Who Says You Cant Buy Love?

Farzana: Actually, if Mumbai is anything like some other cities i have seen, you should have no problem living whatever ``life-style`` you chose. I recall some years back while visiting Dhaka on work being invited to some such dinners, and soon learnt when it was time to leave (i.e. around 1:30 am, after which the women would start getting a bit too comfortable with the men). So, around that time self and any other colleagues would quietly slip away and back to our lonely hotel rooms, despite being great temptation presented by the local women (since we would have to be up early the next day for meetings and things). I was told these parties go on until 4 am or later. I have heard of similar wife-swapping parties in Karachi and among certain groups in Islamabad, but have not witnessed them myself. Certainly Dhaka seemed to have lot more of this. I would think mumbai would be a few steps ahead of Dhaka in this respect (what with the kama sutra and all), and would be interested to learn more from any one of our friendly Indian enemies on this board.

I was just wondering if Hue Hefner`s daughter has her own harem of men or not. If not her, then who does?

Farzana: When I started reading this I thought it was a fictitious piece and I was like....whoaaa....but realization sunk in two seconds later.....well written...love the end....:))....but I`m still a lil stunned

Harimau # 18 . . . now I KNOW who pilfered my copy, I think I left it behind in Spencers or Chunk King (Devi Complex) way back in 1978.

Oh well.

Yes boss, I know, it just sounded more fun that way, also oriental?

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Re #8 Dactar Babu
Sahib jee it is fairly evident who the frustrated element is from your post, thank you for the clarification.

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Farzana

While your theme is geneder equality in sex in all respects, you seem to be still subconciously trapped in the South Asian concept - ``man does it``.

72 Year old Hefner has only put up a proposal. A willing young woman can choose to make money by taking up on this offer.

Similarly, a 72 year old woman can also make such an offer and a willing young man can take up the offer and make some money.

I do not see any problem in that.

In the West, the woman chooses to have sex with a man and enjoys it. Woman is doing it to the man.

In the East, pereception is that man does it to a woman and only he enjoys.

Basically all religions have been harsh to the woman in sex matters. When religions came, conciousness of society had yet not yet been fully developed. The societies have also thrown up strange pre-conceived wisdoms such as that man is polygamous and woman is monogamous. The women have actually been brainwashed to the extent that they have come to even believe this concoction.

In Islam, woman is only an object for sex and Islam does not recognize that women also enjoy sex and sex is also their physical need.

Hi Farzana:
This peace once again shows your versatility. You are definitely not a single-issue person.
[And the lady, with all the pain, managed to tell the doc, “You’re going to have to teach my husband how to do that.”]: LOL

Stuka:
A local french canadian tv channel (among others) shows porn films on a weekly basis and the program is called ``blue nuit``.

Ref veeresh #13

[Way to go Farzana, platonic sex or zipless jiggy, live your truth lady!]

The exact expression, invented by Erica Jong in her book ``Fear of Flying``, is `zipless f**k`.

Yours in the interest of verity,

Harimau

Paul Mc Cartney was quite right in claiming that, “…money can’t buy me love.” Yet, experience and observation shows that money may not be able to buy love, but it sure as hell can rent lots and lots of it.

Though we are impelled by civilization and culture to transcend our nature, we are well served not to lose sight of the compelling power of our inner animal impulses.

It is true that nature’s concern is purely with procreation and that it is we who employ sex for recreation. But let us not congratulate ourselves that in so doing we have gone beyond nature. The fact that we use it for recreation is, in itself, a ploy of nature whereby we so enjoy the activity that it ensures our continued interest and keeps us motivated enough to ensure procreation in the process. It does not take away from nature’s plan that increasing numbers of individuals can now deliberately block procreation while retaining the act for recreation alone. This is a relatively recent phenomenon, and does not change the greater scheme of things this quickly.

At the very heart of it we merely act out our hardwired impulses (that should ordinarily lead) to accomplish the propagation of our individual genes. This is the essence of life.

Now the trouble is that the human male and female have an inherent conflict of interest when it comes to propagating their genes. The differences in the biological nature of their reproductive systems dictates this unfortunate conflict.

A women is born with a fixed number of egg cell precursors. About nine hundred cells is her total arsenal. Like the nerve cells and muscle cells their finite number is determined before birth. During her few fertile years she only produces one viable egg per month (if that much). Over forty years (that’s a very generous reproductive lifespan) she uses no more than half her total eggs.

A man, by contrast, produces new sperm throughout his reproductive life. Each ejaculation belches out fifty million sperms. The mathematics is such that a conflict of interests is inevitable.

Since human gestation is one of the longest in the animal kingdom (elephants, whales and some others notwithstanding), and on top of that the period of helplessness of the offspring is even longer, it is essential that strategies be devised to maximize the survival of one’s offspring. These strategies are essentially different for men than for women.

Spreading his seed around as widely as possible makes the most effective genetic survival strategy for a man. The concept of “carpet bombing” to employ a military analogy. The best strategy for the woman, on the other hand, is analogous to “precision guided bombing.” What I mean by this is that since she takes a month to “re-load”, her chances of genetic survival are maximized by concentrating and focusing on the one sure shot that she can get. Thus the ‘nesting’ and the ‘clinging on’.

Now it can be argued that the trouble is not with biology but with the social power structure and the concept of ownership. If it weren’t for the male’s domination and monopoly over power, women could also devise a multiamorous strategy. For example, in a matriarchal system where paternity would not be a hotly contested issue, a women could ensure that a multitude of male consorts contribute to her offspring’s care. We sometimes see a version of this with less socially inhibited single mothers.

The bottom line is that its all in our genes. The moral hang ups most of us have about sex are really just that, hang ups!!!

…SR

By and large, life has shown me that:-

a) (Most) men talk about ``doing it`` with women when they haven`t been able to get anywhere with them.

b) (Most) men talk about women being ``sexually frustrated`` when the blisters on their own hands get painful.

c) (Most) men with an attitude towards ``other`` women are upset that their own female relatives enjoy sex.

Way to go Farzana, platonic sex or zipless jiggy, live your truth lady!

Veeresh I totally agree. fortunately and amazingly I have more 1 dozen batchmates/1 yr senior/1 yr juniors within 10 mile radius from my home. The feel 20 mahaul is created about once a month at least. In fact two of them almost punched each other few days ago and we had to distract them by ordering an extra pitcher of beer at round table pizza...of course 15 minutes later everyone forgot what was the argument.

#8 by rsridhar on May 15, 2003 3:48pm PT
``re: Sex and religion
Finally, Farzana babe has come out of the closet. I always thought this woman was sexually frustrated. Now, i know it to be true.
Babe, you want sex. Ask for it. Don`t write a lengthy post!``

rsridhar..While rest of your post #8 was informative, esp the karma theory I myself believe in...``humko apne karam khud bhugatney partey hain``...
BUT...the above part was not desirable..

Farzana wrote an article..she felt like it...so we can`t interpret she wants this or that. In fact, she has highlighted the lecherous nature of men. She also believes in eqality of sexes so why can`t women feel what men do...

Dullabhatti . . . to feel 20 again and ``in hostel`` you need to really take efforts to meet up with batchmates atleast twice a year . . . just a dozen together in some semi-seedy joint will do . . . to add to the fun everybody gets to leave their cars at home and you hire a mini-bus to drop everybody one by one.

Works.

On Farzana`s article, I do think days in India are changing. There are not a few elderly/past middle aged ladies I know who maintain or attract their fair share of ``toy-boys``. Flout them, too. No big deal. Go for it!!

good article.you write different this time.sex is ajoyful experience god has given to both the sexes.but not the way it lead to Aids.