LUMS -- Lahore University of mis-Management Sciences

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pakistan and management bat kuch jami nahi

Interesting article. My name`s Jude and I`m the features editor for TFT, if you are interested in writing for us send me an email to judeheaton@mail.com and we can take it from there.

my sympathies. this really sounds like one of the lower-rung indian univs/management schools where one wouldn`t pay anything like $11,000.

Bilal i agree with you completely. the supposedly `online` registration system in particular is nothing but a hassle and a disappointment. By the time one does find the server free to register, most courses are blocked and students are left with all the social science ones to fill up their credits.

As for the faculty `justifying` everything...heh! that is what they seem to be propagating to their students as well! a pity.

Lastly i was amazed at the way students have to misquote their `personal information` inorder to be eligble for a scholarship, which btw rarely considers students with a good GPA. All one has to do is reflect `poor income` to get on the scholarship list. So much for `pride of LUMS`!

LUMS is still a good university, esp. when compared to the rest of the hoodlums, BUT they NEED to maintain their reputation which might very soon go down under. All educational institutions face such probelems at one time or the other, however, LUMS managment should take practical measures to live up to their claims of being `the best in Pakistan`.

I have sent the post to two of my most `die hard` LUMS supporters...Let us see what they have to say about it...

The cost of MBA was no surpise...Pakistanis, especailly Punjabis, are known to put their money where their mouth is, and when it comes to `brand names` no one does it better than Pakistanis/Punjabis...

The Babar Ali empire is known for its monopolistic ventures...companies that fleece consumers/customers...why should LUMS be any different from Tri-Pack, Packages, or Nestle? There is hardly any competition in the local market as far as LUMS is concerned and like the oil companies they can charge whatever they feel like..who cares what other are charging!

Brave attempt young man! I hope it helps!

`` LUMS` MBA Program (rated at #23 in Asia – Asiaweek May 5, 2000) costs US $11,957, compared to National University of Singapore (which is rated at #2) and costs US $7,180 while Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad (which is rated at #1) costs US $1,967. Quality is the reason parents are willing to bear the relatively higher cost of education here. ``

Jeeezus!!! Why would you guys pay 12 grand a year to study in Pakistan? Maybe IIMs in India can charge $6000 per student for a quota of Pakistanis. Mmy brother is an IIM Calcutta grad and I thought his fees were very high. Apparently not.

jude

you write..... My name`s Jude and I`m the features editor for TFT, if you are interested in writing for us send me an email to judeheaton@mail.com and we can take it from there.

...and if you are interested in writing for chowk please send me an email (temporal@chowk.com) and we can take it from there.

rgds,

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bilal, the reason LUMS is going down is, as you pointed out, because of the large number of students that are admitted into the program...many of these students have below average SAT I and SAT II scores; where the merit used to be determined by an inhouse LUMS test and interview, it is now judged on the basis of SAT scores - and surprisingly, those with lower scores are admitted easily into the Bsc program. I know many people who graduated from LUMS a few years back and have excellent jobs and have also been admitted into foreign universities easily, but lately this has been changing...what I find really weird is the attitude of the faculty of LUMS. I have never seen a more pompous and arrogant group of people teaching anywhere in the world, let alone in Pakistan! They actually have the nerve to say that their degree is better than the degree of a good American university, which, after having studied in a good American university, I can safely say is pure crap. LUMS has its merits and it still produces good, skillful people but it really needs to get itself in shape before it can make any tall claims.

It seems to me that the LUMS is that one eyed man who is king in the land of blind; but he is king nonetheless.

Jude...

We met at the Mekaal Hassan Concert...

I am Mateen Kaul`s friend...

-YLH

12k per year is quite a fee. Where does the money go? And why do people keep paying it? This would indicate there is a market for another good private university in Lahore.

I suppose it all comes down to supply and demand.

LUMS transforms to SLUM

Why is it surprising at all? No institution thrives (or decays) in isolation. What you describe at LUMS is simply a reflection of what goes on in the society at large. What seems remarkable and worthy of credit is that it didn`t get much worse much earlier. On a relative scale, I`m sure SLUM still shines like a bright star. As Urstruly`s points out, in The Country of the Blind the one-eyed is still king.

One of the two biggest problems of Pakistan is over population (the other biggie is fresh water shortage). The growth rate is higher than all the other top population countries. China, India, Russia, US, Bangladesh and Indonesia may have a larger total polulation but the Paki growth rate is higher than all of them. Only countries like Afghanistan, Oman, Kenya and Saudi Arabia (all fairly small populations) have higher growth rates. During the 1980s when Zina-ul-Haq cut off family planning funding the growth rate shot up to 3.2 which was highest in the world at the time (along with Afghanistan).

If current trend holds, by 2030 Pakistan will have the world`s THIRD LARGEST population (only after India and China). You`ll probably have five kids to a room then so why complain about three per room today?

...SR

LUMS is hardly a slum ofcourse.... the campus looks like such a fun place to be with all the dating, hanging out, partying going on in and around LUMS...

However the author is spot on with the conclusions on academic standards...

38:temporal

That was good.

JudeEaton, the poacher, has not met some real Pakistanis. The rag tft is a reflection of the editor it picks.

But then in the boot-licking community of crowswans nothing is demeaning or dishonourable. Cocacolonised and Mcbuggered crowswans shamelessly wiggle,wobble & waddle their bums & bumpers.

$12K is the total fee for both years of MBA.

Still damn expensive. One reason- heck the only reason - I chose to not accept their offer of admission.

SR:

I need to steal some more books from you. How has Karachi Stock Exchange been treating you?