BJP itself, and not the Pak Army or mullahs. BJP has languished for 42 years in opposition. ``
That is a load of bull. The Mullah Khaki nexus has been ruling Pakistan for the past 25 yrs. The BJP has come to power in the past 5 yrs. Why were the problems not solved earlier?
Why did Paki sponsored terrorists inflict Bomb blasts in Bombay? Coz of BJP?
In terms of Pakistan, and foreign policy in general, there is no conflict between the various Indian parties, be it BJP, Congress of Janata Dal.
You have to sort out your unified way of governance and foreign policy paradigms. Not us.
``The greatest threat to peace in sub-continent comes from BJP itself, and not the Pak Army or mullahs. BJP has languished for 42 years in opposition. ``
That is a load of bull. The Mullah Khaki nexus has been ruling Pakistan for the past 25 yrs. The BJP has come to power in the past 5 yrs. Why were the problems not solved earlier?
Why did Paki sponsored terrorists inflict Bomb blasts in Bombay? Coz of BJP?
In terms of Pakistan, and foreign policy in general, there is no conflict between the various Indian parties, be it BJP, Congress of Janata Dal.
You have to sort out your unified way of governance and foreign policy paradigms. Not us.
#34 Posted by jay on April 23, 2003 6:40:26 am
TODAY`S PAKISTAN,
The following letter from dawn of today summarises the pak mind set. This poor man wants the traditional roti kapda stuff, but cannot dare to say that in pakistan, he has to be under a psuedonym. He knows that for the army and the jihadits and the true islamic pakistanis, it is heaven that is the most important, jihad.
That is the reason the schools are closed and madrassas allowed to flourish, that is the reason for the biggest social event of pakistan is the lasker meetings at mardike attended by a million or more and that is why the ilks of tahmed refuse to say that killing of kafirs is not a jihadic requirement to go to heaven.
What common man wants
The common man wants peace, stability, prosperity, respect, freedom and to be treated as a human being. The list can go on and on as to what the common man wants and what he has been yearning for since 1947.
Yet every day, since the creation of Pakistan, the common man has not seen his dream come true. Who is to be blamed? The rulers, the bureaucrats, the ministers or the generals? Well, I will put the blame squarely on the common man himself! Wake up, the common man. Destiny is made, not dreamed of.
A COMMON MAN
Karachi
The following letter from dawn of today summarises the pak mind set. This poor man wants the traditional roti kapda stuff, but cannot dare to say that in pakistan, he has to be under a psuedonym. He knows that for the army and the jihadits and the true islamic pakistanis, it is heaven that is the most important, jihad.
That is the reason the schools are closed and madrassas allowed to flourish, that is the reason for the biggest social event of pakistan is the lasker meetings at mardike attended by a million or more and that is why the ilks of tahmed refuse to say that killing of kafirs is not a jihadic requirement to go to heaven.
What common man wants
The common man wants peace, stability, prosperity, respect, freedom and to be treated as a human being. The list can go on and on as to what the common man wants and what he has been yearning for since 1947.
Yet every day, since the creation of Pakistan, the common man has not seen his dream come true. Who is to be blamed? The rulers, the bureaucrats, the ministers or the generals? Well, I will put the blame squarely on the common man himself! Wake up, the common man. Destiny is made, not dreamed of.
A COMMON MAN
Karachi
#33 Posted by rsaxena on April 23, 2003 6:40:26 am
re: roshan
{The good news about Pakistan`s stock markets is not surprising, when one
looks at who`s really running it.}
...stock market?...hahaha....with rising poverty, unemployment, and illiteracy, you are jumping up and down about market noise in your manipulated stock market?...dude, give up these delusions and focus on reality...
{The good news about Pakistan`s stock markets is not surprising, when one
looks at who`s really running it.}
...stock market?...hahaha....with rising poverty, unemployment, and illiteracy, you are jumping up and down about market noise in your manipulated stock market?...dude, give up these delusions and focus on reality...
#32 Posted by septran on April 23, 2003 6:40:26 am
only trouble with shiekh rashid is he goes in neutral gear,otherwise he is a good worker for people.he is ready to serve masses even in mid night.he is at par with sinha
#31 Posted by dost_mittar on April 23, 2003 6:40:26 am
ali1:
Good to see you back. You are a bright poster with a biting sense of humour even though your anti-feminine humour sometimes irks some of us buzurg-types.
Vajpayee is respected internationally more than Musharraf? That`s news. India, maybe, but certainly not that wobbly balloon!
Ali1, arjunm and Roshan:
The performance of KSE is no fluke but the result of hard work and bold initiatives. Musharraf`s finance minister took some very bold actions four years ago which could only be taken by someone not answerable to masses. The medicine, though bitter, was necessary. It created all kinds of difficulties in the short run; there was a flight of capital from Pakistan and the rupee value plunged. But the long run result has been there to see.
And the fortune favours the brave. September 11 came as a godsend for Pakistan. Musharraf`s strategic about-turn, which again could not have been possible without a dictator at the helm, has indeed paid rich dividends and has provided the right kind of tonic after the bitter medicine administered by Aziz.
Good to see you back. You are a bright poster with a biting sense of humour even though your anti-feminine humour sometimes irks some of us buzurg-types.
Vajpayee is respected internationally more than Musharraf? That`s news. India, maybe, but certainly not that wobbly balloon!
Ali1, arjunm and Roshan:
The performance of KSE is no fluke but the result of hard work and bold initiatives. Musharraf`s finance minister took some very bold actions four years ago which could only be taken by someone not answerable to masses. The medicine, though bitter, was necessary. It created all kinds of difficulties in the short run; there was a flight of capital from Pakistan and the rupee value plunged. But the long run result has been there to see.
And the fortune favours the brave. September 11 came as a godsend for Pakistan. Musharraf`s strategic about-turn, which again could not have been possible without a dictator at the helm, has indeed paid rich dividends and has provided the right kind of tonic after the bitter medicine administered by Aziz.
#30 Posted by arjun_m on April 22, 2003 9:45:34 pm
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#29 Posted by tahmed32 on April 22, 2003 9:45:34 pm
ali1 #22 ``As far as Pakistan`s image is concerned, have you wondered why a Hindi speaking dhoti clad Bagpipe is respected more around the world than you suited-booted English speaking General? (Hint: one of them is elected) ``
Quite true. Now someone break this news to Romair.
Quite true. Now someone break this news to Romair.
#28 Posted by Roshan on April 22, 2003 6:46:29 pm
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#27 Posted by Roshan on April 22, 2003 6:46:29 pm
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#26 Posted by jay on April 22, 2003 5:15:04 pm
EVOLUTION OF PAK GOVERNANCE,
Pakistan and india inherited the same governance model, but the creation of pakistan on the TNT principle set in motion an alternate world view. This notion steeped in the principle of kafirs and the treatments of them, politically operationalised through the call for ``direct action` marked the turning point. When pakistan was created it had 10 percent kafirs in the west, the ethnic cleansing through the jihadic priciples found this reduce to less than 2 percent today.
The socila change initiated by the jihadic organisation s culminated in the renaming of pakistan to islamic republic of pakistan in 1970. The education system was fundamntally changed on the k for kafir priciples and finally mushy has integrated the jihadists with the military. Other political organisations with out a religious base has been banished from the pak society by mushy and now it is the jihadic republic of pakillstan. The number of honour killings, car jacking and other forms of violence which emerge from the kill doctrine of the jihadits have flourished.
With in 100 days of taking over pakistan, mushy invited the killer of samia sarwar to his office to reaffirm his support for honour killings. It is time that the ilks if tahmed rejoice at the creation of a true pakistan in line with its founding principles.
Pakistan and india inherited the same governance model, but the creation of pakistan on the TNT principle set in motion an alternate world view. This notion steeped in the principle of kafirs and the treatments of them, politically operationalised through the call for ``direct action` marked the turning point. When pakistan was created it had 10 percent kafirs in the west, the ethnic cleansing through the jihadic priciples found this reduce to less than 2 percent today.
The socila change initiated by the jihadic organisation s culminated in the renaming of pakistan to islamic republic of pakistan in 1970. The education system was fundamntally changed on the k for kafir priciples and finally mushy has integrated the jihadists with the military. Other political organisations with out a religious base has been banished from the pak society by mushy and now it is the jihadic republic of pakillstan. The number of honour killings, car jacking and other forms of violence which emerge from the kill doctrine of the jihadits have flourished.
With in 100 days of taking over pakistan, mushy invited the killer of samia sarwar to his office to reaffirm his support for honour killings. It is time that the ilks if tahmed rejoice at the creation of a true pakistan in line with its founding principles.
#25 Posted by arjun_m on April 22, 2003 4:37:41 pm
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