The Razor’s Edge

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#9 by arjun_m on July 8, 2003 8:29am PT

Malaysia detains 17 Indian women for prostitution


http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_300790,00050004.htm

Hey, my Hindu Boy, What`s up with that man? When did you guys
started exporting your women with your so called ``IT``sweat shop workers.

As to the recent the killings in Quetta, the early indications point towards Afghans. This sort of incident never happened in Quetta and it suggests that Afghan politics are gradually slipping into Quetta after Karachi and Peshawar. The ransacking of the Pakistan embassy may be a part of the Afghan wars of factionalism. The situation inside Afghanistan is confused and these events are happening about two weeks after the United States asked Pakistan to seal its borders with Iran.

Ciao

This article is without any real facts, minds and research.
Might have struch a few correct cords but an overall view is that of naive
or some furious anti-islamist, so calle pseudo-secular nerd.
To some sincere Pakistani Muslims who might glimpse through my message,
First of all,
Do you know the mood in India.
How all this is looke from some govt guys and Hindutva nuggets.
Do you know the hatred that breeds among these hinutva nuggets for Islaam.
Yes, I am not generalising and not pointing it to all of the Indians,
I am talking of guys in the govt, and many here and there who try day and night to breed hatred amongst Hindus against Pakistan and bake their minds with indiffeence.
It is typical of Kuffar behaviour as we compare it to behaviour of Abu Sufiyan and Abu Jahl.
I am an Indian so I tell you the groun reality.
stop mongering amongst yourselves see the real threat.

Excellent analysis, Feroz.

Umer M.

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i think we can rule out sectarian violence or indian hand behind quetta. in the case of india, much more could have been achieved by targeting karachi or lahore. instead, quetta incidence seems to be the work of afghan arabs executed by either arabs or pakis. arabs used same modus operandi to get rid of ahmed shah masood. and they employed same strategy in kashmir during afghan war to divert paki army from afghan border. what would arab gains by killing hazaras? reports are emanating from the region that americans have started talking to some elements of taliban. execution of hazaras might have been carried out with aim of demonstrating to taliban that they (afghan arabs) still retain some firepower. hazaras and taliban have been engaged a brutal conflict (even by afghani standards) for a number of years. by killing hazaras (there have been two incidences against them) arabs are trying to prove their usefulness to taliban. ahmed shah masood was killed for the same reason.

so what should be paki response to mess in afghanistan? i think it is a good time to adapt ``you are with us or against us`` attitude. this threat should be directed to two sets of people. first pukhtoons should be told that pak cannot fight on behalf of their brethren in afghanistan. second, this threat should be directed to those elements in pak that are providing support to afghan arabs taking shelter in pak. some analyst on u.s. tv described u.s war strategy in afghanistan as ``hitting a beehive with a baseball bat``. those bees unfortunately are being given a lifeline in pak ghaddar parties like jamaat.

knowing paki establishment however, their response is going to be just the opposite to what i am suggesting.

At this point in time, Musharraf should let secular and populous Benazir into the political fold - and close his eyes towards their corruption. Similarly, let Nawaz enter the fray. Let the genuine political forces handle this complicated situation.

It is better to accept smaller evils rather the lose a whole lot at the national level.

He should also not talk about the Pashtuns and the ethnic balance in Afghanistan. It is the Afghan`s problem and not Pakistan`s problem.

His and Army`s game is over and they should find an honourable way to exit.

I am getting very uncomfortable - it smells like the pre 1971 situation.

A very long and analytical read, but any comments on the recent attacks on the Pakistani embassy in Kabul and Karzai`s claim of Pakistani forces incursion in Afghanistan? What does that equate in the power situation in the region?

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Old Hindu Prayer:

Oh, Lord Shiva, Save us from the claw of the tiger,
the fang of the cobra, and the vengeance of the Afghan.

FerozK:
A very detailed article, as usual. Here are few of my comments;

1) You are not counting on change of government in USA after 2004 election. I am betting on John Kerry to win easily with Gephardt or some midwestern as VP candidate. US will be pulling out of Afghanistan since there is nothing in it for USA. However, Afghanistan will not fall to Taliban even Pakistan giving full backing. This time Uzbekistan and through Uzbekistan Russia, Iran and India would be fully involved against Pakistanni backed Taliban and not letting them win.

2) The victory of MMA, as you suggested was engineered by Musharraf himslef willingly or unwillingly. The Islamist general is still JCSC and believed to have some support in the military establishment. However, it is wrong to assume that USA was caught looking the other way. USA knew the whole game and MMA is a card they can use against both Musharraf and Pakistan, if needed. They can still label Pakistan terrorist nation or enter in cities in hot persuit of terrorists. MMA is the key in the hand of USA to open the gates to Pakistan, should they need it.

3) The Pashtun factor can destabilize Pakistan in the same way as Bengali factor did in 1971. Balochis, Panjabis and Mohajirs are not particulalry fond of Pashtun since millions were allowed as refugees and almost none went back. Within NWFP, Hindko speaking and Pushtu speaking do not get along well. However, Pashtuns have most nationalistic tendencies. Many still wish to unite with Afghan Pashtuns.

4) USA is not stupid to be betting all chips on Musharraf who has many weaknesses, credibility being the most important. Like Zia before him, he could be removed by the military themselves to pave the way for the next breed of plots mafia and land grabbers.

The United States does have an option unlike Pakistan. It can always choose to withdraw if the going gets too hot, leaving Pakistan to deal with the dangerous fallout. For Pakistan, there`s simply seems to be no escape. There is bound to be plenty of unrest in the frontier provinces where the Taliban and Al Qaeda are said to have regrouped and are mounting attacks on American troops across the border in Afghanistan. This simmering conflict is definitely poised to get more intense in the coming days. It will be interesting to see how Pakistan handles the time bomb that is ticking away ominously.

As an aside, the attack on Shias in Quetta is now being attributed to an Indo-Afghan (KHAD-RAW) nexus. The Iranians are also chafing at the attack, and seem to be considering training armed groups of Hazaras to counter the growing violence against the Shias. It looks as though everybody is out to give Pakistan a taste of it`s own medicine. The chickens seem to have at last, well and truly come home to roost.