The Mental Animal & The Rib!

Good to see your pieces on chowk.

Do the impossible!

Interesting. Following is noted:
1. It is perceptive of you to exclude Hinduism and Buddhism from the the rib theory!
2. Further, I thought that Judeo-Christian-Islamic monotheists thought that God had created woman out of Adam`s rib. This coupled with your first sentence is a potent explosive!
3. There is no conflict between religion and science for those understand either!! Certainly not for those who understand both. So, here it is: Religion and philosophy are elementary science or self delusion. I use elementary in its ALL meanings.
4. Your assessment of the degradation of art in a commercial world is correct.
5. I congratulate you at your identification of the reasons for the rabid support of religions and the conversions of others derived therefrom.
6. I agree with your third paragraph form the end.
7. You should, however, not have caved in to the desire to get responses at any cost. You failed to propound a positive thesis on which substantive discussion could proceed.

Lessons.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=naive

http://www.jabootu.com/images/apefinger.jpg

you mean captialism aka american style captialism is not a religion??!!!

I agrre with you -- man/womankind needs both Science and religion -- science to find the opium -- and the religion to sleep with it --

(with apologies to both Mulla Omar and Karl Marx)

Nadeem:

According to the (mostly agnostic) sociologists, anthropologists, psychologists, gynecologists…sorry …the usually very observant and intelligent men & women of 21st Century science--``Man is a social animal.``

...what, no proctologist?!

``...religions like Buddhism and Hinduism--the world`s major monotheist religions like Islam, Christianity and Judaism, suggest that man is basically a rib! Or, in other words, man is an extension of a rib.``

I just want to clarify something here, the book of Genesis in the Old Testament says that God created Adam, and Eve was created from Adam`s rib. Its true that the followers of Judaism and Christianity both believe in this, Islam however says nothing of the sort. According to the Quran, Adam and Eve were both created by God in the same way that all human beings are created.

I`d also like to add that I dont agree with Darwin`s theory of evolution because I cant accept that my ancestors were apes!! Like you said, human beings are ashraful-makhlukat. How can they be the supremest of beings created by God when at one time, they were swinging from tree to tree and fighting over bananas??

I think it was written very good just a little lengthy for a reader like me.
For Mr RZaidi, I think evolutionists have better explained the origin of mankind than creationists.
I liked that Mr Paracha talked about Science, Religion and Art. Normally, Art is ignored in the discussion of Science and religion.

#9 by quest on July 23, 2003 2:47pm PT

You`re saying that your ancestors were apes before they just evolved into walking talking human beings? well i guess that`s just your opinion because you obviously dont believe in God and how He created human beings, which I have no problem with and I have no right to tell you whether I think you`re right or wrong. But lets just suppose that the theory of evolution is actually true and evolutionists are infact correct when they say that apes evolved into human beings... can you just answer one question that I have though? can you tell me how evolutionists explain the origin of apes??

and it isnt ``MR`` RZaidi...

RZaidi #10: you write ``You`re saying that your ancestors were apes before they just evolved into walking talking human beings? well i guess that`s just your opinion because you obviously dont believe in God and how He created human beings``

I got news for you sister Rzaidi: God created apes too. And great-great...grandma Zaidi did indeed jump from tree to tree. So very sorry to break this to you. And if you think humans are too good to have ancestors that jump from tree to tree - that is a more elegant thing than a lot of things all humans also perform.

What?? You want an example of what these other things are??? Since you insist, here is one example: answering the call of nature. Another example: method of procreation...

Reflect upon this next time you think you are too good to be descended from an ape...

``I`d also like to add that I dont agree with Darwin`s theory of evolution because I cant accept that my ancestors were apes!! ``(Rzaidi)

a good enough reason indeed...

If only someone had told Darwin this the poor old bearded chap would not have wasted himself in Galapagos Islands.

tahmed sahib:
Why so harsh, bhai?!?

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Have to take you to task regarding this statement. Artistotle was the first to state that man is a social being. That view that the origins of man are social - tribal, familial, and people oriented - was then accepted by a large number of religious people over the centuries and that is what most religions accept to this day. In fact, modern science takes the opposite view - that the first man was an isolated entity. It derives this view from the Hobbesian view towards the state of nature. If you`re going to argue that ``agnostics`` and the ``men of the 21st century`` have a view towards ``man`` per se, you ought to state that it is ``that man is an individual entity.`` The idea that man is a social animal is the one that is traditionally used to justify religion and other theocentric philosophies.

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do appologize for `Mr` thing.

#11 by tahmed32 on July 23, 2003 6:13pm PT

I know God created apes too! But He created human beings before he created apes. He didnt create apes first and then left them to ``evolve`` into human beings. Evolutionists dont believe in God, if they did they wouldnt say such a thing and clearly you`re confused about what to believe. On one hand you`re saying that God is powerful enough to create apes and let them evolve into humans and then you say He couldnt have just created human beings!
Like I said, you`re confused, either believe in God completely and accept the fact that human beings were created by Him or disregard anything you know about the exixtence of God and believe completely in the theory of evolution!

And as for your smart-ass example of answering the call of nature etc., all i can say to that is that ALL animals answer the call of nature, and all of them procreate, maybe not all in the exact same way but they do! so are you saying that all these animals are going to evolve into human beings or some other new improved version of themselves??

and my reply wasnt an insult meant for you, it was just my opinion...do you absolutely HAVE to be rude to someone who thinks a little differently from you??