Just Another BLOW-UP?

Re: Urstruly, 94

By missing post #77 you did not miss anything. It’s like saying, “oh, I missed someone take a dump in public.” And, no, stopping a person from that behavior in public is not playing a “morality cop.” All civil societies do that. How can you “regret” something you are not even aware of? And what does it say about you that you “regret” not seeing an obscene behavior before that behavior is stopped, and that you blame the “cop” for that? How can you pass a judgment on something you don’t even know what you are passing the judgment on?

Re Romair # 88 ``What is the word for, ``introspection`` in Hindi? Or is there such a word in Hindi, to begin with?``

Introspection : Antardrishti

not to be confused with Antaradrashti (Sight into Self)

Glad to be of assistance sirjee.

#88 by Romair on August 28, 2003 10:36am PT

Romair ji……..our lack of trust in pakis only goes on to show that we have been troubled by you guys (I mean, the terrorist types) for so long that we can’t believe you are not up to another mischief again. What with the partition and then waging wars against India, catching us unaware as in Kargil, stabbing behind the back, ignoring all peace initiatives by Vajpayee and India and the cross border terro…and lots more…
Otherwise, who doesn’t want peace? We do.
If there is a student in a class, let’s call him Mushy…he has a bad rep for mischiefs, one who conspires against other students…then even if someday another student does something wrong, the blame …the first reaction would be…ye to Mushy hi kar sakta hai…ye usi shaitan ka kaam hai
So, improve your shaitans to get others to trust you…

So when a Muslim apologist is cornered he/she wants us to shut up and stay away. Some chutzpah indeed. I don`t know if it is an indication of her cleverness or just plain dumbness. If it is the later, then let me explain to that dumb person that....... hey, we ( i.e., NRIs ) still got our parents, relatives and personal friends in India. In short, we NRIs have a very ``personal stake`` in whatever happens in India not to mention emotional attachment to the place of birth.
Besides, we NRIs contribute much much more to our motherland than any frikking terrorist sympathizing muslim apologist. I know I did..... to date, I have contributed couple of thousands of dollars to India`s foreign exchange reserves plus also to Gujarat earthquake relief fund.
So no frikking terrorist sympathizer can tell me or any other NRI to keep quiet as far as India is concerned. Infact, it is that terrorist sympathizer who should consider emigrating to pukistan.

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Godot # 95

Chowk Staff is setting a dangerous precedence and I am not comfortable with it. I think we should keep interactive part of chowk, at least, as informal as possible. Let the majority of people decide and point their fingers at the one who dumps here. Let the people reign sovereign here. I think the collective good of the people will keep the trash in check. This is the power of the people and unfortunately the chowk staff has an absolute authority to choke us all here. Just the mere thought of it flares up the old wounds; sometimes the ribcage just starts hurting as much as it hurt when I faced baton charges during zia era. I deride ministries of vice & virtue; it goes agaianst the very ideal of chowk dot com.

Urstruly#103:
Make sure you never live in an Islamic state!

Dost mitter

I regret your hateful comment. An Islamic state puts human beings before God. So do not judge us by the artificial constructs created by colonial powers being ruled by their puppet despots.

Urstruly:

``when I faced baton charges during zia era.``

Why? Were you a PPP member who found Islam? Zia was an Islamist so I see no reason for someone like you to face baton charges.

Stuka

I am not an Islamist and never was; I am a Muslim and always have been. There is a great difference.

I was never a PPP either nor a member of its student wing PSF. Though I was sympathetic to left in general and PSF in particular but when it came down to facing demonstrations by separatists and their klashnikovs against Paksitan & Quaid-e-Azam I found myself throwing stones along with Jamiat against them. Zia was a public enemy number one in my eyes so I supported anyone who was struggling against him. I beleive in rule of law and human dignity. Unfortunately this belief has always put me in opposition to establishment, no matter of what brand, and it always will. Though I am sympathetic to Muslims now, I think when they will come in power I will be sitting in opposition.

re: stuka

{Why? Were you a PPP member who found Islam? Zia was an Islamist so I see no reason for someone like you to face baton charges. }



...he is talking about a special kind of `baton` silly...

Re: Urstruly, 103

Your argument is based on the premise that the good will drive out the bad. Unfortunately, the history has shown exactly the opposite. If we assume your position, Chowk dot com will be a stinking place with hardly anyone with a shred of decency left on this site. Do you want that?

Further, I see that you have a difficulty making a distinction between what’s decent and what’s moral. While free speech does not make a distinction between “morality” and “immorality,” it certainly does make a distinction between what “indecent” versus what’s plain “decent.”

While free speech does allow to rip an individual apart for his/her stand on an issue and there’s nothing moral or immoral about that, it is the obscene personal attacks (akin to taking a dump in public) that stinks up the whole place which is being questioned here.

Chowk is a site where all issues and topics are debated freely without any taboos bar none. That’s what so courageous and gives this site its admirable uniqueness. The question is: Should “taboo” include obscene personal attacks and so be allowed on this site? If yes, then to be honest with you, Urstruly, I’d absolutely love that. I don’t know anyone who can get as nasty, mean, and obscene as me. I can make people’s skin crawl. And I’m betting that I’ll be the first one Chowk will stop before it stops anyone else. Would that be fair to me?

Hey people. No arguments please.
I suppose, Farzana being a Bombayite just spontaneously expressed what she felt at such a moment. Such allegations and counter allegations won`t resolve any problems. Shouldn’t we all rather try to support each other during such times and remained undaunted Indians?

Sri #100:
I agree NRIs have a right to care for their country and are in a position to make significant contributions. However, when you talk about `helping` the country - what or who are you talking about? It is the well-being of us, resident Indians isn`t it, and not the land by itself? Please consider that it is the RIs (resident Indians) who have to face these problems everyday, and we probably have a different perspective of things than you do. NRIs have the luxury of nurturing religious hatred, caste prejudice etc but it will not affect them in any way in the country they reside in. RIs, on the other hand, have to find a compromise and shed our hatred and prejudice if we are to live peacefully.

Godot

I beleive in inherent general goodness of the people. Even if there is one single person left in the whole wide world who keeps on raising his voice against indecency, the goodness will prevail. And if there comes a time when there wont be a single voice of dissent left then at that time there wont be a concept of good and bad left either; at that time we would not need to worry about anything - because everything is relavant.

However, given the nature of this website if someone tries to sabotage it and dumps here with malicious intent then I am pretty sure that a majority of people will realize his malicious intent and may act to muzzle him. But I am pretty sure that such an incidence will be a rare exception and not a norm.