The Zionist In Me
Haroon Moghul August 1, 2003
#1 Posted by MantoLives on August 1, 2003 11:04:29 am
It is the success of the resilient jewish community which pisses the hell out of us muslims... imagine 20 million or so people and the measure of their resolve and success...
I salute the jews and the zionists.
-Manto
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#2 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on August 1, 2003 12:27:17 pm
Manto # 1
I fully subscribe to your views.
#3 Posted by yagacho on August 1, 2003 7:50:34 pm
``Lies, sins and injustices are always (eventually) revealed to the world. God gives temporary respite to sinners, allowing them time to reconsider – that is, time to reform. ``
This is almost a childish remark.
This is not USA bashing but fact of the matter is that during the vietnam war USA did not have precision bombs. So us air force used to carpet bomb huge swathes of lands. It will not be irrational to suggest that at least one million vietnamese civilians would have been killed by americans in vietnam. Well, america is the sole superpower today.
A better example would be the britishers that left their overcrowded island and settled in colonies. Given their humane tendencies they simply killed all the natives, be it america, australia or newzealand. All these countries are some of the best nations in the world.
Going further back, mongols massacared whole populations when they invaded lands, yet they ruled over a massive empire for quiet sometime.
Hence to suggest that wrongdoers are punished in this world is wishful thinking at best.
This is almost a childish remark.
This is not USA bashing but fact of the matter is that during the vietnam war USA did not have precision bombs. So us air force used to carpet bomb huge swathes of lands. It will not be irrational to suggest that at least one million vietnamese civilians would have been killed by americans in vietnam. Well, america is the sole superpower today.
A better example would be the britishers that left their overcrowded island and settled in colonies. Given their humane tendencies they simply killed all the natives, be it america, australia or newzealand. All these countries are some of the best nations in the world.
Going further back, mongols massacared whole populations when they invaded lands, yet they ruled over a massive empire for quiet sometime.
Hence to suggest that wrongdoers are punished in this world is wishful thinking at best.
#4 Posted by bbabu on August 1, 2003 9:42:34 pm
Israel rules land inhabited by 5 million Palestinians. What about all the other Muslim states and Muslims in those states ?
#5 Posted by jay on August 2, 2003 1:24:15 am
``But underneath a lot of Muslim analysis lies an unspoken, unfair and irresponsible practice, which finds fault with Israel for things that have nothing to do with her – the practice of a people who no longer understand the world, feel themselves capable of handling it, or even want to attempt counteracting it.``
Haroon, you have hit the nail on the proverbial head, if only you could do it on those of fellow muslims. What ever be the reason, spare me the golden age of islam crap, the muslims do not value education all over the world, and the focuss is on the book. This being the words of the god, all the misery is attributed to mulsims not following the book properly, and out mushrooms the madrassas. There is escape for the muslims, as long as the book is reinterpreted. Then comes the fatwa, the blasphemy laws. The book is like a termite mound, it has its soldiers, it has its workers, it has its attendants to the queen.
Look at pakistan, once the infedels have been wiped out, statrting from an almost secular basis, pakistan in the last 50 years have become incapable of comprehending the norms of this world. Look at the lates comments by mushy, he wants a defenition of terrorism, may be he means jihad is not terrorism....
haroon, go and read the article on chowk abou t urdu papaers, read a whole lot of them, there is no hope for those who buried their head in one book.
Haroon, you have hit the nail on the proverbial head, if only you could do it on those of fellow muslims. What ever be the reason, spare me the golden age of islam crap, the muslims do not value education all over the world, and the focuss is on the book. This being the words of the god, all the misery is attributed to mulsims not following the book properly, and out mushrooms the madrassas. There is escape for the muslims, as long as the book is reinterpreted. Then comes the fatwa, the blasphemy laws. The book is like a termite mound, it has its soldiers, it has its workers, it has its attendants to the queen.
Look at pakistan, once the infedels have been wiped out, statrting from an almost secular basis, pakistan in the last 50 years have become incapable of comprehending the norms of this world. Look at the lates comments by mushy, he wants a defenition of terrorism, may be he means jihad is not terrorism....
haroon, go and read the article on chowk abou t urdu papaers, read a whole lot of them, there is no hope for those who buried their head in one book.
#6 Posted by temporal on August 2, 2003 7:48:15 am
haroon:
...since i make a distinction between jews and zionists...will disagree with nazar and manto (welcome back:)....
...while disagreeing with their human rights abuses...i salute the grit, zeal, determination and resolve of the jews in the diaspora and in israel...and to borrow from yiddish...their chutzpah...we...both in our homelands and in the diaspora can learn and emulate from their successes...
rgd,
t
...since i make a distinction between jews and zionists...will disagree with nazar and manto (welcome back:)....
...while disagreeing with their human rights abuses...i salute the grit, zeal, determination and resolve of the jews in the diaspora and in israel...and to borrow from yiddish...their chutzpah...we...both in our homelands and in the diaspora can learn and emulate from their successes...
rgd,
t
#7 Posted by harimau on August 2, 2003 7:56:51 am
Ref yagacho #3
What is the difference between Colonel Ghadhafi and President Eisenhower? About 33 years!
Target: Zhou Enlai
Was America`s CIA working with Taiwan agents to kill Chinese premier?
by Wendell L. Minnick
From the Far Eastern Economic Review, 13 July 1995, pages 54-55.
It has been the plot of a hundred spy novels: a plane full of passengers is bombed to kill one man. In April 1955, that man was Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai and the plane was Air-India`s Kashmir Princess. However, unlike a spy yarn, the assassins missed their target
and killed a planeload of passengers in vain.
New information uncovered by Oxford University scholar and Hong Kong native Steve Tsang, from British, Taiwanese, American and Hong Kong archives -- revealed in a recent China Quarterly article -- names Kuomintang agents in Taiwan as the culprits. Though
Tsang says that the United States Central Intelligence Agency was not involved, questions persist.
On the night of April 11, 1955, the chartered Air-India flight was carrying a minor delegation of Chinese and East Europeans from Hong Kong to Indonesia to attend the Afro-Asian Conference in Bandung. Around 7 p.m., at 18,000 feet, a time bomb detonated in the
wheel bay of the starboard wing, blowing a hole in the No.3 fuel tank. The crew heard the explosion, the fire-warning light for the baggage compartment came on, and horrified passengers watched the fire travel up the wing. The captain shut off the right inboard engine, fearing it would catch fire, leaving the other three engines running. The crew sent out three distress signals giving their position over the Natuna Islands before the radio went dead.
Before the radio failed, the Jakarta control tower asked if Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai was aboard. The answer was no, but the question must have bewildered the crew. Unknown to them, Zhou was the very reason they were now fighting for their lives.
Zhou`s travel plans were kept in strict secrecy. In fact, the premier did not leave China until April 14 -- three days after the bombing -- when he flew to Rangoon to meet with Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru and Burmese leader U Nu before continuing on to
Bandung.
The secrecy that surrounded Zhou`s travel plans saved his life -- and doomed the Kashmir Princess. The same Air-India plane was scheduled to fly to Rangoon to pick up Zhou for his trip to Indonesia. In fact, Tsang argues Zhou knew about the assassination plot.
``Evidence now suggests that Zhou knew of the plot beforehand and secretly changed his travel plans, though he did not stop a decoy delegation of lesser cadres from taking his place,`` Tsang wrote in the September 1994 issue of the academic journal, China Quarterly.
The Kashmir Princess was only an hour from its scheduled landing in Jakarta when the captain decided to ditch the plane at sea. The crew issued life jackets and opened the emergency doors to ensure a quick escape. As the cold wind rushed into the plane,
the aircraft began the descent into the dark waters below.
The starboard wing struck the water first, tearing the plane into three parts. The flight engineer, navigator and first officer escaped. But the remaining 16 passengers and crew members died, including seven Chinese cadres, mainly journalists, and three journalists from Austria, Poland and North Vietnam.
Rumours of CIA and KMT involvement surfaced immediately. The day after the crash, China`s Foreign Ministry issued a statement that described the bombing as ``a murder by the special service organizations of the United States and Chiang Kai-shek,`` the head of
the KMT government.
Zhou was a constant irritant to the CIA and KMT during this time. The CIA`s covert war with China was in full swing during the 1950s. The agency created several front organizations to deal with Communist expansionism in Asia. These included the Asia Foundation, Civil Air Transport (later renamed Air America) and the China Quarterly.
Many in the West saw the Bandung conference as a gathering of communists and pro-communists. The CIA believed that China planned to use the conference to boost its image as a world power. In response, the agency sent agents posing as journalists to cover the
conference. Some CIA officers may have had other ideas.
Eleven years later, a U.S. Senate committee investigating CIA operations heard testimony that gave murky details of a CIA plot to assassinate an ``East Asian leader`` attending a 1955 Asian conference. The leader`s identity remained under wraps for another 11 years. In 1977, William Corson, a retired U.S. Marine Corps intelligence officer who served in Asia, published ``Armies of Ignorance,`` identifying him as Zhou Enlai.
Corson told the Review that Gen. Lucian Truscott had brought the operation to a halt. Soon after his appointment as the CIA`s deputy director in 1954, Truscott discovered that the CIA was planning to assassinate Zhou. During the final banquet in Bandung, a CIA agent would slip a poison into Zhou`s rice bowl that would not take effect for 48 hours, allowing for Zhou`s return to China. According to Corson, Truscott confronted CIA Director Allen Dulles, forcing him to terminate the operation.
Tsang found evidence in archives that points directly to KMT agents operating in Hong Kong as the perpetrators of the plane bombing. According to him, the Nationalists had a special-operations group stationed in Hong Kong responsible for assassination and sabotage. Designated the Hong Kong Group under Maj-Gen Kong Hoi-ping, it operated a network of 90
agents.
``The specific team actually behind this attempt to assassinate Zhou Enlai was the Number Five Liaison Group under Tsang Yat-nin,`` the Oxford scholar said. ``In this operation, Tsang was under the command of Wu Yi-chin`` of the KMT`s Security Bureau.
In March 1955, the KMT`s Tsang recruited Chow Tse-ming, alias Chou Chu, who had been a cleaner for Hong Kong Aircraft Engineering Co. since 1950. Chow`s job at the airport gave him easy access to the Air-India plane. The Nationalists offered Chow the then-fantastic sum of HK$600,000 (currently $78,000) and refuge in Taiwan, if necessary.
The plane flew from Bombay to Hong Kong, and was grounded for 80 minutes to allow for refuelling and boarding. At this time, Chow placed the bomb on board. At 1:30 p.m., the Air-India plane made its last take-off, crashing hours later.
On May 26, an Indonesian board of inquiry announced that a time bomb with an American-made MK-7 detonator was responsible for the crash. The revelation triggered political shock waves in Hong Kong. The governor, Sir Alexander Grantham, had already announced that his office was satisfied no tampering had occurred in Hong Kong.
The Hong Kong authorities offered HK$100,000 for information leading to the arrest of those
responsible. They questioned 71 people connected with the servicing of the Air-India flight. When police began to focus on Chow, he stowed away aboard a CIA-owned Civil Air Transport aircraft on a flight to Taiwan.
The Hong Kong police concluded that the KMT had recruited Chow to plant the bomb. Apparently, he had bragged to friends about placing it aboard the airliner. He had also spent large sums of money before he left Hong Kong. Police tried to extradite Chow;
Taiwan refused to acknowledge him as a KMT agent.
But the story does not end with Chow`s escape. On October 24, 1967, the Soviet newspaper Pravda announced the defection of an American, John Discoe Smith. In his memoirs, entitled ``I Was an Agent of the CIA,`` published in Literaturnaya Gazeta that year,
Smith detailed his adventures as an agent -- including his delivery of a time bomb to a Chinese Nationalist agent. He says that in 1955, Jack Curran, a CIA officer attached to the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi, asked him to deliver a bag to a Wang Feng at the Maidens Hotel in the Indian capital. Smith claimed it was a bomb, the one used to destroy the Air-India plane.
According to a 1979 classified U.S. Senate International Operations report, the KMT planned
another assassination of Zhou Enlai in 1971, this time using a trained ``kamikaze dog wearing a remote-controlled bomb.`` The plot, the report says, was as bizarre as it was elaborate.
The KMT sent an agent to Switzerland to pay an Italian neo-fascist group to carry out the plan while Zhou was visiting Paris. KMT agents had acquired linens that Zhou had used in a hotel outside of China. They used them to train a police dog named Kelly to learn Zhou`s
scent. The dog was to be outfitted with a remote- control bomb, which would be detonated when Kelly made contact with Zhou. The KMT dropped the plan when China cancelled Zhou`s trip.
The urbane Chinese leader later played an important role in reaching a detente between the U.S. and China, making the assassination attempts on Zhou`s life now seem ironic.
What is the difference between Colonel Ghadhafi and President Eisenhower? About 33 years!
Target: Zhou Enlai
Was America`s CIA working with Taiwan agents to kill Chinese premier?
by Wendell L. Minnick
From the Far Eastern Economic Review, 13 July 1995, pages 54-55.
It has been the plot of a hundred spy novels: a plane full of passengers is bombed to kill one man. In April 1955, that man was Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai and the plane was Air-India`s Kashmir Princess. However, unlike a spy yarn, the assassins missed their target
and killed a planeload of passengers in vain.
New information uncovered by Oxford University scholar and Hong Kong native Steve Tsang, from British, Taiwanese, American and Hong Kong archives -- revealed in a recent China Quarterly article -- names Kuomintang agents in Taiwan as the culprits. Though
Tsang says that the United States Central Intelligence Agency was not involved, questions persist.
On the night of April 11, 1955, the chartered Air-India flight was carrying a minor delegation of Chinese and East Europeans from Hong Kong to Indonesia to attend the Afro-Asian Conference in Bandung. Around 7 p.m., at 18,000 feet, a time bomb detonated in the
wheel bay of the starboard wing, blowing a hole in the No.3 fuel tank. The crew heard the explosion, the fire-warning light for the baggage compartment came on, and horrified passengers watched the fire travel up the wing. The captain shut off the right inboard engine, fearing it would catch fire, leaving the other three engines running. The crew sent out three distress signals giving their position over the Natuna Islands before the radio went dead.
Before the radio failed, the Jakarta control tower asked if Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai was aboard. The answer was no, but the question must have bewildered the crew. Unknown to them, Zhou was the very reason they were now fighting for their lives.
Zhou`s travel plans were kept in strict secrecy. In fact, the premier did not leave China until April 14 -- three days after the bombing -- when he flew to Rangoon to meet with Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru and Burmese leader U Nu before continuing on to
Bandung.
The secrecy that surrounded Zhou`s travel plans saved his life -- and doomed the Kashmir Princess. The same Air-India plane was scheduled to fly to Rangoon to pick up Zhou for his trip to Indonesia. In fact, Tsang argues Zhou knew about the assassination plot.
``Evidence now suggests that Zhou knew of the plot beforehand and secretly changed his travel plans, though he did not stop a decoy delegation of lesser cadres from taking his place,`` Tsang wrote in the September 1994 issue of the academic journal, China Quarterly.
The Kashmir Princess was only an hour from its scheduled landing in Jakarta when the captain decided to ditch the plane at sea. The crew issued life jackets and opened the emergency doors to ensure a quick escape. As the cold wind rushed into the plane,
the aircraft began the descent into the dark waters below.
The starboard wing struck the water first, tearing the plane into three parts. The flight engineer, navigator and first officer escaped. But the remaining 16 passengers and crew members died, including seven Chinese cadres, mainly journalists, and three journalists from Austria, Poland and North Vietnam.
Rumours of CIA and KMT involvement surfaced immediately. The day after the crash, China`s Foreign Ministry issued a statement that described the bombing as ``a murder by the special service organizations of the United States and Chiang Kai-shek,`` the head of
the KMT government.
Zhou was a constant irritant to the CIA and KMT during this time. The CIA`s covert war with China was in full swing during the 1950s. The agency created several front organizations to deal with Communist expansionism in Asia. These included the Asia Foundation, Civil Air Transport (later renamed Air America) and the China Quarterly.
Many in the West saw the Bandung conference as a gathering of communists and pro-communists. The CIA believed that China planned to use the conference to boost its image as a world power. In response, the agency sent agents posing as journalists to cover the
conference. Some CIA officers may have had other ideas.
Eleven years later, a U.S. Senate committee investigating CIA operations heard testimony that gave murky details of a CIA plot to assassinate an ``East Asian leader`` attending a 1955 Asian conference. The leader`s identity remained under wraps for another 11 years. In 1977, William Corson, a retired U.S. Marine Corps intelligence officer who served in Asia, published ``Armies of Ignorance,`` identifying him as Zhou Enlai.
Corson told the Review that Gen. Lucian Truscott had brought the operation to a halt. Soon after his appointment as the CIA`s deputy director in 1954, Truscott discovered that the CIA was planning to assassinate Zhou. During the final banquet in Bandung, a CIA agent would slip a poison into Zhou`s rice bowl that would not take effect for 48 hours, allowing for Zhou`s return to China. According to Corson, Truscott confronted CIA Director Allen Dulles, forcing him to terminate the operation.
Tsang found evidence in archives that points directly to KMT agents operating in Hong Kong as the perpetrators of the plane bombing. According to him, the Nationalists had a special-operations group stationed in Hong Kong responsible for assassination and sabotage. Designated the Hong Kong Group under Maj-Gen Kong Hoi-ping, it operated a network of 90
agents.
``The specific team actually behind this attempt to assassinate Zhou Enlai was the Number Five Liaison Group under Tsang Yat-nin,`` the Oxford scholar said. ``In this operation, Tsang was under the command of Wu Yi-chin`` of the KMT`s Security Bureau.
In March 1955, the KMT`s Tsang recruited Chow Tse-ming, alias Chou Chu, who had been a cleaner for Hong Kong Aircraft Engineering Co. since 1950. Chow`s job at the airport gave him easy access to the Air-India plane. The Nationalists offered Chow the then-fantastic sum of HK$600,000 (currently $78,000) and refuge in Taiwan, if necessary.
The plane flew from Bombay to Hong Kong, and was grounded for 80 minutes to allow for refuelling and boarding. At this time, Chow placed the bomb on board. At 1:30 p.m., the Air-India plane made its last take-off, crashing hours later.
On May 26, an Indonesian board of inquiry announced that a time bomb with an American-made MK-7 detonator was responsible for the crash. The revelation triggered political shock waves in Hong Kong. The governor, Sir Alexander Grantham, had already announced that his office was satisfied no tampering had occurred in Hong Kong.
The Hong Kong authorities offered HK$100,000 for information leading to the arrest of those
responsible. They questioned 71 people connected with the servicing of the Air-India flight. When police began to focus on Chow, he stowed away aboard a CIA-owned Civil Air Transport aircraft on a flight to Taiwan.
The Hong Kong police concluded that the KMT had recruited Chow to plant the bomb. Apparently, he had bragged to friends about placing it aboard the airliner. He had also spent large sums of money before he left Hong Kong. Police tried to extradite Chow;
Taiwan refused to acknowledge him as a KMT agent.
But the story does not end with Chow`s escape. On October 24, 1967, the Soviet newspaper Pravda announced the defection of an American, John Discoe Smith. In his memoirs, entitled ``I Was an Agent of the CIA,`` published in Literaturnaya Gazeta that year,
Smith detailed his adventures as an agent -- including his delivery of a time bomb to a Chinese Nationalist agent. He says that in 1955, Jack Curran, a CIA officer attached to the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi, asked him to deliver a bag to a Wang Feng at the Maidens Hotel in the Indian capital. Smith claimed it was a bomb, the one used to destroy the Air-India plane.
According to a 1979 classified U.S. Senate International Operations report, the KMT planned
another assassination of Zhou Enlai in 1971, this time using a trained ``kamikaze dog wearing a remote-controlled bomb.`` The plot, the report says, was as bizarre as it was elaborate.
The KMT sent an agent to Switzerland to pay an Italian neo-fascist group to carry out the plan while Zhou was visiting Paris. KMT agents had acquired linens that Zhou had used in a hotel outside of China. They used them to train a police dog named Kelly to learn Zhou`s
scent. The dog was to be outfitted with a remote- control bomb, which would be detonated when Kelly made contact with Zhou. The KMT dropped the plan when China cancelled Zhou`s trip.
The urbane Chinese leader later played an important role in reaching a detente between the U.S. and China, making the assassination attempts on Zhou`s life now seem ironic.
#8 Posted by Ali87 on August 2, 2003 7:57:10 am
#5 by jay on August 2, 2003 1:24am PT
Funny jay baba I happened to meet 5 Iranis who were doing their PHD In petroleum technology. My Pakistani neighibour is a very senior Doctor never miss a prayer. One of the Directors of Broadcom at one time was a PHD from egypt another GM was from Iran my friend a hindoo told me how particualr they both were about prayers.
Apparently they were following some other book than the termite ridden one you are referring.
On the other had we can call those who are in 80+% majority to say that they are discriminated against in their country, That they fear the minoroty which is going to over take them soon in population. I suppose that they get enlightment by reading spanking new ebooks. And what can you say about those who belive that their ancesstors took such a beating that left millions/billions? dead and could not rise for 1000 years. Now no termites there are they??
Funny jay baba I happened to meet 5 Iranis who were doing their PHD In petroleum technology. My Pakistani neighibour is a very senior Doctor never miss a prayer. One of the Directors of Broadcom at one time was a PHD from egypt another GM was from Iran my friend a hindoo told me how particualr they both were about prayers.
Apparently they were following some other book than the termite ridden one you are referring.
On the other had we can call those who are in 80+% majority to say that they are discriminated against in their country, That they fear the minoroty which is going to over take them soon in population. I suppose that they get enlightment by reading spanking new ebooks. And what can you say about those who belive that their ancesstors took such a beating that left millions/billions? dead and could not rise for 1000 years. Now no termites there are they??
#9 Posted by rsaxena on August 2, 2003 7:57:38 am
...hatred of israel is perhaps the only thing that unites muslim masses across the entire muslim world...it is funny in a way...people in faraway lands who have no reason to hate israel hate it...
...at least india is hated only by pakis...but iraqis and iranians, for example, seem to have no problems befriending india...
...at least india is hated only by pakis...but iraqis and iranians, for example, seem to have no problems befriending india...
#10 Posted by yantric on August 2, 2003 7:59:00 am
Israel and Zionism fulfill a great need for the muslims. Muslims have created Israel as a perfect whipping boy and all the flaws instead of being corrected are blamed on Israel/Zionist/Jews.
Israel, I believe holds less than 1% of the entire Arabian Territory and much less that .1% of the total territory that belongs to Muslims. There are only 20 million citizens of Israel compared to 1.3 billion islamic people. However, if there is any talk about shortcomings of ANY Muslim people, the response invariably is that the reason for all islamic ills is due to Jews/Zionists/Israelis. I wonder why don`t the muslims feel ashamed that such a small minority of Jews without any resources such as oil can screw up the entire Ulema. The only conclusion that can be reached is that either Muslims are total morons or else the Jews are so superior that being in such a small minority they can arrest the progress of all the muslims.
Israel, I believe holds less than 1% of the entire Arabian Territory and much less that .1% of the total territory that belongs to Muslims. There are only 20 million citizens of Israel compared to 1.3 billion islamic people. However, if there is any talk about shortcomings of ANY Muslim people, the response invariably is that the reason for all islamic ills is due to Jews/Zionists/Israelis. I wonder why don`t the muslims feel ashamed that such a small minority of Jews without any resources such as oil can screw up the entire Ulema. The only conclusion that can be reached is that either Muslims are total morons or else the Jews are so superior that being in such a small minority they can arrest the progress of all the muslims.
#11 Posted by ferozk on August 2, 2003 9:05:50 am
re: Temporal # 6
Well said old friend! There is a marked difference between the two identities.
Ciao
Well said old friend! There is a marked difference between the two identities.
Ciao
#12 Posted by Ali87 on August 2, 2003 12:21:18 pm
#12 by arjun_m on August 2, 2003 9:30am PT
Perhaps the editors feel the particular spelling is used is degratory..
That was not my intention.
Perhaps the editors feel the particular spelling is used is degratory..
That was not my intention.
#13 Posted by arjun_m on August 2, 2003 4:41:07 pm
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#14 Posted by stuka on August 2, 2003 4:45:17 pm
You Brown hindoo!!!
hindoo! hindoo! hindoo! hindoo! hindoo! hindoo! hindoo! hindoo! hindoo!
:)
hindoo! hindoo! hindoo! hindoo! hindoo! hindoo! hindoo! hindoo! hindoo!
:)
#15 Posted by m_souza on August 2, 2003 4:49:02 pm
hindoohindoohindoo hindoohindoo hindoo hindoo hindoohindoo hindoohindoo
and
many muslims are hindoo too (a hindoo who converted )
signed
a hindoo
a bad hindoo
a mean hindoo
a coward hindoo (ali87`s grandpaa who took the beating from the.....and then converted)
and
many muslims are hindoo too (a hindoo who converted )
signed
a hindoo
a bad hindoo
a mean hindoo
a coward hindoo (ali87`s grandpaa who took the beating from the.....and then converted)
#16 Posted by Ali87 on August 2, 2003 10:27:07 pm
m_souza LoL
Quite sensititive arent you!!??? If my grandfather converted they you feel hurt.. a few hundreds of years and still hurts... If your Grandfather was abusing the Dalits continously you did not feel any hurt.. I suppose that is left to the generations of the Dalits.
Quite sensititive arent you!!??? If my grandfather converted they you feel hurt.. a few hundreds of years and still hurts... If your Grandfather was abusing the Dalits continously you did not feel any hurt.. I suppose that is left to the generations of the Dalits.
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