The Truth About Karachi
Bina Shah June 13, 2003
#161 Posted by m_souza on June 19, 2003 9:00:24 pm
#141 by er on June 19, 2003 9:27am PT
#136...m souza....glad u mentioned about the indian forces now being invited to iraq... finally the indian army too can pitch in and help the US and its allies (Pak being an inherent part of the Allied forces since day 1)..... collectively in Iraq! :)
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Allied forces? or Used forces?...to be used like condoms and thrown away..
India made it clear that it doesn`t approve of anything like attacking Afghanistan or Iraq..while Pakistan ditched its own Islamic people
...plus India`s foreign diplomcy is balanced one
...plus the `character` of India is not the back-stabbing one..like Pakistan gave rise to Taliban and ditched it for `amreeekan aid`..later on..
...plus India is not a `coward`...it says out its mind even if it goes against the super
powers...USA or Australia or UK
...plus India is not a `chaap-loos`...a cheap, easily available sychophant...licking the bums of America..
...plus Pakistan`s geographical location was vital to US..otherwise why would they care for a land of full of terrorists......it was like using vemon to kill vemon...
AND
Hope this time too..India just stays away from this
Let Paksitan be used by US..as it always has been....
#136...m souza....glad u mentioned about the indian forces now being invited to iraq... finally the indian army too can pitch in and help the US and its allies (Pak being an inherent part of the Allied forces since day 1)..... collectively in Iraq! :)
------
Allied forces? or Used forces?...to be used like condoms and thrown away..
India made it clear that it doesn`t approve of anything like attacking Afghanistan or Iraq..while Pakistan ditched its own Islamic people
...plus India`s foreign diplomcy is balanced one
...plus the `character` of India is not the back-stabbing one..like Pakistan gave rise to Taliban and ditched it for `amreeekan aid`..later on..
...plus India is not a `coward`...it says out its mind even if it goes against the super
powers...USA or Australia or UK
...plus India is not a `chaap-loos`...a cheap, easily available sychophant...licking the bums of America..
...plus Pakistan`s geographical location was vital to US..otherwise why would they care for a land of full of terrorists......it was like using vemon to kill vemon...
AND
Hope this time too..India just stays away from this
Let Paksitan be used by US..as it always has been....
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#162 Posted by m_souza on June 19, 2003 9:00:24 pm
#141 by er on June 19, 2003 9:27am PT
#136...m souza....glad u mentioned about the indian forces now being invited to iraq... finally the indian army too can pitch in and help the US and its allies (Pak being an inherent part of the Allied forces since day 1)..... collectively in Iraq! :)
------
Allied forces? or Used forces?...to be used likecondoms and thrown away..
India made it clear that it doesn`t approve of anything like attacking Afghanistan or Iraq..while Pakistan ditched its own Islamic people
...plus India`s foreign diplomcy is balanced one
...plus the `character` of India is not the back-stabbing one..like Pakistan gave rise to Taliban and ditched it for `amreeekan aid`..later on..
...plus India is not a `coward`...it says out its mind even if it goes against the super
powers...USA or Australia or UK
...plus India is not a `chaap-loos`...a cheap easily awvailable sychophant...licking the bums of America..
...plus Pakistan`s geographical location was vital to US..otherwise why would they care for a land of terrorists..it was like using vemon to kill vemon...
AND
Hope this time too..India just stays away from this
Let Paksitan be used by US..as it always has been....
#136...m souza....glad u mentioned about the indian forces now being invited to iraq... finally the indian army too can pitch in and help the US and its allies (Pak being an inherent part of the Allied forces since day 1)..... collectively in Iraq! :)
------
Allied forces? or Used forces?...to be used likecondoms and thrown away..
India made it clear that it doesn`t approve of anything like attacking Afghanistan or Iraq..while Pakistan ditched its own Islamic people
...plus India`s foreign diplomcy is balanced one
...plus the `character` of India is not the back-stabbing one..like Pakistan gave rise to Taliban and ditched it for `amreeekan aid`..later on..
...plus India is not a `coward`...it says out its mind even if it goes against the super
powers...USA or Australia or UK
...plus India is not a `chaap-loos`...a cheap easily awvailable sychophant...licking the bums of America..
...plus Pakistan`s geographical location was vital to US..otherwise why would they care for a land of terrorists..it was like using vemon to kill vemon...
AND
Hope this time too..India just stays away from this
Let Paksitan be used by US..as it always has been....
#163 Posted by arjun_m on June 19, 2003 9:00:24 pm
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#166 Posted by rsridhar on June 19, 2003 10:56:55 pm
re: F.M`s delusions
F.M writes:
``Musharraf is now much better known in the US than Vajpayee. In four days, he has meetings with four world leaders (Blair, Bush, Chirac, and Schroeder).``
I bet, even a popular whore in Washington D.C meets more famous people in a day than Mushy does. What is the point? Let us see some concrete results. Is Pak getting F16? That would be concrete. Is Pak able to stop Israel from selling its Phalcon to India? That would be something concrete.
Sridhar
F.M writes:
``Musharraf is now much better known in the US than Vajpayee. In four days, he has meetings with four world leaders (Blair, Bush, Chirac, and Schroeder).``
I bet, even a popular whore in Washington D.C meets more famous people in a day than Mushy does. What is the point? Let us see some concrete results. Is Pak getting F16? That would be concrete. Is Pak able to stop Israel from selling its Phalcon to India? That would be something concrete.
Sridhar
#167 Posted by er on June 19, 2003 10:56:55 pm
#153 arjun_m....rumour or no rumour the truth shall soon unfold....guess we need to wait and watch...though personally i think this whole arms race fascination needs to be curtailed by both countries....sanity needs to prevail!
#168 Posted by rsridhar on June 19, 2003 10:56:56 pm
re: field marshal`s delusions
``By recognizing Israel, another decade of Indian planning will go down the drain. Such is the crucial position Pakistan enjoys in the current world politics, if it plays its cards correctly.``
Somebody please archive these words. We will need to relook at what F.M said at a later date. Go to:
www.tau.ac.il/jcss/memoranda/memo55.pdf AND
read the detailed desertation about Pak-Israel relationship and how it has evolved over that last several decades.
Israel is not averse to having itself recognised by Pak. Up until the time Pak exploded the bomb, Israel had been wanting some kind of relationship with Pak to get nearer Iran. It is always fearful of a nuclear Iran which also has a long range missile. As Pak traditionally had good relationship with Iran, having a diplomatic relationship with Pak seemed to be the right way to know what Iran was upto.
It is Pak which has been averse to recognising Israel. Why? It is purely ideological. There is tremendous amount of hatred against Israel in Pak and this can be seen in the writings in the Urdu press. Go to the Url:
http://www.ceip.org/files/publications/anatol-letter.asp
Excerpts:
``...This is also true of the English-language press here—the Urdu-language press is of course much more extreme—which to judge by my conversations and interviews reflects pretty accurately the prevailing mood among the English-language elites. Press comments have been overwhelmingly, often bitterly critical of the US-led campaign, and have contained a small proportion of insane anti-US and anti-Israel conspiracy theories, including the poisonously mendacious idea that Jewish workers at the World Trade Center were all absent on the day of the attack.
Unfortunately, I have not only read this in the press but also heard it from a couple of supposedly educated and civilized interlocuteurs, as well as on the streets. Acute dislike of Israel, and of Israeli behaviour and Israeli occupation of Muslim holy places , and of US support for this, is the single most important reason for these anti-American attitudes,...``.
Anti-semitism is widely prevelant in Pakistan. Daniel Pearl`s murder is a case in point. He was chosen because he was an American Jew. Just before dying, his last words were to the effect that he was a jew. Vernacular (mainly Urdu) press in Pak had tried to justify this murder by shifting the blame on US and its alleged atrocities on the muslim world. Go to Url:
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0209/kamber.php
Excerpts:
``...Yet his murderers are identified as members of ``a fiercely anti-Semitic Islamic terrorist group called Jaish-e-Mohammed.`` I can only wonder about what qualifies as ``fiercely anti-Semitic`` in Pakistan, where anti-Semitism flows as easily as water. For several months following 9-11, the country`s newspapers published frequent editorials calling for an investigation into Jewish involvement in the World Trade Center bombing. In interviews conducted while I was there, government officials would occasionally veer off into long diatribes about the Jews; fundamentalist religious leaders, who educate hundreds of thousands of children in the country`s madrassas, spoke of little else. ``.
Israel`s policy changed following nuclear explosion by Pak. It is now engaged in how to contain the nuclear device from reaching middle east. It fears the close Pak-Iran co-operation. Again going back to the PDF file:
www.tau.ac.il/jcss/memoranda/memo55.pdf
Go to the section on Nuclear dimensions as well as the Domestic debates to know how the relationship is evolving. There is tremendous amount of resistance to normalization of relationship with Israel. Much of it has to do with the evolving Indo-Israeli alliance and the perception that Israel is helping India in Kashmir. This is apart from the ideological hatred for anything that is Jewish that exists in Pakistan.
Sridhar
``By recognizing Israel, another decade of Indian planning will go down the drain. Such is the crucial position Pakistan enjoys in the current world politics, if it plays its cards correctly.``
Somebody please archive these words. We will need to relook at what F.M said at a later date. Go to:
www.tau.ac.il/jcss/memoranda/memo55.pdf AND
read the detailed desertation about Pak-Israel relationship and how it has evolved over that last several decades.
Israel is not averse to having itself recognised by Pak. Up until the time Pak exploded the bomb, Israel had been wanting some kind of relationship with Pak to get nearer Iran. It is always fearful of a nuclear Iran which also has a long range missile. As Pak traditionally had good relationship with Iran, having a diplomatic relationship with Pak seemed to be the right way to know what Iran was upto.
It is Pak which has been averse to recognising Israel. Why? It is purely ideological. There is tremendous amount of hatred against Israel in Pak and this can be seen in the writings in the Urdu press. Go to the Url:
http://www.ceip.org/files/publications/anatol-letter.asp
Excerpts:
``...This is also true of the English-language press here—the Urdu-language press is of course much more extreme—which to judge by my conversations and interviews reflects pretty accurately the prevailing mood among the English-language elites. Press comments have been overwhelmingly, often bitterly critical of the US-led campaign, and have contained a small proportion of insane anti-US and anti-Israel conspiracy theories, including the poisonously mendacious idea that Jewish workers at the World Trade Center were all absent on the day of the attack.
Unfortunately, I have not only read this in the press but also heard it from a couple of supposedly educated and civilized interlocuteurs, as well as on the streets. Acute dislike of Israel, and of Israeli behaviour and Israeli occupation of Muslim holy places , and of US support for this, is the single most important reason for these anti-American attitudes,...``.
Anti-semitism is widely prevelant in Pakistan. Daniel Pearl`s murder is a case in point. He was chosen because he was an American Jew. Just before dying, his last words were to the effect that he was a jew. Vernacular (mainly Urdu) press in Pak had tried to justify this murder by shifting the blame on US and its alleged atrocities on the muslim world. Go to Url:
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0209/kamber.php
Excerpts:
``...Yet his murderers are identified as members of ``a fiercely anti-Semitic Islamic terrorist group called Jaish-e-Mohammed.`` I can only wonder about what qualifies as ``fiercely anti-Semitic`` in Pakistan, where anti-Semitism flows as easily as water. For several months following 9-11, the country`s newspapers published frequent editorials calling for an investigation into Jewish involvement in the World Trade Center bombing. In interviews conducted while I was there, government officials would occasionally veer off into long diatribes about the Jews; fundamentalist religious leaders, who educate hundreds of thousands of children in the country`s madrassas, spoke of little else. ``.
Israel`s policy changed following nuclear explosion by Pak. It is now engaged in how to contain the nuclear device from reaching middle east. It fears the close Pak-Iran co-operation. Again going back to the PDF file:
www.tau.ac.il/jcss/memoranda/memo55.pdf
Go to the section on Nuclear dimensions as well as the Domestic debates to know how the relationship is evolving. There is tremendous amount of resistance to normalization of relationship with Israel. Much of it has to do with the evolving Indo-Israeli alliance and the perception that Israel is helping India in Kashmir. This is apart from the ideological hatred for anything that is Jewish that exists in Pakistan.
Sridhar
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#172 Posted by rsridhar on June 20, 2003 7:04:03 am
re: an Indian muslim view of Kashmir and Mushy
Url:
http://www.sulekha.com/redirectnh.asp?cid=311597
Here is an interesting article that goes to the crux of the problem. Every Indian muslim should pose this question to their Paki brothers: why do you want Kashmir?
Excerpts:
1. ``You say: `I am very clear on one thing. The people of Kashmir do not want to be part of India.` Then you also say: `Let me tell you that before Kargil, Kashmir was a dead issue.`
If the people of Kashmir do not want to be part of India and if you think `the Kashmir struggle` is indigenous then how did Kashmir become a dead issue, requiring the help of your mujahideen to make it come alive?``
(my note: ``you`` in the above para refers to Mushy. The author has demolished Mushy` s argument. He told Pranab Roy that Kargil was necessary as Kashmir was a dead issue prior to Kargil. The question is : why was it a dead issue? And why does Mushy the idiot think Kargil has jump-started this issue?)
2. ``In the same interview you admitted that your own referendum was a mistake and you also regretted that `Pakistan had failed to evolve a functional democracy.` How could a president -- who is not sure if the people of his country want him to be one or not -- possibly know the wishes of the Kashmiri people?
If democracy is not yet evolved in Pakistan, then how could Pakistan -- or its tin pot dictator -- judge the fairness of elections in the world`s largest functional democracy?``
(my note: WOW! There goes another one of famous arguments by Mushy and his ilk for a referendum. If he thinks his own referendum was a mistake, how can he question the Assembly elections which has been given a clean Chit by the world media?)
3. ``After more than fifty years of the creation of Pakistan, is there anything which remains to be seen? Jinnah`s concerns were the political rights of Muslims. Today the Muslims of Pakistan do not have any political rights, the Muslims of India do.
In the words of M J Akbar, one of our best political commentators, `The only Muslims in the world to enjoy sustained democratic liberty are not in Pakistan, but those who remained in India. Indian Muslims have had more problems than any one deserves, but they remain the only Muslims with guaranteed democratic rights. After the alienation of 1947 they have lifted themselves up and are becoming effective partners in the evolution of a nation state. This is, interestingly, what Jinnah wanted for Pakistan; a time when, in political sense, Muslims would cease to be Muslims and Hindus cease to be Hindus. That is happening in India instead, not because Indians are superior to Pakistanis, but because they have a superior political system. Pakistan`s Muslims have had only a fleeting feel of free will.` [The Shade of Swords, Roli Books, 2002]``.
(my note: Yes! Yes! I know what the Pakis in Chowk are thinking. How about Gujarat carnage? How about the Ayodhya issue? These issues do not take away the rights of the muslims in India. As i have always said, the fight in India is between secular elements and fundamentalists and not Hindu versus muslim)
4. ``Kashmiris have more chance for expressing their wishes in India than they would have in Pakistan. So if the wishes of Kashmiris -- or their political rights -- is the issue, Pakistan has no case.``
5. ``In 1965, Dr Rafiq Zakaria made a stirring speech in the UN General Assembly arguing India`s case on Kashmir on behalf of Indian Muslims. What was Pakistan`s response? It came in just four-and-a-half words. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, then foreign minister of Pakistan, simply accused Dr Zakaria of being `a traitor to the Muslim cause` and walked out. [Rafiq Zakaria, The Widening Divide, Viking Penguin, 1995].
That is again laughably absurd. Dr Zakaria was speaking on behalf of Indian Muslims, so how could he be a traitor to the Muslim cause?
Pakistan thought so because it thinks it has exclusive rights on Allah. This argument is also the basis of Pakistan`s claim on Kashmir. But the facts do not support the basic argument. Any argument not supported by facts is no argument.``
6. ``Here is a fact: There are more than 150 million Muslims in India (the second largest Muslim population in the world), more than the Muslims in Pakistan. Less than 7 per cent of them are in Kashmir.
Pakistan may have been created in the name of Islam. India can`t and won`t be partitioned in the name of Islam any more. Indian Muslims will not allow that to happen.
To use Imam Bukhari`s words: `If the issue of Kashmir is decided on religious basis (in the name of Islam) then the wishes of all Indian Muslims should be taken into consideration and not those of Kashmiris alone.`
End of argument.``
A very convincing argument by a proud Indian muslim. Let us see how many Pakis in Chowk can counter this argument. And while you are at it, for God`s sake, do not bring in the question of referendum or religion into this. Just provide the answer to one simple queston: Why do Pakistanis think Kashmir should belong to them? Let us talk with logic and facts and not bring in religion. Let us not talk about what Kashmiris wish because very recently 45% of them cast their vote to elect a popular Govt and they did so under the threat of terrorists. Let us also not talk about Army atrocities in Kashmir. That argument falls flat in face of Paki atrocities against Ahmediyas, hindu and christian minorities. And in Pakistan, they are not facing any terrorists from these groups. In Kashmir, Army exists because terrorists exist.
So, let us have a logical argument about the reason why Kashmir should belong to Pak. Tamils in Srilanka have been humiliated, abused in the past by the Sinhala majority but no Tamilian in India today supports secession of Tamils from Srilanka even though this is a very emotive issue. Real or perceived atrocities are not reason enough for secession. In Srilanka, Tamil cause has been hijacked by LTTE which simply does not accept peaceful means of resolution and is dithering even today. Srilankan constitution provides avenues for peaceful resolution of the problem. LTTE will simply not listen or trust the Srilankan govt. But the Indian tamilians are not butting in to say that Tamils in srilanka need to secede. This is a problem between the Srilankan Tamils and their govt.
Kashmir problem is similarly between India and Kashmiris. Pakis have no reason even to be talking about Kashmir. When India is strong enough some day, India can tell Pakistani generals to go and fukc off.
I hope Mushy reads this article. Just like the terrorists who go to war thinking they will soon join 72 virgins and will realise after they are dead that they do not even have a dick, leave aside enjoying with virgins, Mushy the idiot will be left standing with his dick in his hand at the end of the day.
Sridhar
Url:
http://www.sulekha.com/redirectnh.asp?cid=311597
Here is an interesting article that goes to the crux of the problem. Every Indian muslim should pose this question to their Paki brothers: why do you want Kashmir?
Excerpts:
1. ``You say: `I am very clear on one thing. The people of Kashmir do not want to be part of India.` Then you also say: `Let me tell you that before Kargil, Kashmir was a dead issue.`
If the people of Kashmir do not want to be part of India and if you think `the Kashmir struggle` is indigenous then how did Kashmir become a dead issue, requiring the help of your mujahideen to make it come alive?``
(my note: ``you`` in the above para refers to Mushy. The author has demolished Mushy` s argument. He told Pranab Roy that Kargil was necessary as Kashmir was a dead issue prior to Kargil. The question is : why was it a dead issue? And why does Mushy the idiot think Kargil has jump-started this issue?)
2. ``In the same interview you admitted that your own referendum was a mistake and you also regretted that `Pakistan had failed to evolve a functional democracy.` How could a president -- who is not sure if the people of his country want him to be one or not -- possibly know the wishes of the Kashmiri people?
If democracy is not yet evolved in Pakistan, then how could Pakistan -- or its tin pot dictator -- judge the fairness of elections in the world`s largest functional democracy?``
(my note: WOW! There goes another one of famous arguments by Mushy and his ilk for a referendum. If he thinks his own referendum was a mistake, how can he question the Assembly elections which has been given a clean Chit by the world media?)
3. ``After more than fifty years of the creation of Pakistan, is there anything which remains to be seen? Jinnah`s concerns were the political rights of Muslims. Today the Muslims of Pakistan do not have any political rights, the Muslims of India do.
In the words of M J Akbar, one of our best political commentators, `The only Muslims in the world to enjoy sustained democratic liberty are not in Pakistan, but those who remained in India. Indian Muslims have had more problems than any one deserves, but they remain the only Muslims with guaranteed democratic rights. After the alienation of 1947 they have lifted themselves up and are becoming effective partners in the evolution of a nation state. This is, interestingly, what Jinnah wanted for Pakistan; a time when, in political sense, Muslims would cease to be Muslims and Hindus cease to be Hindus. That is happening in India instead, not because Indians are superior to Pakistanis, but because they have a superior political system. Pakistan`s Muslims have had only a fleeting feel of free will.` [The Shade of Swords, Roli Books, 2002]``.
(my note: Yes! Yes! I know what the Pakis in Chowk are thinking. How about Gujarat carnage? How about the Ayodhya issue? These issues do not take away the rights of the muslims in India. As i have always said, the fight in India is between secular elements and fundamentalists and not Hindu versus muslim)
4. ``Kashmiris have more chance for expressing their wishes in India than they would have in Pakistan. So if the wishes of Kashmiris -- or their political rights -- is the issue, Pakistan has no case.``
5. ``In 1965, Dr Rafiq Zakaria made a stirring speech in the UN General Assembly arguing India`s case on Kashmir on behalf of Indian Muslims. What was Pakistan`s response? It came in just four-and-a-half words. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, then foreign minister of Pakistan, simply accused Dr Zakaria of being `a traitor to the Muslim cause` and walked out. [Rafiq Zakaria, The Widening Divide, Viking Penguin, 1995].
That is again laughably absurd. Dr Zakaria was speaking on behalf of Indian Muslims, so how could he be a traitor to the Muslim cause?
Pakistan thought so because it thinks it has exclusive rights on Allah. This argument is also the basis of Pakistan`s claim on Kashmir. But the facts do not support the basic argument. Any argument not supported by facts is no argument.``
6. ``Here is a fact: There are more than 150 million Muslims in India (the second largest Muslim population in the world), more than the Muslims in Pakistan. Less than 7 per cent of them are in Kashmir.
Pakistan may have been created in the name of Islam. India can`t and won`t be partitioned in the name of Islam any more. Indian Muslims will not allow that to happen.
To use Imam Bukhari`s words: `If the issue of Kashmir is decided on religious basis (in the name of Islam) then the wishes of all Indian Muslims should be taken into consideration and not those of Kashmiris alone.`
End of argument.``
A very convincing argument by a proud Indian muslim. Let us see how many Pakis in Chowk can counter this argument. And while you are at it, for God`s sake, do not bring in the question of referendum or religion into this. Just provide the answer to one simple queston: Why do Pakistanis think Kashmir should belong to them? Let us talk with logic and facts and not bring in religion. Let us not talk about what Kashmiris wish because very recently 45% of them cast their vote to elect a popular Govt and they did so under the threat of terrorists. Let us also not talk about Army atrocities in Kashmir. That argument falls flat in face of Paki atrocities against Ahmediyas, hindu and christian minorities. And in Pakistan, they are not facing any terrorists from these groups. In Kashmir, Army exists because terrorists exist.
So, let us have a logical argument about the reason why Kashmir should belong to Pak. Tamils in Srilanka have been humiliated, abused in the past by the Sinhala majority but no Tamilian in India today supports secession of Tamils from Srilanka even though this is a very emotive issue. Real or perceived atrocities are not reason enough for secession. In Srilanka, Tamil cause has been hijacked by LTTE which simply does not accept peaceful means of resolution and is dithering even today. Srilankan constitution provides avenues for peaceful resolution of the problem. LTTE will simply not listen or trust the Srilankan govt. But the Indian tamilians are not butting in to say that Tamils in srilanka need to secede. This is a problem between the Srilankan Tamils and their govt.
Kashmir problem is similarly between India and Kashmiris. Pakis have no reason even to be talking about Kashmir. When India is strong enough some day, India can tell Pakistani generals to go and fukc off.
I hope Mushy reads this article. Just like the terrorists who go to war thinking they will soon join 72 virgins and will realise after they are dead that they do not even have a dick, leave aside enjoying with virgins, Mushy the idiot will be left standing with his dick in his hand at the end of the day.
Sridhar
#173 Posted by shankar on June 20, 2003 7:04:04 am
My dear cousin,
{{Pakistan should recognize Israel, within the 67 borders, with or without a Palestinian state..}}
Whaaa??!!...
Hey! I just learnt something!...thanx!!
..the question is WHY hasnt Pakistan done so all this time; when so many muslim nations have?? ...
{{I have yet to figure out why Pakistan does not recognize Israel.}}
Yup; me too...
the ``scientific`` reason is-- the better ``looking`` the govt is...the slower it is on a mental uptake...
{{If Muslim unity is the criteria, then Pakistan should ask all Muslim nations to de-recognize any country Pakistan has an issue with.
I doubt they will agree...
..During the recent threats and troop pile-ups from India, how many Arab nations came to Pakistan`s help? The Palestinians actually sent a delegation to Vajpayee, while India had its troops piled up. How many times has Yasir Arafat visited Pakistan, or raised the Kashmir issue? I have never heard him. Arabs, even poor Arabs, couldn`t care one way or the other about Pakistan. They only thing they want is the, ``Islamic bomb.`` }}
you finally figured that out... all by yourself; hahn?!
{{Israel would love to have Pakistan recognize it. Pakistan is the only Muslim country which can counter Israel, militarily. Israel can beat up on the Arabs anytime it wants. This is from the horse`s mouth. And Israel is dead scared of Pakistani nukes ending up with Arabs.}}
Yo! brainiac....Arabs can buy the ``Islamic bomb`` from the godless N.Koreans or Russian mafiosi types..
one doesnt necessarily need glorious Pakistan for the bomb...esp when Pakis are being very very closely watched by CIA & Mossad agents... (like Danny Pearl)
{{Musharraf is now much better known in the US than Vajpayee. In four days, he has meetings with four world leaders (Blair, Bush, Chirac, and Schroeder).}}
HAHAHA!!
A willing WHORE is always WELL known!!
Its no secret that Mushy sleeps with the fundo ``freedom fighters`` AND goras AND Arabs with money..
Poor Vaju & Advani are too ugly to bend over & spread their cheeks for money...
{{With one decision, after Sep 11, India`s decade of financing against Pakistan in USA went down the drain. By recognizing Israel, another decade of Indian planning will go down the drain. Such is the crucial position Pakistan enjoys in the current world politics, if it plays its cards correctly.}}
CLASSIC example of the Polyanna Syndrome!!!
Allah has blessed the sacred govt of Pakistan with geography....
& your noble leader has a propensity to go to the highest bidder if the price is right..
but your military types are very classy whores...
they got HONOR...& Ish-STYLE!!
Israel will be soooo happy & relieved that Mushy`s Pakistan recognised them, that they will drop the 1.X billion dollar sale of weapons to the horrible hindooos. They will dismantle the close intelligence ties that India & Israel have developed over decades. They will drop trade links with a market that is far bigger than Pakistan & the potential to get much larger..
..& best of all- the powerful pro-Pakistan lobby in the US will make Congress appove another X billion dollar ``loan`` to Pakistan...which a future US President will magnanimously ``forgive``...for services rendered by your revered military...
{{After recognizing Israel, Pakistan should tell Sharon to cut the crap and give the Palestinians their state.}}
Ofcourse!!
..& Sharon will say ``Yes Sir!`` to Mushy...
``provided you bend over & drop your pants!...
I hear you have great ..er..cheeks!!``
{{And it should tell Sharon to tell his American Jewish buddies to set up a few Nike plants, a few Dell plants, some more Oracle educational centers, a few Starbucks and some Intel plants in Pakistan. I have a strange feeling Sharon would agree......}}
ABSOLUTELY!!!
They should build their headquarters in Karachi or Muzzafarbad---where they will be welcomed with the warmth & hospitality that Pakis are famous for...
{{For those who don`t believe things can change so quickly, just remember, three years ago, no Western leader was to shake Musharraf`s hand. Now Musharraf is the first person they talk to when they fall down after chocking on a pretzel.....}}
An Israeli resident physician once told me...
``the difference between a muslim & a jew is that Allah blesses muslims by putting a part of their brain (the part that deals with common sense) in their prepuce...
jews--alas-- have no such blessings``
Ofcourse; it goes without saying; a brahmin like me gave him a tahmed-esque lecture on how bad prejudice is.....him being a jew `an all..
With 22 yrs of expertise in clinical psychiatry, I must say YOUR brain is ``FUBAR``....
.
{{Pakistan should recognize Israel, within the 67 borders, with or without a Palestinian state..}}
Whaaa??!!...
Hey! I just learnt something!...thanx!!
..the question is WHY hasnt Pakistan done so all this time; when so many muslim nations have?? ...
{{I have yet to figure out why Pakistan does not recognize Israel.}}
Yup; me too...
the ``scientific`` reason is-- the better ``looking`` the govt is...the slower it is on a mental uptake...
{{If Muslim unity is the criteria, then Pakistan should ask all Muslim nations to de-recognize any country Pakistan has an issue with.
I doubt they will agree...
..During the recent threats and troop pile-ups from India, how many Arab nations came to Pakistan`s help? The Palestinians actually sent a delegation to Vajpayee, while India had its troops piled up. How many times has Yasir Arafat visited Pakistan, or raised the Kashmir issue? I have never heard him. Arabs, even poor Arabs, couldn`t care one way or the other about Pakistan. They only thing they want is the, ``Islamic bomb.`` }}
you finally figured that out... all by yourself; hahn?!
{{Israel would love to have Pakistan recognize it. Pakistan is the only Muslim country which can counter Israel, militarily. Israel can beat up on the Arabs anytime it wants. This is from the horse`s mouth. And Israel is dead scared of Pakistani nukes ending up with Arabs.}}
Yo! brainiac....Arabs can buy the ``Islamic bomb`` from the godless N.Koreans or Russian mafiosi types..
one doesnt necessarily need glorious Pakistan for the bomb...esp when Pakis are being very very closely watched by CIA & Mossad agents... (like Danny Pearl)
{{Musharraf is now much better known in the US than Vajpayee. In four days, he has meetings with four world leaders (Blair, Bush, Chirac, and Schroeder).}}
HAHAHA!!
A willing WHORE is always WELL known!!
Its no secret that Mushy sleeps with the fundo ``freedom fighters`` AND goras AND Arabs with money..
Poor Vaju & Advani are too ugly to bend over & spread their cheeks for money...
{{With one decision, after Sep 11, India`s decade of financing against Pakistan in USA went down the drain. By recognizing Israel, another decade of Indian planning will go down the drain. Such is the crucial position Pakistan enjoys in the current world politics, if it plays its cards correctly.}}
CLASSIC example of the Polyanna Syndrome!!!
Allah has blessed the sacred govt of Pakistan with geography....
& your noble leader has a propensity to go to the highest bidder if the price is right..
but your military types are very classy whores...
they got HONOR...& Ish-STYLE!!
Israel will be soooo happy & relieved that Mushy`s Pakistan recognised them, that they will drop the 1.X billion dollar sale of weapons to the horrible hindooos. They will dismantle the close intelligence ties that India & Israel have developed over decades. They will drop trade links with a market that is far bigger than Pakistan & the potential to get much larger..
..& best of all- the powerful pro-Pakistan lobby in the US will make Congress appove another X billion dollar ``loan`` to Pakistan...which a future US President will magnanimously ``forgive``...for services rendered by your revered military...
{{After recognizing Israel, Pakistan should tell Sharon to cut the crap and give the Palestinians their state.}}
Ofcourse!!
..& Sharon will say ``Yes Sir!`` to Mushy...
``provided you bend over & drop your pants!...
I hear you have great ..er..cheeks!!``
{{And it should tell Sharon to tell his American Jewish buddies to set up a few Nike plants, a few Dell plants, some more Oracle educational centers, a few Starbucks and some Intel plants in Pakistan. I have a strange feeling Sharon would agree......}}
ABSOLUTELY!!!
They should build their headquarters in Karachi or Muzzafarbad---where they will be welcomed with the warmth & hospitality that Pakis are famous for...
{{For those who don`t believe things can change so quickly, just remember, three years ago, no Western leader was to shake Musharraf`s hand. Now Musharraf is the first person they talk to when they fall down after chocking on a pretzel.....}}
An Israeli resident physician once told me...
``the difference between a muslim & a jew is that Allah blesses muslims by putting a part of their brain (the part that deals with common sense) in their prepuce...
jews--alas-- have no such blessings``
Ofcourse; it goes without saying; a brahmin like me gave him a tahmed-esque lecture on how bad prejudice is.....him being a jew `an all..
With 22 yrs of expertise in clinical psychiatry, I must say YOUR brain is ``FUBAR``....
.
#174 Posted by arjun_m on June 20, 2003 7:04:04 am
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#175 Posted by bbabu on June 20, 2003 7:04:04 am
Tipu #170
`` Even Indian muslim with there handicapped position play role in insuring your safety without you paying any premium ..tooth less sher ..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)) ``
The best thing Indian Muslims can do is to stay out India-Pakistan feud and hope they do not fight another war.
Keep your stupid comments to yourself !!!
#176 Posted by bbabu on June 20, 2003 7:04:04 am
arjun_m #157
Delivery of 28 F-16 is not going to change military balance. I do not mind seeing Pakistani military blow another $1 billion down the tube. Too bad Pakistani citizens do not see the money
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