Pakistan Today
Nadeem Akram April 21, 2003
#24 Posted by taimurmalik on April 22, 2003 3:57:54 pm
nadeemakr #18:
hey you don`t have to worry sorry.Zeemax is referring to the India-Pakistan Conflict Timeline that he has quoted in his post :)
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#23 Posted by HisExcellency on April 22, 2003 3:57:54 pm
I find nothing wrong with the statements of Sheikh Rashid or Chaudhry Shujaat. They snubbed Yashwant Sinha for making inflammatory speeches. This battle of rhetoric is part and parcel of politics. It is regrettable the Pakistani politicians are being more sensible (barring a few exceptions) than the BJP-wallahs (no exceptions).
The BJP has realized that the Gujrat experiment worked wonders for them in state elections. Communalism is their only ticket to power in India. On all other counts, they have disappointed the Indian electorate. They promised an end to corruption, continuation of economic reforms, and resolution of Kashmir issue. On all three major promises, their record has been mediocre at best.
The greatest threat to peace in sub-continent comes from BJP itself, and not the Pak Army or mullahs. BJP has languished for 42 years in opposition. Now the corrupting influence of power is compelling them to perpetuate tensions with Pakistan and against Indian Muslims.
As for Pakistani politicians, the less said the better. Unfortunately the military men have also not fared better. Every body wants absolute power and a meek judiciary/press/parliament when they are in power.
The Pakistani people on the other hand have always hated one-man-rule. Everybody who became too big for his shoes, lost popularity.
Ayub Khan promised economic freedoms. And imposed basic democracies, 1962 constitution, his lewd sons, 22 industrial families, anti-Bengali racism and press controls on the country. His coup was welcomed, but in less than 3 years euphoria turned to opposition. Fatima Jinnah`s election campaign in 1964 highlighted this. She won resounding support in East Pak and West Pak. Despite massive rigging, she managed to put up a tough fight.
Bhutto and Mujib were cheered by the masses for their pro-democracy stance. But these two were no democrats at heart. Both Bhutto and Mujib became civilian dictators and lost their popularity.
The coups led by Zia-ul-Haq and Hossain M. Ershad were welcomed in both Pakistan and Bangladesh. But once again, the hunger for absolute power ruined the dream.
Same story repeated with Benazir, Nawaz, Benazir II and Nawaz II. Alas, Musharraf has also fallen for the thirst of power. He now wants to become Army Chief, President and Chief of NSC at the same time. One man will decide whether 150 million Pakistanis have a right to elect Mr. X or Mr. Y as Prime Minister. Musharraf`s approval is needed for Supreme Court appointments, provincial governership, cricket board, airlines management, and even the electricity board. The army corps commanders are unhappy with him because he is tarnishing the army`s image with his political games.
Musharraf should take his uniform off. I am sure the politicians will let him stay on as ceremonial head for another 5 years.
The BJP has realized that the Gujrat experiment worked wonders for them in state elections. Communalism is their only ticket to power in India. On all other counts, they have disappointed the Indian electorate. They promised an end to corruption, continuation of economic reforms, and resolution of Kashmir issue. On all three major promises, their record has been mediocre at best.
The greatest threat to peace in sub-continent comes from BJP itself, and not the Pak Army or mullahs. BJP has languished for 42 years in opposition. Now the corrupting influence of power is compelling them to perpetuate tensions with Pakistan and against Indian Muslims.
As for Pakistani politicians, the less said the better. Unfortunately the military men have also not fared better. Every body wants absolute power and a meek judiciary/press/parliament when they are in power.
The Pakistani people on the other hand have always hated one-man-rule. Everybody who became too big for his shoes, lost popularity.
Ayub Khan promised economic freedoms. And imposed basic democracies, 1962 constitution, his lewd sons, 22 industrial families, anti-Bengali racism and press controls on the country. His coup was welcomed, but in less than 3 years euphoria turned to opposition. Fatima Jinnah`s election campaign in 1964 highlighted this. She won resounding support in East Pak and West Pak. Despite massive rigging, she managed to put up a tough fight.
Bhutto and Mujib were cheered by the masses for their pro-democracy stance. But these two were no democrats at heart. Both Bhutto and Mujib became civilian dictators and lost their popularity.
The coups led by Zia-ul-Haq and Hossain M. Ershad were welcomed in both Pakistan and Bangladesh. But once again, the hunger for absolute power ruined the dream.
Same story repeated with Benazir, Nawaz, Benazir II and Nawaz II. Alas, Musharraf has also fallen for the thirst of power. He now wants to become Army Chief, President and Chief of NSC at the same time. One man will decide whether 150 million Pakistanis have a right to elect Mr. X or Mr. Y as Prime Minister. Musharraf`s approval is needed for Supreme Court appointments, provincial governership, cricket board, airlines management, and even the electricity board. The army corps commanders are unhappy with him because he is tarnishing the army`s image with his political games.
Musharraf should take his uniform off. I am sure the politicians will let him stay on as ceremonial head for another 5 years.
#22 Posted by ali_1 on April 22, 2003 2:30:44 pm
Tough luck Nadeem. If Sheikh Rashid and Chaudry Shujaat don`t come up to your elitist standards than its your problem not theirs. Representative democracy is a biatch, isnt it? NA-56 Rawalpindi will always elect a Sheikh Rashid Ahmed and never a Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
As far as Pakistan`s image is concerned, have you wondered why a Hindi speaking dhoti clad Bagpipe is respected more around the world than you suited-booted English speaking General? (Hint: one of them is elected)
Finally, tell me why should the opinion of a single person, i.e. you, carry more weight than the opinion of hundreds of thousands of voters who elected Rashid and Shujaat to the assembly?
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arjun_m: seems like you are mutton fan. I would like to feed you some ``Gol Boti`` and ``Kapooras``, whenever you are ready ;-)
As far as Pakistan`s image is concerned, have you wondered why a Hindi speaking dhoti clad Bagpipe is respected more around the world than you suited-booted English speaking General? (Hint: one of them is elected)
Finally, tell me why should the opinion of a single person, i.e. you, carry more weight than the opinion of hundreds of thousands of voters who elected Rashid and Shujaat to the assembly?
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arjun_m: seems like you are mutton fan. I would like to feed you some ``Gol Boti`` and ``Kapooras``, whenever you are ready ;-)
#21 Posted by Zakkk on April 22, 2003 2:15:15 pm
Whats wrong with Pakistani leaders, why do they absolutely beliee they are indispensable?
#20 Posted by arjun_m on April 22, 2003 1:49:26 pm
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#19 Posted by temporal on April 22, 2003 12:24:41 pm
#13 by arjun_m:
know any paki restaurant in the DC area serving up this dish?
(...i know of at least one...used to be in upper NW....about 3 miles from dupont circle...)
but can i say something first?...don`t go there and eat hareesa...all that halaal meat would make you lose your anti-pak bite...
;)
rgds,
t
know any paki restaurant in the DC area serving up this dish?
(...i know of at least one...used to be in upper NW....about 3 miles from dupont circle...)
but can i say something first?...don`t go there and eat hareesa...all that halaal meat would make you lose your anti-pak bite...
;)
rgds,
t
#18 Posted by nadeemakr on April 22, 2003 10:39:25 am
Zeemax I dont watch CNN tell me where have I stolen it from?
#17 Posted by zeemax on April 22, 2003 10:07:34 am
Stolen shamelessly from CNN.
``As two nations united by history but divided by destiny, India and Pakistan are almost like two estranged siblings.
Their rivalries over five decades have prevented both countries from realizing their full economic and geopolitical potential.
The two countries have fought three wars, two of them over the disputed region of Kashmir.
The region is small, but nestled in the foothills of the Himalayas its strategic importance and beauty make it a prized possession.
August 15, 1947: India and Pakistan gain independence from Britain.
October 27, 1947: Kashmir becomes part of India.
1948: India and Pakistan go to war over Kashmir and finally agree to withdraw all troops behind a mutually agreed ceasefire line, later known as the Line of Control.
1965: India and Pakistan at war again over Kashmir. The war ends when both countries decide to adopt a UN-sponsored resolution to stick to the Line of Control.
1972: India and Pakistan agree to work bilaterally rather than via international forums. The two sides also agree to respect the Line of Control until the issue is resolved.
1974: India detonates its first nuclear device beneath the Rajasthan desert.
1998: India conducts five underground nuclear tests near the Pakistani border. Pakistan responds with its own series of nuclear tests.
1999: The Indian Army patrols detect intruders on Kargil ridges in Kashmir and India fights to regain lost territory. Two months later Pakistani and Indian military officials agree to end the fighting in the region and disengage their forces.
May 2001: India ends a six-month military ceasefire against Islamic guerillas in Kashmir while also inviting Pakistani military ruler, General Pervez Musharraf, to peace talks.
July 14-16, 2001: Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf and Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee meet in Agra, India for a three-day summit but the talks fail to produce a joint statement on Kashmir.
August 2001: India imposes an indefinite curfew in Jammu as tension runs high in the city after the massacre of 11 people at a railway station.
October 2001: Militants attack the Kashmiri assembly in Srinagar, leaving 38 people dead. Kashmir chief minister Farooq Abdullah urges the Indian government to launch a crackdown on militant training camps across the border in Pakistan.
December 2001: Unidentified men attack the Indian parliament in New Delhi. Fourteen people are killed, including the five assailants.
January 2002: The row over the parliament attack triggers military build-up, diplomatic sanctions, and closure of transport links between the two nations. India`s army chief says the nation is ready for war.
May 2002: Tension dramatically increases, prompting an intense international diplomatic effort to avert war between the two nuclear-armed rivals.
October 2002: Four rounds of polls to choose a new state administration conclude in Indian-controlled Kashmir. About 500 people are killed during the blood-soaked election campaign.
January 2003: India`s defense minister says that India could easily absorb a nuclear hit, whereas Pakistan would ``cease to exist.`` Pakistan`s information minister retorts that India would learn a `historic and unforgettable lesson` in such scenario.
February 2003: India says it has shot down an unmanned Pakistani spy plane that has intruded into Indian airspace in Kashmir, as a top Indian official says he is ready and willing to hold talks with Pakistan over Kashmir.``
When will it end?
Rgds
``As two nations united by history but divided by destiny, India and Pakistan are almost like two estranged siblings.
Their rivalries over five decades have prevented both countries from realizing their full economic and geopolitical potential.
The two countries have fought three wars, two of them over the disputed region of Kashmir.
The region is small, but nestled in the foothills of the Himalayas its strategic importance and beauty make it a prized possession.
August 15, 1947: India and Pakistan gain independence from Britain.
October 27, 1947: Kashmir becomes part of India.
1948: India and Pakistan go to war over Kashmir and finally agree to withdraw all troops behind a mutually agreed ceasefire line, later known as the Line of Control.
1965: India and Pakistan at war again over Kashmir. The war ends when both countries decide to adopt a UN-sponsored resolution to stick to the Line of Control.
1972: India and Pakistan agree to work bilaterally rather than via international forums. The two sides also agree to respect the Line of Control until the issue is resolved.
1974: India detonates its first nuclear device beneath the Rajasthan desert.
1998: India conducts five underground nuclear tests near the Pakistani border. Pakistan responds with its own series of nuclear tests.
1999: The Indian Army patrols detect intruders on Kargil ridges in Kashmir and India fights to regain lost territory. Two months later Pakistani and Indian military officials agree to end the fighting in the region and disengage their forces.
May 2001: India ends a six-month military ceasefire against Islamic guerillas in Kashmir while also inviting Pakistani military ruler, General Pervez Musharraf, to peace talks.
July 14-16, 2001: Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf and Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee meet in Agra, India for a three-day summit but the talks fail to produce a joint statement on Kashmir.
August 2001: India imposes an indefinite curfew in Jammu as tension runs high in the city after the massacre of 11 people at a railway station.
October 2001: Militants attack the Kashmiri assembly in Srinagar, leaving 38 people dead. Kashmir chief minister Farooq Abdullah urges the Indian government to launch a crackdown on militant training camps across the border in Pakistan.
December 2001: Unidentified men attack the Indian parliament in New Delhi. Fourteen people are killed, including the five assailants.
January 2002: The row over the parliament attack triggers military build-up, diplomatic sanctions, and closure of transport links between the two nations. India`s army chief says the nation is ready for war.
May 2002: Tension dramatically increases, prompting an intense international diplomatic effort to avert war between the two nuclear-armed rivals.
October 2002: Four rounds of polls to choose a new state administration conclude in Indian-controlled Kashmir. About 500 people are killed during the blood-soaked election campaign.
January 2003: India`s defense minister says that India could easily absorb a nuclear hit, whereas Pakistan would ``cease to exist.`` Pakistan`s information minister retorts that India would learn a `historic and unforgettable lesson` in such scenario.
February 2003: India says it has shot down an unmanned Pakistani spy plane that has intruded into Indian airspace in Kashmir, as a top Indian official says he is ready and willing to hold talks with Pakistan over Kashmir.``
When will it end?
Rgds
#16 Posted by bat on April 22, 2003 10:07:34 am
I don`t think the writer is talking about the Qabacha played by Behroz Sabzwari. Tanhaiyan aired in the late 80`s and the writer refers to a 70`s play.
#15 Posted by Pardaisi on April 22, 2003 10:07:34 am
Jay-Gay,
You are back! with more venom for Pakistanis.
A hateful person, Negative all the time whenever he opens his mouth, Cant find happiness in anything he does, overall, probably a border line manic depressive thinking about Pakistan`s welfare(yeah right), on top of that he ``Jay-Gay`` does not play by the rules... Wink! Wink!
How do you function in life with all of the above mentioned problems (maybe more) you have???? Why not get help ?
You are back! with more venom for Pakistanis.
A hateful person, Negative all the time whenever he opens his mouth, Cant find happiness in anything he does, overall, probably a border line manic depressive thinking about Pakistan`s welfare(yeah right), on top of that he ``Jay-Gay`` does not play by the rules... Wink! Wink!
How do you function in life with all of the above mentioned problems (maybe more) you have???? Why not get help ?
#14 Posted by nadeemakr on April 22, 2003 10:07:34 am
Aquaris: u r right about hasnat and qbascha bu this is not about them it is about Pakistan and not about npt-pakistan
#13 Posted by arjun_m on April 22, 2003 8:43:14 am
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#12 Posted by rsridhar on April 22, 2003 7:09:07 am
re:#10 by nazarhayatkhan
``After 9/11. Afghanistan and Iraq, please do not let US play one country against the other.``
Well said. But, nations, like individuals, take time to evolve. The evolution is as much spiritual as it is intellectual. It took Europe many centuries of war to realize that war is a terrible, terrible thing. What is it going to take Pak and India to realize how bad the next war (if it happens at all) is going to be? Previous wars had not involved civilians. Neither country possessed nuclear capability during previous wars.
Irresponsible statements emanating from both sides of the border makes one wonder if the politicians/ military analysts have learnt any lessons at all.
Sridhar
``After 9/11. Afghanistan and Iraq, please do not let US play one country against the other.``
Well said. But, nations, like individuals, take time to evolve. The evolution is as much spiritual as it is intellectual. It took Europe many centuries of war to realize that war is a terrible, terrible thing. What is it going to take Pak and India to realize how bad the next war (if it happens at all) is going to be? Previous wars had not involved civilians. Neither country possessed nuclear capability during previous wars.
Irresponsible statements emanating from both sides of the border makes one wonder if the politicians/ military analysts have learnt any lessons at all.
Sridhar
#11 Posted by rozaiba on April 22, 2003 7:09:07 am
qabacha. a comical charactor who can do no right in 80`s drama serial `tanhaiyaan`. behroz subzwari hasn`t been able to grow out of the impression of that role.
harisa. a dish made after mixing different meat and cooking it for a long period of time. nice and heavy. specialty in areas of old city lahore.
harisa. a dish made after mixing different meat and cooking it for a long period of time. nice and heavy. specialty in areas of old city lahore.
#10 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on April 22, 2003 6:43:08 am
Musharraf`s end game has started. He could have faded out honourably. But our leaders never learn.
Like others, he thinks he is also irreplaceable. And can not understand that Army Chief can not be looking over the shoulders of the Parliament in a civilized world.
The Army did not let our earlier leaders normalize relations with India. Now India has offered its hand of friendship. Both nations must get back to normal relations.
After 9/11. Afghanistan and Iraq, please do not let US play one country against the other.
#9 Posted by aquaris on April 22, 2003 6:43:07 am
YOu goofed it up..
Qabacha was played by Behroz Sabzwari....an over efficient assistant toa land lady..
Where as `` that Chakko hai meyray pass `` was made famous by Mr jamshed Ansari who played the role or Hasnat Bhai..
Qabacha was played by Behroz Sabzwari....an over efficient assistant toa land lady..
Where as `` that Chakko hai meyray pass `` was made famous by Mr jamshed Ansari who played the role or Hasnat Bhai..
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