Quandary in Quantum Mechanics

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Hey, you must have stumbled on to this by mistake. You perhaps read `physicist` as `physician` and thought you might find something here of professional interest to you!

A letter from Pakistan Science and Engineering Forum
Date: 07/05/2003
Dear Mohammad!
My name is Jawad Shuaib, member of the Pakistani Science and Engineering Forum website. Recently, we decided to bring students/professionals from different scientific departments/institutes in Pakistan together in one discussion forum. Our goal is to develop a discussion forum where Pakistani’s come together to discuss various topics in Science. We have already attracted members from Apsena, KSC and AmastroPak. We would be honored to have you in this online discussion group. We will put our best efforts into providing you the best science discussion available online. Thank you for your time.
Muhammad Jawad Shuaib
E-mail: python_kiss@yahoo.com
Website: www.paksef.org
Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Paksef

Oh no, not another damn term paper!

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Mohammad Gill:

I can understand your frustration. Some of the responses that you have got so far are indicative of wrong people wandering in an area they can not fathom. The sole exception, of course is that of python_kiss.
To Studebaker and soysauce: You have to understand an area before commenting on it. We value your comments for what they show us about our specialty!
To Harimau: You could let the inapplicable comments go!!
To python_kiss: I would like to know more about your activities and if possible would like to participate in them even if I am not from Pakistan.

Now return to the subject:
Mohammad, you essay is an excellent assessment of the today`s physics quandary. Though I would not call it a quandary of QM. The conclusion of your essay reminded me of a poem. It follows:

Where lies the land to which the ship would go?
Far, far ahead is all her seamen know.
And where the land she travels from? Away,
Far, far behind is all that they can say.

Quantum mechanics is a heuristic science. True no one has, as stated by Feynmann, the full understanding of the underlying concepts but its results have been verified to ten digits of significance. Probably, we should not try to understand the microcosmic world with macrocosmic thought processes. Einstein had nostalgic attachment to the deterministic physics because he believed that reality exists independent of the observer. In that sense he was a rational believer in the duality of the world. But Chandrashekhar, probably, was scientist of the today. I believe he was only trying to say that inspite of the tremendous success of Einstein, he - Einstein - had no way of knowing what the reality IS.

The true nature of science demands only the predictability from a theory. The underlying conceptualization does NOT have to be consisitent with any preconceptions. One has to PRESERVE the paramountcy of experimental observation at all costs. And QM has so far been upheld by all experiments!! That is why, I say the quandary is not QM`s.

Finally, the essay format of Chauk has its weak points for the commentors. While a detailed essay provides a wonderful opportunity to fully communicate, it raises so many issues that a coherent discussion become harder. A similar forum in The New York Times, Abuzz puts a limit on the length of the initiating statement. That requires a concise formulation of one or two points. Choices, choices, choices.

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True, i cannot fathom the relevance of this term paper to Chowk. Maybe they thought Quad was a misspelling of Quaid.
``Our`` specialty? What could that be? Writing some treatises that are too late by a few decades? Are you a teacher in india/pakistan by any chance?

dear muhammad gill
indeed a remarkable article and off course unfathomable to many but a treat to read

Interesting article on a fascinating subject. Incidentally, quantum mechanics is more than a mathematical construct: they are actually attempting to build a quantum computer that takes advantage of the fact that in the quantum world a particle can be at many places at the same time. This is parallel computing (the principle used for what used to be called supercomputers until a few years ago) on steroids.
And there are increasingly well defined theories of multiple universes that rest upon the principle of quantum mechanics. But that is another story.

great piece Dr. Gill -- great piece

for a particle physics piece like this -- and on Chowk -- aik bund app ke liye --

baith ke masjid meiN KeoN kurtay haiN maikhaaney kee baat -- this is too heady a wine to waste......

ah the Alice`s wonderland of Q -- where there is no Beginning no End -- where beginning -- begins with the observation -- and ends with length of the measuring tape --

where one is one (Kull) -- and one is also the fraction (Juzz) -- and where fraction when focused upon becomes the ONE -- where if your - are not looking -- there is no ONE and no Fraction --all ONE of nothingness -- the MAYA

once you create ONE -- by Looking at -- on the right side of -- that ONE -- is the MACRO world of the stars and galaxies -- on the left is the MICRO world of Fractions -- the QUANTUM world --

they are all interconnected and the `SAME` -- only the `local laws` -- make the `DIFFERENCE`.

there comes a time when U just STOP LOOKING -- and there is where all the UniversES – melt to become INFINITE -- sliding into the ONE NOTHINGNESS -- and the curtain falls -- THE END:-)

Thanks for the elegant article -- U R a real Muhammad.

great piece Dr. Gill -- great piece

for a particle physics piece like this -- and on Chowk -- aik bund app ke liye --

baith ke masjid meiN KeoN kurtay haiN maikhaaney kee baat -- this is too heady a wine to waste......

ah the Alice`s wonderland of Q -- where ther is no Beginning no End -- where beginning -- begins with the observation -- and ends with length of the measuring tape --

where one is one (Kull) -- and one is also the fraction (Juzz) -- and where fraction when focussed upon becomes the ONE -- where if your - are not looking -- there is no ONE and no Fration --all ONE of nothingness -- the MAYA

once you create ONE -- by Looking at -- on the right side of -- that ONE -- is the MACRO world of the stars and galaxies -- on the left is the MICRO
world of Fractions -- the QUANTUM world --

they are all interconnected and the `SAME` -- only the `local laws` -- make the `DIFFERENCE`.

there comes a time when U just STOP LOOKING -- and there is where all the UniversES -- become INFINITE -- sliding into the ONE NOTHINGNESS -- and the curtain falls -- THE END:-)

Thanks for the elegant article -- U R a real Muhammad.

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Mountain has come to Mohammad. But what is Mohammad doing?

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Inquirer, thanks for the remarks. I am from Paksef, an online organization that is working on to promote Scientific Discussion among Pakistani`s online. I would appreciate it if you join the group and contribute something to it. address for hte group : groups.yahoo.com/group/paksef

Mohammad Gill, the interesting part of the story is that they just theoretically found the gravitational waves. Which I believe are also known as the Gravitons. It would be nice to finally see a connection between Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity.

Heisenberg Uncertainity Principle is just pain for scientists. It is a wonderful theory that puts limits to so many principles. One example is the Quantum Teleporting. It can no longer be achieved (unless we approach it some other way). One interesting thing was pointed out to me in Paksef group by a member; the error in momentum and position is not really dependent on Temperature since the Principle as a whole puts a limit to it.
This is still unconfirmed to me. I will ask my elders on this. Anyways, a wonderful article. You deserve a high position among the scientists in Pakistan.

I suggest you write a book if you find time. Your way of writting articles is very interactive and yet formal.
Jawad S

nasah #12:
In view of silence form Mohammad, I take the opportunity to respond to you.

Bhai, khoob kaha, yaad rakne ke laayak!

``Baitth ke masjid men kyun karte ho, Maikhaane ki baat?