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Education.

Only about 180 years ago, the scholar Ahmad Baba of Timbuctou on the River Niger could count thousands of book in his library when European scholars counted them in dozens?

What happened?

Very nicely argued. I couldn`t agree with you more.

The Canadians, I think, have done a decent job of maintaining a neutral and relatively moral stance in all of this. The key to solving these problems of the current, ``us vs. them,`` lies in Europe. The sudden wave of European common person`s opposition to Bush`s actions in Iraq was surprising. It has turned the whole Clash of Civilisations debate on its head.

The US populace is too brainwashed to be able to make moral decisions on its foreign policy. Americans are moral people at a personal level, but are unwilling to challenge the immorality of their nation at a public level. Europeans, now, seem to be moral in both spheres. Thus Europeans are the key. They need to keep the pressure on the OBLs and Bushs of the world and keep them bound.

Bush`s approval ratings will only go up every time the USA goes to war. This has been a historic truth for the American Presidents. The only time ratings go down in a US war, is never due to the immorality of the war, it is when a lot of US soldiers get killed (like Vietnam). The USA will now only go into wars, where hardly any American will get killed. However, morality will never be the criteria.

Luckily, the European leaders ratings, across the board have gone down, for supporting unjust wars. If Tony Blair`s party loses the next election, dut to hoodwinking his country into the Iraq war, this whole process will be set in stone. From that point onwards, all of the US cheerleaders will have to think ten times before going to war.

At the same time, the Muslims of the world need to keep pressure on the OBLs and keep them isolated.

All wars should be made to pass through the litmus test of human rights. The only legal wars are for self-defence if attacked, against occupational forces, etc. And they should only be targeted against soldiers and not civlians. OBL`s attack on the USA and the USA`s attack on Iraq, both fail on all these three accounts. The world is a more dangerous place after both these attacks.......

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#3 by Romair on June 26, 2003 11:09am PT

[All wars should be made to pass through the litmus test of human rights.]

Like the war your great Army waged against the Bangladeshis in 1971? By the way, I`d be very interested in knowing if you were serving then, and if you were posted there.

HERE IS THE PROOF

LAHORE: Kite flying: control room to receive complaints


By Reporter

LAHORE, June 25: The City District Government on Wednesday established a control room for receiving complaints against violations of ban on kite flying and related business besides arranging necessary action by police.

District Nazim Mian Amer met the Lahore Electricity Supply Company chief executive Brig Riaz Toor for the establishment of a control room in cooperation with Lesco. He said the control room would receive complaints on UAN 111-000-118 for necessary action under the law.

///hERE IS THE PROOF WHAT K FOR KAFIR EDUCATION CAN DO. hERE IS A NAZIM, an graduate elected representative, setting up a control room for action against kite flyers, because flying kites is a kaferian action, banned in pakistan.
It is also this education that will prevent the nazim from setting up a control room for honour killings.
Pakistanis, find for your self, does pakistnis need education or daisy cutters.

RIGHT KIND OF EDUCATION

FAISALABAD: Vet medicines being dispensed to humans


By Shamsul Islam Naz

FAISALABAD, June 26: A team of the health department found a number of veterinary medicines being dispensed to humans in some government dispensaries of the city.

According to sources, the chief medical officer for dispensaries led the raids and found partially used veterinary medicines on dispensing tables.

The raiding team found out that veterinary medicines were being administered to people by the staff of dispensaries without registration.

The inspection team found more veterinary medicines in dispensary stores. According to the team, these medicines also did not appear on record.

Some of the staff members at a dispensary claimed that they had bought these medicines on the prescription of the lady doctor in-charge. When the doctor was approached, she said the medicines had not been entered in the stock register, and she was ignorant about their presence. from dawn of today

///i ALWAYS MAINTAINED THAT THE identity of pakistan will emerge from faisalabad. It has been confirmed that the vet medicines have been administered to rashid bin quiraishy, tahemd bin urtruly, romair bin nasqbandi, and also that the vet drugs were of camal quality. At last the age old question of pakistan ka matlab kya is being answered fron faislabad by the lady doctor who presribed the camal midicenes for the x bin ys of faisalabd.

What education,

This is yet another article by a mushaferian apologist with the mantra that education is the panacea. For pakistan education is the problem, the wrong kind, not the lack of it. On the chowk below is an article about the education, the curriculum requirement that needs the identification the hindus, about jihad, the k for kafir education. It is this kind of education of the last fifty years that has created the widespread support for jihad, the pors money into the collection boxes in every shops, that has created the schooled kind like the tahmed that cannot accept that there is no need to kill the kafirs, the types that find various hues of explanations for the jihadic killinmgs.

What pakistan needs is no education, nothing at all, so that the peole there can understand the value of human life, the dily struggle just to survive, and only then will they value life. Absolutely no exposure what so ever to any books, nothing at all.

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re: #7 by jay on June 27, 2003 7:08am PT

I agree with you. Pakistan needs to overhaul the Madrassah system. I am posting the link to an interesting survey conducted by Dr.Tariq Rehman which was also published in Dawn a couple of months ago.

http://asianaffairs.com/april2003/pakistan_tomorrow.htm

I am reproducing some results of the survey here (don`t have a link to complete results yet):

(Abbrevations:
MES = Madrassah-educated-students
EMS = English-medium students
UMS = Urdu-medium students)

Q. Should Pakistan support Kashmir Movement through Peaceful means?
MES: Violent insurgency (66%)
EMS: Peaceful means (73%)
UMS: Peaceful means (76%)

Q. Should Pakistan go to war with India on Kashmir Issue?
MES: Yes (68%)
EMS: No (64%)
UMS: No (54%)

Q. Should minorities (Hindus, Ahmediyas, Christians) and women be given equal rights in Pakistan?
MES: No (>70%)
EMS: Yes (>75%)
UMS: Yes (>65%)

Similarly the attitudes towards the West reflected a great divide between Urdu/English medium students and Madrassah-educated students. Although a majority of Madrassah-educated students held pacifist views, they still depicted a closed mind, supercilious dogmas and retrogressive ideals. Even on leadership, they differed from English/Urdu medium counterparts.

*EMS/UMS students equated good leadership with political vision, financial uprightness, efficient economic management, respect of law and constitution, and consensual decision-making.

*MES students equated good leadership with personal character, religious disposition, pan-Islamic vision, financial uprightness and Shariah-based decision making.

Pakistan society is as multiethnic and multilayered like any other in the world. The `Beverly Hills 90210` crowd wearing tight jeans and sporting European designer brands lives in its cocoon. And in the same city, you will also find bearded Muslims who don`t own a television set because they consider it obscene!!

The recent Talibanization drive in NWFP is perhaps another manifestation of different religious interpretations in Pakistan. Large segments of the society believe that secular democracy is a farce that fails to provide security, law and order, dignity, self-reliance and spiritual salvation. Having tried secular democracy (rather quasi-democracy or military rule, if you may) for over 55 years, they want to now give Shariah a chance.

IMHO, the best way to settle this debate is to let Shariah be imposed in NWFP. Let the Mullahs for a change make budgets, run the administration and make laws as they wish. If they succeed in providing social justice, economic opportunities and security, the rest of the country may also vote them into power. If they fail, the sphynx of Shariah will die a natural death anyway.

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CHIEF OF PAK ARMY

``The general public is pushed away from the route, the traffic is stopped and private cars are removed from parking places to deserted sites with fork lifters if the owners fail to respond to the warning of the police for doing so. Most annoying is the diversion of the public transport to far-flung routes, dropping the young, old, women and children at places far away from their destinations to walk in the scorching heat and under the blaze of the mighty sun.

From all these activities, it appears that Gen Musharraf, despite being a militaryman and, above all, the chief of the army staff, is scared of his own countrymen. The prime minister who says he is an elected representative is afraid of his voters. If this is not so, then this is a specimen of pomp and grandeur.

I am an aged man, a senior citizen as Mr Nawaz Sharif designated us. On the 13th of last month I was dropped by a bus one kilometre away on an alternative route where no other public conveyance was available, neither could I hire a taxi or a rickshaw because I had no money. I had to walk and many others like me did the same to reach their destinations.

On the 14th the same thing happened, but worse. This time I was dropped two kilometres away. One can imagine my plight. It is a cruel joke that the government is working for poverty alleviation. It is actually poverty elevation.

ASHIQ ALI

Lahore

Above is from dawn of today. This is what it takes for the chief pf pak army to visit a part of his military domain. This shows the extent to which the pak military has accepted the role of the non-countables. The entire kargill invasion was done by the non-countables while the military generals were writhing under paper cuts in wapda, pia, kesc. No doubt the pak army keeps taking aver its own country.
It is a disgrace that pakistanis still continue to claim allegiance to pak army. Pak army is the classic latin army, terror to its own people, paper tiger to the rest.

His exc 10,

Thank you for one of the most informative posts on pakistan. I am a bit surprised about the responses of the English medium educated, the baba black sheeps of pakistan. I would have expected a more significant support for peace, and probably a greater distinction with the Urdu medium students. May be only the medium of instruction is different, the curriculum, is the same, the k for kafir variety mentioned on chowk, and could explain.