Just Another BLOW-UP?
Farzana Versey August 25, 2003
#24 Posted by dost_mittar on August 26, 2003 4:52:57 am
Dear Farzana:
You took the right approach at unplugged. And then you ignored your own advice and did what Advani did, i.e., indulging in provocative speculation. The correct approach is the one taken by temporal, namely, to condemn the act, pray for the dead, offer sympathies to the bereaved and wait for the investigative work to be completed. Of course, one expects a lot more from the Deputy Prime Minister of the country than from a write-up on chowk, but still you could have followed your own sage advice.
I think the write up is reflective of the confused emotions following the terrible blasts. You point fingers, among others, at the ASI report and the preparations for the next elections. The first is unlikely because it takes time to plan such an act and the report is not even fully released yet by the court nor the court`s reaction known. As far as preparing for the elections, I have so far not read about any case where Indian politicians have resorted to such a despicable act in the last 55 years (inciting communal riots is the limit to which they would go for this purpose); moreover, can you imagine the blowback of such an act on their election prospects when the facts become known, as they almost always do?
I was strongly critical of the high court ordering an ASI digging of the Babri site. I said then that they are opening a can of worms, not only in Ayodhya, but elsewhere too, even if such diggings can provide credible evidence. And the worms have now started to creep and crawl out of the can. The truth is that neither side wants to know the facts if they go against its case. A few days ago, Muslim partisans were celebrating initial reports of `no sign of a temple` and issuing statements that they will forego their claim if the digging proved that a temple existed there. This was an immature reaction. The pro-temple people were then openly saying that they will not abide by the ASI report. Now that the shoe seems to be on the other foot, both parties are changing their tunes.
As far as I am concerned, the sole reason for supporting the Muslim case in Ayodhya is that historical wrongs cannot be corrected. If, on the other hand, a stand is taken that no wrongs were committed, we are on a very slipperty ground. From what I have seen, there may be stronger evidence of a temple at the Mathura and Kashi sites than at Ayodhya.
I have not followed the jail `adoption` case but, from your description, I agree with you. The conversion is a political hot potato issue, especially when it involves Hindus and Muslims, and should be avoided.
And finally a positive note. You mentioned about how you decided not to cancel the scheduled event at your house. On the CBC radio yesterday, they were interviewing one Sharad Gupta, the CEO of a software firm in Mumbai. He said he left work as usual at 7PM last night and was planning to be back at his desk at 9 o` clock this morning and will send his children to school as usual. This refusal to cower down is a fitting answer to the terrorists by Mumbaikars. Bravo!
You took the right approach at unplugged. And then you ignored your own advice and did what Advani did, i.e., indulging in provocative speculation. The correct approach is the one taken by temporal, namely, to condemn the act, pray for the dead, offer sympathies to the bereaved and wait for the investigative work to be completed. Of course, one expects a lot more from the Deputy Prime Minister of the country than from a write-up on chowk, but still you could have followed your own sage advice.
I think the write up is reflective of the confused emotions following the terrible blasts. You point fingers, among others, at the ASI report and the preparations for the next elections. The first is unlikely because it takes time to plan such an act and the report is not even fully released yet by the court nor the court`s reaction known. As far as preparing for the elections, I have so far not read about any case where Indian politicians have resorted to such a despicable act in the last 55 years (inciting communal riots is the limit to which they would go for this purpose); moreover, can you imagine the blowback of such an act on their election prospects when the facts become known, as they almost always do?
I was strongly critical of the high court ordering an ASI digging of the Babri site. I said then that they are opening a can of worms, not only in Ayodhya, but elsewhere too, even if such diggings can provide credible evidence. And the worms have now started to creep and crawl out of the can. The truth is that neither side wants to know the facts if they go against its case. A few days ago, Muslim partisans were celebrating initial reports of `no sign of a temple` and issuing statements that they will forego their claim if the digging proved that a temple existed there. This was an immature reaction. The pro-temple people were then openly saying that they will not abide by the ASI report. Now that the shoe seems to be on the other foot, both parties are changing their tunes.
As far as I am concerned, the sole reason for supporting the Muslim case in Ayodhya is that historical wrongs cannot be corrected. If, on the other hand, a stand is taken that no wrongs were committed, we are on a very slipperty ground. From what I have seen, there may be stronger evidence of a temple at the Mathura and Kashi sites than at Ayodhya.
I have not followed the jail `adoption` case but, from your description, I agree with you. The conversion is a political hot potato issue, especially when it involves Hindus and Muslims, and should be avoided.
And finally a positive note. You mentioned about how you decided not to cancel the scheduled event at your house. On the CBC radio yesterday, they were interviewing one Sharad Gupta, the CEO of a software firm in Mumbai. He said he left work as usual at 7PM last night and was planning to be back at his desk at 9 o` clock this morning and will send his children to school as usual. This refusal to cower down is a fitting answer to the terrorists by Mumbaikars. Bravo!
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#23 Posted by dost_mittar on August 26, 2003 4:52:45 am
Dear Farzana:
You took the right approach at unplugged. And then you ignored your own advice and did what Advani did, i.e., indulging in provocative speculation. The correct approach is the one taken by temporal, namely, to condemn the act, pray for the dead, offer sympathies to the bereaved and wait for the investigative work to be completed. Of course, one expects a lot more from the Deputy Prime Minister of the country than from a write-up on chowk, but still you could have followed your own sage advice.
I think the write up is reflective of the confused emotions following the terrible blasts. You point fingers, among others, at the ASI report and the preparations for the next elections. The first is unlikely because it takes time to plan such an act and the report is not even fully released yet by the court nor the court`s reaction known. As far as preparing for the elections, I have so far not read about any case where Indian politicians have resorted to such a despicable act in the last 55 years (inciting communal riots is the limit to which they would go for this purpose); moreover, can you imagine the blowback of such an act on their election prospects when the facts become known, as they almost always do?
I was strongly critical of the high court ordering an ASI digging of the Babri site. I said then that they are opening a can of worms, not only in Ayodhya, but elsewhere too, even if such diggings can provide credible evidence. And the worms have now started to creep and crawl out of the can. The truth is that neither side wants to know the facts if they go against its case. A few days ago, Muslim partisans were celebrating initial reports of `no sign of a temple` and issuing statements that they will forego their claim if the digging proved that a temple existed there. This was an immature reaction. The pro-temple people were then openly saying that they will not abide by the ASI report. Now that the shoe seems to be on the other foot, both parties are changing their tunes.
As far as I am concerned, the sole reason for supporting the Muslim case in Ayodhya is that historical wrongs cannot be corrected. If, on the other hand, a stand is taken that no wrongs were committed, we are on a very slipperty ground. From what I have seen, there may be stronger evidence of a temple at the Mathura and Kashi sites than at Ayodhya.
I have not followed the jail `adoption` case but, from your description, I agree with you. The conversion is a political hot potato issue, especially when it involves Hindus and Muslims, and should be avoided.
And finally a positive note. You mentioned about how you decided not to cancel the scheduled event at your house. On the CBC radio yesterday, they were interviewing one Sharad Gupta, the CEO of a software firm in Mumbai. He said he left work as usual at 7PM last night and was planning to be back at his desk at 9 o` clock this morning and will send his children to school as usual. This refusal to cower down is a fitting answer to the terrorists by Mumbaikars. Bravo!
You took the right approach at unplugged. And then you ignored your own advice and did what Advani did, i.e., indulging in provocative speculation. The correct approach is the one taken by temporal, namely, to condemn the act, pray for the dead, offer sympathies to the bereaved and wait for the investigative work to be completed. Of course, one expects a lot more from the Deputy Prime Minister of the country than from a write-up on chowk, but still you could have followed your own sage advice.
I think the write up is reflective of the confused emotions following the terrible blasts. You point fingers, among others, at the ASI report and the preparations for the next elections. The first is unlikely because it takes time to plan such an act and the report is not even fully released yet by the court nor the court`s reaction known. As far as preparing for the elections, I have so far not read about any case where Indian politicians have resorted to such a despicable act in the last 55 years (inciting communal riots is the limit to which they would go for this purpose); moreover, can you imagine the blowback of such an act on their election prospects when the facts become known, as they almost always do?
I was strongly critical of the high court ordering an ASI digging of the Babri site. I said then that they are opening a can of worms, not only in Ayodhya, but elsewhere too, even if such diggings can provide credible evidence. And the worms have now started to creep and crawl out of the can. The truth is that neither side wants to know the facts if they go against its case. A few days ago, Muslim partisans were celebrating initial reports of `no sign of a temple` and issuing statements that they will forego their claim if the digging proved that a temple existed there. This was an immature reaction. The pro-temple people were then openly saying that they will not abide by the ASI report. Now that the shoe seems to be on the other foot, both parties are changing their tunes.
As far as I am concerned, the sole reason for supporting the Muslim case in Ayodhya is that historical wrongs cannot be corrected. If, on the other hand, a stand is taken that no wrongs were committed, we are on a very slipperty ground. From what I have seen, there may be stronger evidence of a temple at the Mathura and Kashi sites than at Ayodhya.
I have not followed the jail `adoption` case but, from your description, I agree with you. The conversion is a political hot potato issue, especially when it involves Hindus and Muslims, and should be avoided.
And finally a positive note. You mentioned about how you decided not to cancel the scheduled event at your house. On the CBC radio yesterday, they were interviewing one Sharad Gupta, the CEO of a software firm in Mumbai. He said he left work as usual at 7PM last night and was planning to be back at his desk at 9 o` clock this morning and will send his children to school as usual. This refusal to cower down is a fitting answer to the terrorists by Mumbaikars. Bravo!
#22 Posted by FarzanaVersey on August 26, 2003 2:27:35 am
Just for the record, I did not plant that bomb. Chowk published this article because it is topical; there is another piece where the writer states, “Whenever any disturbances involving Muslims take place anywhere, the Hindu community is automatically blamed - though sometimes justifiably.” People may have argued with him, but no one has questioned his right to be published.
What did I do as soon as I heard the news about the blasts? I posted the following on Unplugged and one of the boards: http://www.chowk.com/show_forum_topic_post_list.cgi?tid=00002896
“STOP PRESS: Bomb blasts in Mumbai
by FarzanaVersey on August 25, 2003 1:23am PT
Just got the news that there have been four bomb blasts in important parts of Mumbai...not sure, but somewhere in marine Lines, Mumbadevi, Gateway...The cellphones are already on the blink at 2.10 pm here in most areas. Can`t get through to cousins who are out there.
All those in mumbai, please try and help by disallowing rumours to spread till we know the truth.
Take care and be safe, and pray for those that aren`t.”
(And as soon as I got further news, I immediately posted the correction that there were two blasts.)
Most of the responses are far more frivolous than the insensitivity I am accused of. This is a postmortem opinion piece, so by just telling you that I called up several people asking them to donate blood (I can’t due to a recent illness) as hospitals were running short, would I have become more believable? The political parties, with their clout and administrative machinery, are doing much more harm by reaching conclusions. They are dividing society, not I. Yes, I have asked questions. Questions that you too ought to be asking. If not the ones I have, at least your own, instead of swallowing establishment rubbish.
[``is it ‘preparing for elections’ time? Is this an answer to the no-confidence motion passed in Parliament? Is it some silly peeve against the proposed visit of The Israeli prime minister?`` ]
I see these as relevant queries. But nowhere in them is there any indication that I “came out suspecting everything ``hindu``…”
[Definition of a fair report is one that declares that there was no temple. Am I right? Believe me, many hindus would have preferred to get that in the report. Atleast it would have closed the chapter. Now we are back to square one. It will be treated as ``not a fair report``.]
Wrong. When that box was being carried to the courts, the TV news already mentioned that BOTH sides had got their legal cells ready to counter the ASI report. As for ‘many’ Hindus preferring that there would be no temple there, that is a hoot, and you know that. So stop playing games.
[Can I ask you a reverse question? Why do you have this bombast over sadhus sitting in political discussions when bearded Maulanas have been holding sway over Muslim mind for a long period?]
Because bearded maulanas do not hold sway over the Indian Muslim mind. I have said this repeatedly. Imam Bukhari’s son cannot win an election, and even the non-bearded Syed Shahabuddin lost his deposit.
[If some one offers to adopt a child, your first suspicion is that she/he is trying to convert the child. Finding & convicting rapist Jail staff is certainly a good deed. But would you really want that child to remain orphan till that happens?]
The man who offered to adopt the child is a convict on death row; the child will be orphaned again. The child’s mother has not shown any enthusiasm to give away the child. Isn’t it strange that no comment has been made regarding the sexist nature of the report, or that the media is disregarding the DM’s report? Sure, I did bring in the conversion aspect, because these stories are there merely as sops.
[Wow. So, Farzana Bibi knew this would happen. Why did she not tell us?]
Because like any two-year-old I have intuition coupled with common sense. Also, as I posted on unplugged, I did not want to get into rumour-mongering and would much rather wait for a post-mortem. Besides, have said something would happen, it was a gut feeling. I did not know WHAT would happen.
The ASI’s findings have already been disclosed to the courts, which is how we know that they dug deeper. This is being contested by the Muslim Personal Law Board because there were legal provisions as to the dimensions. Please check out the old reports where the ASI had clearly stated that there seemed to be no sign of a temple. Why did it change its version? Why were Muslim organisations represented only when they insisted?
[Are the muslims in India (at least the leadership), who said they would abide by court`s decision, ready for this report? I think not. They do not want to know the truth.]
It was the Kanchi Shankaracharya who changed his tune after so much publicity about his mediation. Therefore, the Hindus (at least their leadership) are not ready for the verdict either.
[why does Farzana Bibi think that this riot had anything to do with those documents?]
1.It is election time, and everything is fair game.
2.Politics is the mother of all invention.
3.There are goons out there who want to legitimise themselves and come across as saviours of a community.
Please keep your ear to the ground. If boring articles get you so agitated, I don’t even want to imagine what might happen were I to get somewhat interesting.
[I would hope the muslims condemn this act of violence in no uncertain terms and help in efforts at reconciliation.]
Why only the Muslims? Have I not been told elsewhere that 30 % of those dead are Muslims? So, who is making it into a Hindu-Muslim issue? And if it is Muslims behind this act (something I do not rule out), then why would they do that? On that particular day? These sort of expressions confirm what I stated: That Muslims have to bear the onus whether they are killed or Hindus are killed.
[What about SIMI or some terrorist organisations? Does she condemn them?]
“What caused the blasts of August 25, 2003? The Home Minister has said it could be the Lashkar-e-Taiba together with SIMI. The same modus operandi was used as in 1993. Busy public areas. Afternoon. Parked vehicles carrying the explosives.”
[I can also speculate that perhaps it is a well planned operation. I have suspicion People who planned it also had some failed journalists on their payrolls to write articles immediately after blast to flame passions and incite further violence.]
If the reference is to me (unlikely, as no one thinks I am a journalist), then as this article has been published only at Chowk, will someone supply me with information about the passions inflamed in them and the violence they have resorted to upon reading this? Btw, this accusation is valid if it is put to the media lords who are on the payroll of underworld dons, political parties and business houses.
You would not get your newspaper without these helpful contributions.
I would like to add here that my “elitist” references could have been left out, but I did that precisely to drive home a point. I have put myself on the mat. For, none of us can be in the shoes of the victims. For the one who says, “FV...the sea lounge is closed for renovation.....poor you: now you`ll just have to rough it out in the Oberios or something...i feel your pain..”, I can only say that it is ironical. You know more about what is happening there than I do. Besides, only you could come up with this gem: “The evening of the bombing was a great time to be dining out...most good restaurants were only half full..normally you would have to wait an hour to get in...and traffic was better too…”
I am glad you made the most of it. Ten years ago too the streets were fairly empty and my friend’s car was stopped, her driver was asked his name and made to drop his pants on the road. My friend, an angry Hindu, watched helplessly. We are helpless, and we express it in different ways. I do not think many Muslims had a great night out on Monday.
Veeresh:
I have had my say again, about Hindu/Muslim, dead/undead etc…thought you would be less flippant. But if you are really interested in information about the attendance at the Taj Bar and restaurants (btw, I am not a disc person, so cannot enlighten you on that score), then you could call up (022)22023366. Hope this helps.
temp, ana, nazarhayatkhan, Zahra, Bina, tahmed, ally, hamidm and for all those who have expressed their feelings…we know that bombs are not the solution. I understand that an analysis may sometimes get uncomfortable. For some of us this is the only way to express concern. I am willing to accept civilised dispute. For the rest, I hope they can save their souls instead of worrying about mine. Life does go on, but we do not live the same way.
What did I do as soon as I heard the news about the blasts? I posted the following on Unplugged and one of the boards: http://www.chowk.com/show_forum_topic_post_list.cgi?tid=00002896
“STOP PRESS: Bomb blasts in Mumbai
by FarzanaVersey on August 25, 2003 1:23am PT
Just got the news that there have been four bomb blasts in important parts of Mumbai...not sure, but somewhere in marine Lines, Mumbadevi, Gateway...The cellphones are already on the blink at 2.10 pm here in most areas. Can`t get through to cousins who are out there.
All those in mumbai, please try and help by disallowing rumours to spread till we know the truth.
Take care and be safe, and pray for those that aren`t.”
(And as soon as I got further news, I immediately posted the correction that there were two blasts.)
Most of the responses are far more frivolous than the insensitivity I am accused of. This is a postmortem opinion piece, so by just telling you that I called up several people asking them to donate blood (I can’t due to a recent illness) as hospitals were running short, would I have become more believable? The political parties, with their clout and administrative machinery, are doing much more harm by reaching conclusions. They are dividing society, not I. Yes, I have asked questions. Questions that you too ought to be asking. If not the ones I have, at least your own, instead of swallowing establishment rubbish.
[``is it ‘preparing for elections’ time? Is this an answer to the no-confidence motion passed in Parliament? Is it some silly peeve against the proposed visit of The Israeli prime minister?`` ]
I see these as relevant queries. But nowhere in them is there any indication that I “came out suspecting everything ``hindu``…”
[Definition of a fair report is one that declares that there was no temple. Am I right? Believe me, many hindus would have preferred to get that in the report. Atleast it would have closed the chapter. Now we are back to square one. It will be treated as ``not a fair report``.]
Wrong. When that box was being carried to the courts, the TV news already mentioned that BOTH sides had got their legal cells ready to counter the ASI report. As for ‘many’ Hindus preferring that there would be no temple there, that is a hoot, and you know that. So stop playing games.
[Can I ask you a reverse question? Why do you have this bombast over sadhus sitting in political discussions when bearded Maulanas have been holding sway over Muslim mind for a long period?]
Because bearded maulanas do not hold sway over the Indian Muslim mind. I have said this repeatedly. Imam Bukhari’s son cannot win an election, and even the non-bearded Syed Shahabuddin lost his deposit.
[If some one offers to adopt a child, your first suspicion is that she/he is trying to convert the child. Finding & convicting rapist Jail staff is certainly a good deed. But would you really want that child to remain orphan till that happens?]
The man who offered to adopt the child is a convict on death row; the child will be orphaned again. The child’s mother has not shown any enthusiasm to give away the child. Isn’t it strange that no comment has been made regarding the sexist nature of the report, or that the media is disregarding the DM’s report? Sure, I did bring in the conversion aspect, because these stories are there merely as sops.
[Wow. So, Farzana Bibi knew this would happen. Why did she not tell us?]
Because like any two-year-old I have intuition coupled with common sense. Also, as I posted on unplugged, I did not want to get into rumour-mongering and would much rather wait for a post-mortem. Besides, have said something would happen, it was a gut feeling. I did not know WHAT would happen.
The ASI’s findings have already been disclosed to the courts, which is how we know that they dug deeper. This is being contested by the Muslim Personal Law Board because there were legal provisions as to the dimensions. Please check out the old reports where the ASI had clearly stated that there seemed to be no sign of a temple. Why did it change its version? Why were Muslim organisations represented only when they insisted?
[Are the muslims in India (at least the leadership), who said they would abide by court`s decision, ready for this report? I think not. They do not want to know the truth.]
It was the Kanchi Shankaracharya who changed his tune after so much publicity about his mediation. Therefore, the Hindus (at least their leadership) are not ready for the verdict either.
[why does Farzana Bibi think that this riot had anything to do with those documents?]
1.It is election time, and everything is fair game.
2.Politics is the mother of all invention.
3.There are goons out there who want to legitimise themselves and come across as saviours of a community.
Please keep your ear to the ground. If boring articles get you so agitated, I don’t even want to imagine what might happen were I to get somewhat interesting.
[I would hope the muslims condemn this act of violence in no uncertain terms and help in efforts at reconciliation.]
Why only the Muslims? Have I not been told elsewhere that 30 % of those dead are Muslims? So, who is making it into a Hindu-Muslim issue? And if it is Muslims behind this act (something I do not rule out), then why would they do that? On that particular day? These sort of expressions confirm what I stated: That Muslims have to bear the onus whether they are killed or Hindus are killed.
[What about SIMI or some terrorist organisations? Does she condemn them?]
“What caused the blasts of August 25, 2003? The Home Minister has said it could be the Lashkar-e-Taiba together with SIMI. The same modus operandi was used as in 1993. Busy public areas. Afternoon. Parked vehicles carrying the explosives.”
[I can also speculate that perhaps it is a well planned operation. I have suspicion People who planned it also had some failed journalists on their payrolls to write articles immediately after blast to flame passions and incite further violence.]
If the reference is to me (unlikely, as no one thinks I am a journalist), then as this article has been published only at Chowk, will someone supply me with information about the passions inflamed in them and the violence they have resorted to upon reading this? Btw, this accusation is valid if it is put to the media lords who are on the payroll of underworld dons, political parties and business houses.
You would not get your newspaper without these helpful contributions.
I would like to add here that my “elitist” references could have been left out, but I did that precisely to drive home a point. I have put myself on the mat. For, none of us can be in the shoes of the victims. For the one who says, “FV...the sea lounge is closed for renovation.....poor you: now you`ll just have to rough it out in the Oberios or something...i feel your pain..”, I can only say that it is ironical. You know more about what is happening there than I do. Besides, only you could come up with this gem: “The evening of the bombing was a great time to be dining out...most good restaurants were only half full..normally you would have to wait an hour to get in...and traffic was better too…”
I am glad you made the most of it. Ten years ago too the streets were fairly empty and my friend’s car was stopped, her driver was asked his name and made to drop his pants on the road. My friend, an angry Hindu, watched helplessly. We are helpless, and we express it in different ways. I do not think many Muslims had a great night out on Monday.
Veeresh:
I have had my say again, about Hindu/Muslim, dead/undead etc…thought you would be less flippant. But if you are really interested in information about the attendance at the Taj Bar and restaurants (btw, I am not a disc person, so cannot enlighten you on that score), then you could call up (022)22023366. Hope this helps.
temp, ana, nazarhayatkhan, Zahra, Bina, tahmed, ally, hamidm and for all those who have expressed their feelings…we know that bombs are not the solution. I understand that an analysis may sometimes get uncomfortable. For some of us this is the only way to express concern. I am willing to accept civilised dispute. For the rest, I hope they can save their souls instead of worrying about mine. Life does go on, but we do not live the same way.
#21 Posted by bz on August 26, 2003 12:08:30 am
call me ignorant... but i dont know about this bomb blast, except for the fact that my dad was talking to my mom about it.
but, i like the way you write...!
but, i like the way you write...!
#20 Posted by aaisha on August 25, 2003 11:47:26 pm
Who knows what goes on in the dark alleys of Powerdom, in India, Pakistan, or any country of the world for that matter. It is all a big, spineless power game. Let the comman man suffer, as long as it perpetuates status quo, even if it is strife ridden.
I heard this news on Radio while going home towards Sharjah and one of my friends ( a lahori shiite) in the car pool said it was due to Ariel Sharon`s impending visit to India, another one (a Gujrati Hindu) said it was a reaction of the recent discovery of `evidence` that there was indeed a temple beneath Babri Masjid. Both the back seaters, myself ( Sunni Karachiite) and a Christian Goan/Mumbaiite lady kept quiet, listening to the two men ramble on about the reason for it. Both of us were worried about our relatives ( My Father`s sister, my phuppo lives in Mumbai) and for us that was all that mattered. The Human loss factor. Does it come down to this then, that the women are more concerned about humanity and men just go on with their ruthless chase of power?
I heard this news on Radio while going home towards Sharjah and one of my friends ( a lahori shiite) in the car pool said it was due to Ariel Sharon`s impending visit to India, another one (a Gujrati Hindu) said it was a reaction of the recent discovery of `evidence` that there was indeed a temple beneath Babri Masjid. Both the back seaters, myself ( Sunni Karachiite) and a Christian Goan/Mumbaiite lady kept quiet, listening to the two men ramble on about the reason for it. Both of us were worried about our relatives ( My Father`s sister, my phuppo lives in Mumbai) and for us that was all that mattered. The Human loss factor. Does it come down to this then, that the women are more concerned about humanity and men just go on with their ruthless chase of power?
#19 Posted by Bina_Shah on August 25, 2003 9:51:16 pm
I see things like this happening in both India and Pakistan and I think, ``They are right... we truly are one...``
Bombs no know religion, though, Farzana. I think the people who set these off know that full well.
Bombs no know religion, though, Farzana. I think the people who set these off know that full well.
#18 Posted by veeresh on August 25, 2003 9:34:37 pm
Whoa Farzana . . . on another note altogether, something like a Nandu Bhende one actually, I have to admit, I salute thee on the title of this article.
1900 or otherwise, I was in a bit of a Velvette Fog. Were you, then, hanging around there, too?
What a blast those years were.
1900 or otherwise, I was in a bit of a Velvette Fog. Were you, then, hanging around there, too?
What a blast those years were.
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#15 Posted by veeresh on August 25, 2003 8:52:11 pm
OK, here are some more confirmed numbers, simply because I still cannot understand Farzana`s references to Muslims wrt the Bombay blasts yesterday.
a) 30% of the injured people are Muslims.
b) Of the dead, they are unable to identify large numbers, and are currently trying to match body parts. Presumably the percentage will be the same.
What for/against Muslims are you talking about, Farzana?
As the man television was interviewing said, ``there are 4 of my family members who were in the shop. Two are in hospital and serious, and two off ho gaye.`` As he then proceeded with their funeral.
a) 30% of the injured people are Muslims.
b) Of the dead, they are unable to identify large numbers, and are currently trying to match body parts. Presumably the percentage will be the same.
What for/against Muslims are you talking about, Farzana?
As the man television was interviewing said, ``there are 4 of my family members who were in the shop. Two are in hospital and serious, and two off ho gaye.`` As he then proceeded with their funeral.
#14 Posted by ZahraJ on August 25, 2003 8:13:51 pm
Sadly, anarchy prevails in this messed up world! I do not know if it`s the influence of Mars on Earth or vice versa. Whatever! I think Apes and Dinos should come back and take over this planet. Humans do not deserve Earth!
#13 Posted by hamidm2 on August 25, 2003 8:13:51 pm
.... well, as general westmoreland would say, ``life is cheap in asia``..............when fifty shias were killed in quetta by homicidal sunnis, no one missed breakfast .......... as crude as it might sound, i am sure the indians will get over this by supper time .......... too bad for those who died and those left behind .............
#12 Posted by friend on August 25, 2003 8:13:51 pm
Ana#7
``if all that is going to take place here is `the farzana bashing and insulting show` then count me out, please.``
Ana bi, no one is counting you in. You are welcome to opt out. Ferzy bibi is inviting all the ridicule to herself by her paranoia. She doesn`t believe ASI report. That is fine. But would she kindly allow supreme court to declare its judgement on its vailidity.
I can also speculate that perhaps it is a well planned operation. I have suspicion People who planned it also had some failed journalists on their payrolls to write articles immediately after blast to flame passions and incite further violence.
Can you write any argument why suspicion is not valid?
``if all that is going to take place here is `the farzana bashing and insulting show` then count me out, please.``
Ana bi, no one is counting you in. You are welcome to opt out. Ferzy bibi is inviting all the ridicule to herself by her paranoia. She doesn`t believe ASI report. That is fine. But would she kindly allow supreme court to declare its judgement on its vailidity.
I can also speculate that perhaps it is a well planned operation. I have suspicion People who planned it also had some failed journalists on their payrolls to write articles immediately after blast to flame passions and incite further violence.
Can you write any argument why suspicion is not valid?
#11 Posted by Ally on August 25, 2003 8:13:51 pm
Farzana love,
looks like you got bit of a nasty following... maybe thats because you hit a raw nerve!!!... and as they say the truth hurts!!!
Anyways i like the article, i like the way you weave all the events together, the political and personal...
i could say a lot but then i`m not gonna get into a slinging match with ppl on this subject, and plus, you said it all anyways...
take care
looks like you got bit of a nasty following... maybe thats because you hit a raw nerve!!!... and as they say the truth hurts!!!
Anyways i like the article, i like the way you weave all the events together, the political and personal...
i could say a lot but then i`m not gonna get into a slinging match with ppl on this subject, and plus, you said it all anyways...
take care
#10 Posted by tahmed32 on August 25, 2003 8:13:51 pm
In the Washington Post someone wrote last Sunday that one bomb is an outrage; two is a campaign. He was talking about the bombing in Baghdad and in Jordan the week before. To this we may add that three bombs is war: The third bombing being the bomb blasts in Bombay today, since this bombing carries the same imprints as the previous bombs - a professional job designed to impact on policy. The impact being sought in this case is clearly the sabotage of peace efforts between India and Pakistan through the fanning of hatred towards Pakistan by morons in India. It does not seem to have worked though, since even Advani (who in the past seemed as mad as Jay) was restrained in his statements today. But let`s see how long this restraint lasts.
In the meantime, let us all pray in our different ways for those innocent people who were killed our wounded in this bomb attack in Bombay today.
In the meantime, let us all pray in our different ways for those innocent people who were killed our wounded in this bomb attack in Bombay today.
#9 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on August 25, 2003 8:13:51 pm
Ideas, thoughts - non-committal, disjointed, fuzzy - with an anger, frustration - being forced out of the system.
I like the honesty and the natural flow out ; and the non-preachy style.
But most easy readers may get distracted, fidgety, somewhat irritated at the text which requires concentration, periodically a pause and some times to go back and re-read.
Too much underlying themetic content for an easy reader.
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