Pakistan and India - Lets Compromise

I feel it is a good debate. I have many friends from india.

See, most indians are probably not freinds of Pakistan. That is probably because they have never had any friend from Pakistan.

More people to people exchanges will open the doors and hearts.

Chest thumping, the sabre-rattling, the twirling of moustaches is how people in this part of the world express themselfves. It does not necessarily mean they are all that bad.

tahmed # 32

Afghanistan - 5.9 million
Iraq - 12.7 million

They are better on a per captia basis :-)

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As an American of Panjabi origin (AOPO) lol, a newly-coined term....I would like to bring forth some queries.....
Time and again, I`ve noticed the flagrant hatred exhibited by people from both the sides. The chest thumping, the sabre-rattling, the twirling of moustaches, if you may....all to what avail?
It is quite interesting to note that Indians and Pakistanis seem to get along just fine in the U.S. I personally have/and continue to work with people of Pakistani origin, and would go so far as calling them my friends. I have helped them out on several occasions, and they me. Is it because away from that hate filled environment people can actually focus on the important things in life...such as education, providing a good life for one`s family, BMWs and so forth?
In any case..the diatribe certainly makes for some comical reading. Please keep it up lol

reply ali #87

``only`` check out if that is mentioned in my post. baad me jahalat ki baat karna.

if you feel the need to rabbit on about LTTE and IRA and who knows what other group when responding to a post which addresse OUR failings, well then yes. i think it is pretty relevant to the rotten attitude in your post.

reply m_souza #110

do the gene pool and Bharat Mata a favour and (preferred option) go play in traffic or (failing that) get a vasectomy. Best regards

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#101 by arjun_m

You wrote:
``Yup...you`ve nailed that one. Paki fundamentalist parties are arguing about operator overloading in Java or the lack thereof...they aren`t opening assembly sessions with tributes to Mir aimal Kasi, they aren`t openly supporting the taliban, they dont carry Osama bin laden posters in rallies... ``

My views:

1. Aimal Kansi was not an international terrorist. He was simply a murderer. He was wanted for killing of his 2 FBI colleagues over professional matters. He was correctly arrested, indicted, found guilty and given death sentence. Resolution was passed, because of his tribal roots.

2. Even if the Islamists are supporting Talibans and Osama, these fundamentalists are a minority. They only won 11 % of the national vote as compared to 25% by moderate PPP, 24% by moderate PML Q, 8% by moderates of Mutahidda Qaumi Movement of Altaf Hussain and another 5-8% by moderates of GNA. The last 3 parties mentioned polled 37-40% of the total votes, who are aligned with the Government over its anti-Taliban and anti-AlQaeda policies.

3. Even the extremist Islamists have no record of persecuting and torturing the minorities and destroying their churches, temples, etc.

Now compare the above scenario with that of your India.

You have extremists elected to power in India. The 2 most fanatic of them all i.e. Advani and Joshi hold the most influential positions in the Government. Then you have Modi and his brilliant track record of communal harmony. And then you have your general record of killing the minorities. Then you have another record of brinkmanship against a neighboring nuclear power. Finally, now your extremist leadership says that while Pakistan`s nuclear capability is India specific, India`s is not only against Pakistan. What does this mean now? Is it against China, USA, UK, world at large or what?

To summarize, while in Pakistan extremists still remain a minority, in India they are a majority that has been elected to power by the Indians.

jay #109 you write ``olks of tahmed talk of humanism...``
I must have a chat with my olks. They have broken the attention my ilks enjoyed from you until now.

#90 by ZafarA on May 10, 2003 7:54am PT

``Shakl bhi dekh saktey to kya hi achcha hotaa... chalo shakl naa sahi....apke itney achche `intellectual minds` ki jhalak hi sahi ``

+m_souza, kya ho raha hai?!!! you wrote a post that enjoyed without qualification. are you well? doctor ko bulaun? or is it me? (mere sar men darad tho nahin...) +

yes..you need a doctor..(aapko kuch der se samajh ata hai)...
and so does hrehman..will help deflate your inflated opinionated `handsome and fair` egos

Let``s Compromise

KOI FAIDA NAHI

Ali 67
``Jay you are not being too orignal. you are trying to follow the foot steps of american evangelists in decribing the some aspects of Muslim life and relating this to Jihad or whatever and thus prove that Islam or muslims or Pakistan is evil. ``

Before any one can understand the pak situation, before the so called peace initiatives, one has to arrive at a ``thick discrition`` of the pakistanis, an idea of their world view. Pakistan and india with more or less similar world view has diverged so much in the last fiftu years, even if you compare apples and apples, that is indian muslims and pak muslims. How did this divergence take place, even when allegedly following the same book.

I am from a 25 percent muslim state and I havnt seen this sacrifice business so flagrant. Very rarely I have heard of some one killing goats, but bnothing like a million goats in karachi. Now throwing the offal in to the streets, well that is from an article on chowk by bina or some one.

It is a reality that no pakistani talks about the thousands killed in jiahds in afghanistan, kashmir etc. This complete disregard for the lives of the close ones is, for lack of a better word say ``is unindian`.

How did pakistanis acquire this worship of killing, it has to start early with the goats, graduate to honor killings, blasphemy lynching and finally jihad in foreign countries.

Ant how as usual let me conclude, give me one reason why no one, no one on chowk dares to say that ``jihad is not killing of kafirs``. The olks of tahmed talk of humanism, oneness of mankind, blah blah..to my mind live and let live is the practical aspect of the hogh sounding words, that includes the right for kafirs to live, then why not say that. Muslims should not kill kafirs, full stop.

#97 by arjun_m on May 10, 2003 8:55am PT
thanks but no thanks. It is preferable that india takes care of its own defence. nothing is free even well meaning help.

#97 by arjun_m on May 10, 2003 8:55am PT

Texas Instruments has been around since last decade. It has been filing dozens of major patents since then. Last year ex TI MD left TI to form ITTIAM(Cheekily named for I THINK THEREFORE I AM) which has been pretty successful. few years back Broadcom took over a small design company called Arcus design group for $60 milllon.
I have a Aquaintance who is ex head of R&D TI bangalore with 50 patents to his name who runs a small company in remote Manipal which takes only fresh engg. graduates from north western karnataka and transforms them into valuable designers in a short span fo 2 years. These guys are already on to their second patent. my close friend is making design tools for VLSI design group and is a contractor for Intel.
Mototola employs about 1000 people in bangalore hyderabad for design of its cellphones, the first phone which had a substantial indian content was the Timeport and Talkabout its speicalpoint are the many bugs in the phone the sign of a relatively raw team in bangalore.
Intel came to India after it felt that it was loosing out to other companies in terms of talent and economics.
Aspect technologies is a company which has complete monopoly on the libraries of electronic product specs without which no electornic component manufactuer nor a electornic component user industry can work. you might know that any message which is sent from the web to a mobile phone uses licence from a company which is called graycell based out of Bangalore.
All this is only the beginning there is still a long way to go.

#91 by ZafarA on May 10, 2003 7:54am PT
``only`` check out if that is mentioned in my post.
baad me jahalat ki baat karna.

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#80 daudpota

Daudopota-ji,

you seem to be basically a good guy with no axe to grind. But, please, think - why would indians want federation/confederation?

The old live and let live spirit of the 60`s and 70`s (BTW, which I grew up with is long gone) between India and Pakistan is long gone. Twenty years of support for terror in North India has led to situation where even indian muslims are now unreasonably and arbitrarily considered ``suspect`` in North india. This is the great victory for your goverment.

Undoing this unbalanced situation will take a generation. If there were 20 years of cold peace with growing trade, there may be a new generation with a different image of Pakistan and Islam. Till then we are stuck with the consequences of the past.