O Karachi. Part II

You never know, InshAllah the good old days can still come back... its nice that you have memories like this of Pakistan, for younger people bought up on sectarian violence and fast creeping poverty its important to know how things used to be, it gives a little bit of hope for the future for us...

no other city in the world compares to the metropolis karachi....u need a brave heart to learn to love this city...its unique culture and people...i grew up in karachi in the 80`s and 90`s...and despite all the violence ....dirt....and maddness of the city.......no matter in which part of the world i live in......i`ll always be a die hard karachite!

Shazad,
Reflect on the days when goans were a major force in karachi, think of the days when there used to be daily flights from karachi to goa. think of what happened to the hindus, and then reflect on the TNT, the notion that hindus and muslims cannot live together idea of creation of pakistan cast into the young minds through education.
Istead of sitting and reflecting, walk the streets of karachi, walk with the edhi foundation crew and collect abandoned dead bodies, 90 per week, and think of the uncountables of pakistan. Reflect on jihad, the legitimisation of killings, of course the kafirs, and how it has turned to killing for gains. Think of the bakrid killing of the animals in the backyard of karchi, and think how it has desnsitised the pak poulation and supported the street killings. The dead bodies on the roads, are they very different from the offals in the streets following bakrid.

You are talking about karach of 50 years ago, you are on a trip to the past, the next stop could be 1600 years back, and many in pakistan are of that mind set. Ask tahmed about jihad, he is also in the past, the book so old is still piling the dead bodies in karach streets. Open your eyes, do something about, rather than idle reflecting. Pathetic.

hi, as far as da collections of automobiles is concerned still there are few people who have got the best collection of latest ones. After going through your personal experiance bot yur passion, i guess i need to be under your guidance for sometime. but i guess U forgot somthing bout collection of Nadem khan and pardesi guyz......hope to c yur comments in da next one

Shehzad,

what about Zehri`s and Zarwani`s harami pun on the streets of Karachi? Zehri around Shaheed-e-Millat road (near Duty Free Shop) and Zarwani`s in DHA, I can only speak about these 2 you mentioned as I know his brother Khalid Zarwani.

Were you are the wedding of Najeeb Zarani _ I believe he married Salma Agha`s sister ? Do I remember my 80`s ? I am wondering if I know you..hmmmm

Jay,

you are back! in a way I am glad that you still love life in some weird way and have not slashed your wrist or throat. Keep swallowing Prozac and you will be fine.

You talk about Bakrid......Jesus sacrificed himself for his believers what do you say about that ? (Now stick to the subject don`t bring killing by militants or anything to justify your comments).

Happy Chowking!

#4 by jay on June 3, 2003 7:28am PT
Jay first of all from reading your postings, I think that you are more of a fundamentalist than most people I know. No matter what the subject may be, you tend to digress along one line. Have you ever been to Karachi?

What makes you think that people who write on Chowk dont walk the streets of Karachi and that have not worked with social welfare organisations? You always ask others to do something, but dont you think that you should sit back and think about what you are doing other than spreading the seeds of hatred?

I dont know about your contributions to society, but I do know of mine and I dont think that you or anyone else has the right to criticise others without really knowing anything about them.

By the way some of my best friends were and are Hindus so I dont know how you can pass judgement on people that you dont even know.

...pardaisi...just read your intro...all i can say is good luck....better men/women than you have tried and failed...

Jay what kind of prat are you ? No matter what the mood of the discussion you dont hesitate to bring in your very own crap, faultfinding with Pakistan may have been your strong point but you must keep the lid on your sick brain when something pleasant is discussed. Sicko, I really pity you.

# 5 and # 6...pakfin and padesi....very well said.....inertia only builds gloom and a sense of despondency (jay)

#4 by jay on June 3, 2003 7:28am PT

This guy has got a bakrid and offal fixation. this is not the first time he has brought it up..

Did you guys also have motorcyles? Lately some of my friends have been buying and restoring old Motorcycles I ffound them facinating.

However that must have been an expensicve passion the preserve of the rich and elite.

Are there any pakistanis from poor or middle class and non-fedual and non-military backround on chowk I would like to hear of their experiences in pakistan too.

farook and others

Shazad is pakistani nero carassing the dreams of yester years in the back seat of cadillac when the dead bodies are piling up in the streets of karachi, when only employment on the increase is begging. He more than any other pakistani needs a bashing, my alocated function on chowk, and i would be derelict in my duty if he doesnot get it better than tahmed.
The ilks of shahzad are trying to divert the paki minds of the reality of today, trying to potray a never existed past of a good old days of an islamic pakistan.

Now my dear friend, take it from me, Harappa has not been listed as a unesco world heritage site, and you know the reason, it is a hindu past, it is not an islamic past. A person in pakistan of today remnescing the back seat of the cadilac, he is worse than the worst mullah who dreams of the kalifait. He deserves more contempt than the educated tahmde who accepts that jihad is killing of kafirs.

As far as I know hardly any non-muslim is killed in Karachi because he or she is non-muslim. Most of the innocent deaths on the streets of Karachi are due to an increase in crime and gang wars between various political groups. The political groups may be ethnic or religious in nature, but at the end of the day, it is more of a power struggle than anything else. It is primarily the failure of law enforcement.

Even at the time of partition, there were almost no Hindus killed in Karachi or for that matter in all of Sindh and I believe this to be true for NWFP and Balauchistan as well. Most of the ethnic killings happened in provinces that are a part of India or in the Punjab.

The most inequitous and shaming and downright menacing amendment was made by Zia in 1986 in the form of Section 295-C added to the PPC: ``Use of derogatory remarks, etc, in respect of the Holy Prophet: Whoever by words, either spoken or by visible representation, or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him), shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine.`` Now, liberal judges, who are an endangered species in the Pakistan of today, would be able to construe this in a strict manner. But it does not happen.

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Many lawyers and members of the lower judiciary exhibit open bias against those charged under Section 295-C and local lawyers often refuse to take up blasphemy cases. Trials are invariably highly disorderly and the courts are often packed with the local clergy and their illiterate brainwashed followers all baying for the blood of the accused.

me by the thinking few and internationally by those who held them in abhorrence. But what did the general do? On the advice of those who misadvise him too often, within days he backtracked and cancelled the proposed amendments. Despite the excuses given, this was inexcusable and he cannot be forgiven for this particular sin of commission and omission. He surely has the courage and time to redeem the wrong.

So, in 2002, with a war being waged against terrorism, in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, as records the AI Report, ``several men were sentenced to death for blasphemy, and others accused of blasphemy were killed, some in circumstances suggesting official complicity or acquiescence in the killings.`` One man sentenced to death was later found to be a lunatic. This is quite usual, as it is never taken into account by the courts that no sane man, knowing the consequences, would even contemplate blasphemy.

In June last year a prisoner jailed and sentenced to death for blasphemy was shot dead in jail and that was the end of the matter. In July, a man who had been sentenced to death for blasphemy, and freed on bail because of his mental state, was stoned to death by a mob on the call of a local Muslim cleric. The police remained inactive

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Shazad, as you sit reflecting about the large cars of the yester years , think also of the days when blasphemy laws were not there. Read the above article, hold your head in shame, and reflect on the priorities in your life, think what it means to be killed, alittle different from being run over by a 4 ton buick, even a studebaker. You have scraped the bottom of the barrel of chowk relevance.

Jay,

All of us have something to be ashamed of (read about India at amnesty.org) but you chose to concentrate only on one and only one thing i-e Pakistan.

I have thanked you in the past for being so critical of Pakistan that eventually it is helping us correct our self and I feel that you are becoming an asset to Pakistani community.

Who would thought venom would turn into medicine but again history is full of stories like that & I am sure you can relate to that.

Jay don`t leave us, keep on criticizing and we will emerge as one powerful nation someday.

One day all chowkies will be thankful to you.

Also, you use word ``ilks`` to much and too often - use something else.


PS- As usuall I am sure you will ignore this post but as long as you can read it in your Zegna suite and pass this on to your org. it would be fine.
BTW- How is the therapy going ?

you are lucky enough to have a passion as that in a country where forty percent people cannot even afford two square meals per day and about thirty five percent are literate enough to write their own names.

God bless you.

Have a nice life.