Abdullah Arian May 9, 2003
#27 Posted by cherry on June 9, 2003 6:10:03 pm
dude...dont u think ur reading TOO MUCH into a movie made simply for entertainment purposes? r u saying the director took his muse from the current scenario of the beleagured muslims? nah! i dont think so.
although ur interpretation makes sense....i dont think this is vat they had in mind.
or maybe they should have told us to read between the lines and construe the most sinister context possible. :)
i loved the movie waisay (my siblings insist x-men was better than its sequel) and
[the villain is shown to be wearing a ring with ``Allah`` inscribed on it. This kind of bigotry is the reason why there have been so many hate crimes in U.S.A., and has affected the psyche of several sincere Americans. ]
WHOA!!!!
really? this i must have missed . if vat ur saying is true...than its truely despicable. :@
although ur interpretation makes sense....i dont think this is vat they had in mind.
or maybe they should have told us to read between the lines and construe the most sinister context possible. :)
i loved the movie waisay (my siblings insist x-men was better than its sequel) and
[the villain is shown to be wearing a ring with ``Allah`` inscribed on it. This kind of bigotry is the reason why there have been so many hate crimes in U.S.A., and has affected the psyche of several sincere Americans. ]
WHOA!!!!
really? this i must have missed . if vat ur saying is true...than its truely despicable. :@
#26 Posted by Honorable_Syed on May 15, 2003 1:52:16 pm
You missed an extremely important point. I don`t know whether it was deliberate to strengthen your argument or it was an honest mistake. In the movie magneto, the villain is shown to be wearing a ring with ``Allah`` inscribed on it. This kind of bigotry is the reason why there have been so many hate crimes in U.S.A., and has affected the psyche of several sincere Americans.
#25 Posted by Paigham on May 12, 2003 9:25:05 pm
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#24 Posted by hamidm2 on May 11, 2003 8:28:25 pm
tahmed mian,
........ boy, you take this stuff too personally ...... i am not accusing you of calling anybody a ``brother`` ......... i was merely using the term allegorically to refer to people of religious pesuasion and ( this is not meant as an insult) you are smittten by your faith - actually, you are remorselessly proud of it .............. and of course i would turn around and insult jay`s elephant nosed god - i consider myself to be an equal opportunity blasphemer ........ but, we all love jay, for he brings us face to face with our conscience .........
........ boy, you take this stuff too personally ...... i am not accusing you of calling anybody a ``brother`` ......... i was merely using the term allegorically to refer to people of religious pesuasion and ( this is not meant as an insult) you are smittten by your faith - actually, you are remorselessly proud of it .............. and of course i would turn around and insult jay`s elephant nosed god - i consider myself to be an equal opportunity blasphemer ........ but, we all love jay, for he brings us face to face with our conscience .........
#23 Posted by tahmed32 on May 11, 2003 7:30:40 pm
hamidm: So you are reduced to making up lies (i.e. by trying to paint me as a mullah by pretending that I have called you or anyone else ``brother`` in the way mullahs do) and teeming up with jay whom you would at the flick of a dime turn around and call a heeng smelling hindoo when you no longer need his support.
You get more pathetic with every post.
You get more pathetic with every post.
#22 Posted by Tipu on May 11, 2003 7:30:40 pm
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#21 Posted by gnh on May 11, 2003 7:30:39 pm
hamidm2 #18
Excellent. I am willing to be in hell and work with people as equal as a humanist and tell the hindoo, muslim, christians to get the heaven out. All the clergies work for the Rich and the Powerful and the Politicians. As soon as somebody will approach me with this Brotherly Love nonsense (hindoo, muslim, christians, jew), I know I am confronting a MORON.
Excellent. I am willing to be in hell and work with people as equal as a humanist and tell the hindoo, muslim, christians to get the heaven out. All the clergies work for the Rich and the Powerful and the Politicians. As soon as somebody will approach me with this Brotherly Love nonsense (hindoo, muslim, christians, jew), I know I am confronting a MORON.
#20 Posted by tahmed32 on May 11, 2003 1:14:09 pm
jay #17 Glad they are gave you back your keyboard at the mental asylum.
#19 Posted by tahmed32 on May 11, 2003 1:14:09 pm
hamidm: Do you seriously mean to say that all muslims in the US walk around in flowing robes carrying chips on their shoulder and with dreams of world conquest?
#18 Posted by hamidm2 on May 11, 2003 1:14:08 pm
jay,
.......... you refer to tahmed as a humanist .... you are wrong ......... a religious person, by definition, cannot be a humanist ........ a religious person - muslim, hindoo, christian, jew - divides and classifies humanity on the basis of beliefs ......he condemns some to hell fire while he is saved by accepting the miracle baby as his saviour or by reciting a few meaningless verses in arabic ............ so how can he be a humanist? ...... even mother teresa was not a humanist - she did what she to please her god and get into heaven ahead of you and me ..........the good that they do is oft nothing compared to the death, destruction and misery they cause ............ there is no goodness in religious people - once they make peace with their elephant-nosed god, they have no need to be their brother`s keeper .......... never trust anyone who calls you a brother ..............
.......... you refer to tahmed as a humanist .... you are wrong ......... a religious person, by definition, cannot be a humanist ........ a religious person - muslim, hindoo, christian, jew - divides and classifies humanity on the basis of beliefs ......he condemns some to hell fire while he is saved by accepting the miracle baby as his saviour or by reciting a few meaningless verses in arabic ............ so how can he be a humanist? ...... even mother teresa was not a humanist - she did what she to please her god and get into heaven ahead of you and me ..........the good that they do is oft nothing compared to the death, destruction and misery they cause ............ there is no goodness in religious people - once they make peace with their elephant-nosed god, they have no need to be their brother`s keeper .......... never trust anyone who calls you a brother ..............
#17 Posted by jay on May 11, 2003 6:42:18 am
``Promote interfaith discussions. Religious minded people should find a lot in common to talk about. If nothing else, there is good old God always there for them to sing praises about (just kidding here, but hope you see the point). ``
Here we go, the above is from a post by the humanist, tahmed. Interfaith discussions, how the kafirs prefer to be killed, by chopping the head off like daniel pearl and other goats in pakistan, shot dead like the brahmins of kashmir, crushed and burnt like the bomb blasts, the topic goes on and on. Jihad as killing of kafirs, that tahmed refuses to denounce should not inhibit discussions with kafirs. Pathetic tahmed. How about declaring that other religions are as good as islam to start with. Tahmed you cannot even post that on this anonymous cyber space, let alone saying that in a muslim corowd.
tahmed, you take the buscuit for the aboce quote.
Here we go, the above is from a post by the humanist, tahmed. Interfaith discussions, how the kafirs prefer to be killed, by chopping the head off like daniel pearl and other goats in pakistan, shot dead like the brahmins of kashmir, crushed and burnt like the bomb blasts, the topic goes on and on. Jihad as killing of kafirs, that tahmed refuses to denounce should not inhibit discussions with kafirs. Pathetic tahmed. How about declaring that other religions are as good as islam to start with. Tahmed you cannot even post that on this anonymous cyber space, let alone saying that in a muslim corowd.
tahmed, you take the buscuit for the aboce quote.
#16 Posted by kamala on May 11, 2003 6:42:06 am
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#15 Posted by hamidm2 on May 11, 2003 6:42:06 am
tahmed ........
the issue is assimilation ........the mutants do not share the traditional value of the western societies that they live in ........ actually they are quite hostile towards the society they live in even after they have lived there for a generation or more ............suicide bombers are being born and raised in birmingham, amsterdam and new york ........
....... and it all started when their parents told them that ``we`` don`t go to the prom..........it all started when little mutant children were told that they were different, and better, than ``them`` ...........
....... you can invite all the mayors, congressmen and senators to fund raisers at the mosque, but it doesn`t mean diddly ........ of course they will show up because they don`t care where the votes and the money come from ........ and they will say all the right things about how the mutants are a colorful part of the mosaic of american society even as they wonder why these fools hide behid their women behind the partition .......... they will politely listen while a mutant leader in a flowing robe lectures them on how baghdad and andalusia were the centers of civilizaiton while their ancestors were barbarians......... they will nod their heads politely even while they are gagging on odor of biryani wafting in from the alien kitchen ......... but they leave wondering, ``who are these strange people!``
......... the mutants live on the fringes of western societies - angry and sullen..... unwilling or unable to change because they hang on to an oppressive ideology that is seared into the inner-most tissue of their psyche ..........
p.s. this week`s economist has a good article on this whole subject of mutant integration .........
the issue is assimilation ........the mutants do not share the traditional value of the western societies that they live in ........ actually they are quite hostile towards the society they live in even after they have lived there for a generation or more ............suicide bombers are being born and raised in birmingham, amsterdam and new york ........
....... and it all started when their parents told them that ``we`` don`t go to the prom..........it all started when little mutant children were told that they were different, and better, than ``them`` ...........
....... you can invite all the mayors, congressmen and senators to fund raisers at the mosque, but it doesn`t mean diddly ........ of course they will show up because they don`t care where the votes and the money come from ........ and they will say all the right things about how the mutants are a colorful part of the mosaic of american society even as they wonder why these fools hide behid their women behind the partition .......... they will politely listen while a mutant leader in a flowing robe lectures them on how baghdad and andalusia were the centers of civilizaiton while their ancestors were barbarians......... they will nod their heads politely even while they are gagging on odor of biryani wafting in from the alien kitchen ......... but they leave wondering, ``who are these strange people!``
......... the mutants live on the fringes of western societies - angry and sullen..... unwilling or unable to change because they hang on to an oppressive ideology that is seared into the inner-most tissue of their psyche ..........
p.s. this week`s economist has a good article on this whole subject of mutant integration .........
#14 Posted by Studebaker on May 10, 2003 8:33:42 pm
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#13 Posted by tahmed32 on May 10, 2003 8:33:42 pm
hamidm2 #10 Not a lonely voice...tomorrow (sunday) for example there are at least such two events in our area: one has a county councilman invited to the local mosque to discuss how muslims can get more involved in local politics; the second has some other such community event. (I am not going to either one though, although I have attended such community events before).
The issue is not assimilation whatever that means to you, but of contributing to the betterment of whatever community you live in - the US or if you are in Pakistan then Pakistan if in India then India. No need to ridicule these paople. And these women who give some time to women in the battered women`s shelter I mentioned are not hijabans either. Hijabans are too busy with projecting their own image to be concerned about others in the community.
The issue is not assimilation whatever that means to you, but of contributing to the betterment of whatever community you live in - the US or if you are in Pakistan then Pakistan if in India then India. No need to ridicule these paople. And these women who give some time to women in the battered women`s shelter I mentioned are not hijabans either. Hijabans are too busy with projecting their own image to be concerned about others in the community.
#12 Posted by hamidm2 on May 10, 2003 11:11:05 am
............ now, it wouldn`t be so bad if some of the mutant women looked like storm, jean and that absolutely fascinating mystique ............. unfortunately, ummite women in hijabs are about as attractive as nuns with bad habits ......
.........hail mary and son of god! ..... i can think of some really nasty jokes about nuns and their bad habits ......... are there similar jokes about sisters in hijab? ..... and if not, then why not?
.........hail mary and son of god! ..... i can think of some really nasty jokes about nuns and their bad habits ......... are there similar jokes about sisters in hijab? ..... and if not, then why not?
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