Youth Without Borders

Re: tahmed 32 :

So you want India and pakistan to sit together and talk about poverty cz thats the core issue according to you ? kiddo which world are you living in.......this is not one of your idealistc dreams sunny....WAKE up and smell the coffee.....the fact is that KASHMIR is the core issue because of which the army spending on btoh sides is at such level.......had there been no conflict like kashmir between the two sides we wouldnt have the need to spend so much on defence......next time think before writing such an aimless reply.
Sure the poverty issue is a major issue in the sub continent ...but its a collective issue...its not an issue for confrontation between the two countries.......it can only be tackled when we dont have an angry neighbour to contend with.
cheers
raza

stuka:

i will try to say this without being dramatic. my father, an indian citizen for nearly thirty years, was denied a visa by indian govt when he wanted to visit my grandfather who he had not seen in 15 years and who was about to die from cancer. therefore, i dont buy the argument that we are the bad guys in this conflict. i also dont hold any grudges against anyone and i only have contempt for people who want to play the victim game to make up for other inadequacies they have in their lives. sad things have happened to a lot of people in our part of the world and it just gets tedious to listen to these stories time and time again. at some point, you have to just start looking to the future.

tahmed sahib:

people who know me call names far worse than that. so you will have to do a lot better if you want me to get riled.

#269 by faisaluno wrote

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stuka:

i will try to say this without being dramatic. my father, an indian citizen for nearly thirty years, was denied a visa by indian govt when he wanted to visit my grandfather who he had not seen in 15 years and who was about to die from cancer. therefore, i dont buy the argument that we are the bad guys in this conflict. i also dont hold any grudges against anyone and i only have contempt for people who want to play the victim game to make up for other inadequacies they have in their lives. sad things have happened to a lot of people in our part of the world and it just gets tedious to listen to these stories time and time again. at some point, you have to just start looking to the future.

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Thanks stuka for that.....and introducing me to Faisaluno....

I agree faisaluno I totally agree with you. but before that I need to say this.... Atleast your father had a choice and he took it. I did not. Your father knew who his father was I did not your father knew who his mother was I did not you father knew who his grandfather was I did so and so forth - I cannot even recall their faces. (there was story on this recently (ina different context by Harpreet)) It is scary. Atleast you and your kith and kin know who they are and from where you come from. I am happy that god has given you that opportunity.

Anyway on a totally different aspect of (no point dwelling and labouring it since people like you donot know the suffering your ilk causes to tother) this topic.

Recently (and for the past few two years) I have had the honour of supervising a student from Pakistan. (though my no means the first). We never talked of pakistan or india and got along okay - he as usual initially siring me etc . Then recently I met his father and granddad. My jaw dropped - I was cold. Guess what the boy lives in the same house as we did- and apparently has been there since 1952 and I did recognise the grandpa....but now he did not know anything about me and I found it strange that this man who was abusing me and my kind few years back was today siring me like his grandson.....I have however not said anything....since I find the kid good and do not want anything extreneuous to come in the way. Now Faislauno that is forgiving.....I know I have but it seems your kind and ilk cannot and are now infecting the country with freedoms with your brand infamy!

Future looked bright till some wise guys decided that the way forward was to terrorise NYC and the US - boy were they wrong. They now cry when they are marginally asked to show evidence of who they are...not the heavy jack boot stuff but pretty mild compared to what they are capable back home....but hey life moves on

the future.....is for you guys ...

Rsaxena:

``...trying to win some coolness points with paki chicks again...tsk tsk....some things never change.... ;) ``

What coolness points. Your best friend Scout and certain Commie interactor think I am the devil incarnate. If I had a strategy to score coolness points with Paki chicks, it has succeeded as much as the Democrat attempt to brow beat George Bush ;)

#270/268 by rsaxena:

whine thackeray whine!...your nervous laughter is for all to see...

Faisaluno: Oh I understand. Mmy point was not to call you guys the bad guys but to ask you to have the same understanding for those victimized on your side as you would for those who are on our side as well.

razzz #205
while we did take our O`Levels and didn`t sit for the matriculation exam...history is still history...pakistan studies text books aren`t purged of the `common men` and speak volumes of the `common blood` that was shed. An interesting exercise that was carried out at camp dealt directly with excerpts from Indian and Pakistani history text-books...the Indians and the Pakistanis were split up into groups (2 indian & 2 pakistani groups) and we drew timelines...partition, kashmir yada yada...after making them we put them together and looked at each other`s work. It was shocking beyond belief. They were diametrically opposite...facts didn`t remain facts anymore and neither side knew what to believe. After having a `re-construction of history` workshop, after giving some and then taking some...we reached common ground.
The fact of the matter being that as Mantolives put it, #211 ``Some of these elitist kids are the ones who will, through the benefit of their class, be politicians, industrialists, and the media moguls. In short they will be the opinion-makers...`` Is that too elitist a thought for you to entertain?

...hahahaha....t has been pissed at rsaxena ever since he tried to protect farzana versey and rsaxena showed him up...too funny

stuka:

i will try to say this without being dramatic. my father, an indian citizen for nearly thirty years, was denied a visa by indian govt when he wanted to visit my grandfather who he had not seen in 15 years and who was about to die from cancer. therefore, i dont buy the argument that we are the bad guys in this conflict. i also dont hold any grudges against anyone and i only have contempt for people who want to play the victim game to make up for other inadequacies they have in their lives. sad things have happened to a lot of people in our part of the world and it just gets tedious to listen to these stories time and time again. at some point, you have to just start looking to the future.

tahmed sahib:

people who know me call names far worse than that. so you will have to do a lot better if you want me to get riled.

...yaaay, tahmed and t are giving out cowk awards to strangers on the internet...woohooo... a cookie and a slap for them...

temporal #264 Your response to Stuka was much better than my earlier response. Agreed 100 percent. Stuka (and Dost Mittar) is definitely in a different league than these three little Thakerays running around on chowk.

re: tahmed

{I did indeed mention Jay competing with his wife for stale food.}

...so now you admit to insulting some woman you know nothing about...caught with your chaddis off eh tahemd?

00.01 AM 14th August 1947 Happy Birthday Pakistan.

May you live up to the true promise of your creation. May none of your children be exploited. May you be free of religious intolerance and bigotry. May you be the Pakistan that makes our posterity proud.

I love you.

-Manto

stuka

Secondly. Your criticism of TAhmed would hold water if you had done the same to RSaxena, Arjun or for that matter even me when we are taking our neighbors down a peg or two.

some flaws:

--jay thackeray cannot read…witness his posts on totally unrelated boards...he can only write about one subject…and over the years we know what that is…and he is devoid of any sense of humour...

--you delude yourself if you think you are in the same league as the other two thackerays…if anything i would place you in dost-mittar’s league…

--saxena thackeray is a born whiner with serious personal issues…a whiner who wants to hog spotlight…no substance there;)

...t

Joint Celebrations of India and Pakistan`s 57th Independence Day

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Midnight Emancipation
A Midnight Candlelight Vigil
Celebrating 56 years of South Asian independence

Lytton Plaza (Downtown Palo Alto)
220 University Ave., Palo Alto CA. 94301

11:30 pm, August 14 to 00:30 am, August 15

A midnight candelight vigil, the attendees will consist of South Asians and others who cherish freedom and want to live in peace. The vigil will feature poetry readings, songs, music and fun under the twilight. So bring along your favorite poetry or musical instrument, and join us in this celebration!

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Human Rights, Political Will
and the
Nuclear Shadow
Sunday, August 17th, 5.30pm
Assembly Room, Bechtel International Center,
Stanford University
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featuring

a screening of the documentary film
Pakistan and India: Under the Nuclear Shadow

and talks by


Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy
Professor of Physics
Quaid-i-Azam University
Islamabad, Pakistan Dr. Angana Chatterji
Professor, Cultural and Social Anthropology Program
California Institute of Integral Studies
San Francisco, California.

A retrospective on the 56 years of South Asian independence, a look at the deteriorating human rights situation, the fallouts of nuclear armament in the region, and the rise of fundamentalist forces, and political will (or lack thereof) for conflict resolution. Also, a look at causes for hope - the growth of grassroots level movements, the increasing demands for peace and resolution from people on both sides of the border. Featuring Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy, a leading proponent of nuclear disarmament and an activist writer/speaker on education issues in Pakistan, and Dr. Angana Chatterji, who has been working with post-colonial social movements in India and internationally, towards enabling participatory democracy, and social and ecological justice.

The event is free and open to all. Seating is limited, please arrive early to ensure good seats. Refreshments will be served.


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rsaxena #245 I did indeed mention Jay competing with his wife for stale food. Thank you for reminding me. Nice thing about having jerks like you and Jay on chowk is that one can have some fun with you without feeling the least bit guilty.