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#165 by rsridhar


``Don`t you guys get it? What you think just does not matter.``

Do they think?

Dost-Mittar

My apologies for the delay in responding to your post #78. Well, let me give you a counter example. We bought Russian arms and still do. We welcome Russian leaders with open arms. Russia was hated by a significant proportion of the world. Did that fact stop us from inviting or welcoming Russian leaders? No. So why would it matter if a whole host of Muslims hate Sharon when we are willing to purchase Israeli equipment? We managed to survive so many years after being blisteringly opposed to US and being friends with USSR/Russia, I am sure this will continue with Israel as well.

AlephNull

Thank you for the clarification in your post #83, I did not realise it was the same person. My apologies

I do not know why people make a big fuss of India-Israel`s relations. It serves plenty of purposes.

1. India gets sophisticated weapons like Phalcon, maybe Arrow etc. for its military. If Farzana knows another supplier please let me know.
2. India gets one more supplier to play against traditional suppliers like Russia and France.
Pakistanis cannot do this.
3. Israel gets a market for their weapons. I may add a country that hopefully does not resell their weapons to their foes unlike China.
4. It is a backdoor way for USA to transfer weapon technology to India.
5. It helps India`s IT sector get access to Israeli hardware technology.
6. It puts pressure on Pakistani liberals to decide if they want to recognize Israel. I can see why someone does not want to embrace Sharon. It is a fair question. But then where were those liberal Pakistanis when Rabin, Peres were in charge of Israeli policy.
7. Palestinians will get their state. Israelis are too decent a people to slaughter them. I am not sure what the whining is about. Didn`t a Pakistani brigade kill thousands of Palestinians in Jordan in 1970 ?

Bombing kills hospital ER chief, daughter

2003-09-10 -
Nadav Shragai, Haaretz Correspondent, and Haaretz Service

The team of the emergency room at Shaare Zedek Medical Center are already used to many terror attacks, but Tuesday night`s suicide bombing at Cafe Hillel on Emek Refaim Street brought a new, horrific experience.

As the hospital`s doctors and nurses waited to treat the wounded, they received word that the attack had killed the head of their emergency room, Dr. David Appelbaum.

Appelbaum, 50, had taken his daughter, Nava, 20, to the cafe on the eve of her wedding, which was to have taken place Wednesday night. Both were among the seven Israelis killed in the suicide bombing.

Colleagues said Applebaum had in the past often been among the first to reach and treat victims of terror attacks.

Applebaum, well-trained in treating bombing victims after years working as a hospital emergency room director, had just flown back to Israel after giving a talk at a New York University terrorism symposium marking the second anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.

Hours after landing in Israel, Applebaum, a father of six, met his 20-year-old daughter, Nava, to impart some last-minute advice before her wedding, which was to have taken place Wednesday evening.

As ambulances began delivering the wounded from the attack, the director of Jerusalem`s Shaarei Tzedek Hospital, Yonatan Halevy, was wary. Applebaum was usually the first to report to the hospital after a bombing. There was no sign of him.

``It was clear to me from very early on that David Applebaum - when he didn`t show up and I knew he was in Jerusalem and he hadn`t called - that a terrible tragedy had occurred,`` Halevy said. ``Confirmation of my suspicions came shortly.``

Word that he was one of the victims came from a rescue worker who recognized him at the scene. The hospital staff had to cope with their own grief as they treated the wounded.

To understand the grief and pain ``it was enough yesterday to look at the sorrowful faces of the emergency room workers while they were treating the wounded streaming into the hospital from the attack,`` Halevy said.

``It is a sign of Dr. David Applebaum`s absolute dedication that, when he did not arrive at the ER within minutes of the attack as per usual, the staff already feared the worst,`` said a co-worker. ``His contribution to emergency medicine in this country was huge, and we still expected great things from him. On the personal level, he was a tzadik. The loss to the Israeli medical community and to Israel as a whole is enormous.``

For his daughter`s wedding, Applebaum had prepared a book with sayings from family members and himself, biblical passages and marital advice.

Visiting the family before dawn Wednesday, Halevy leafed through the book Applebaum would never give his daughter.``The fact that a man flies, three days before his daughter`s wedding, to share this doctrine about preparing for a mass terror attack, which Jerusalem hospitals have unprecedented knowledge of, is an example of his combined outlook - complete dedication, to both work and the family,`` Halevy said.

Appelbaum was identified at the scene by one of his colleagues, Dr. Yitzhak Glick, from Efrat. Glick arrived at the site of the attack with his emergency team, in order to help with the evacuation of the wounded, and recognized Appelbaum almost at once.

A little before midnight the word began spreading through the corridors of Shaare Zedek. Doctors, nurses and staff members cried bitterly. Within minutes, Applebaum`s children began arriving at the hospital, and later joined by his wife.

Appelbaum worked at Shaare Zedek for many years, but left several years ago in order to set up a center for emergency medicine in Jerusalem. He returned to the hospital to run the emergency room.

David and Nava Applebaum were laid

RSrishar:

Why are you getting high blood pressure? Dionysus has the same genetic pool as 3 star Jarnails of the Pak Army. Just as the Pakistan Army had to create an enemy to mantain their rule over the temporal state, similarly they have to manufacture history to rule over minds.

#159 rsridhar

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Saudi Arabia, in a way, is harming India`s interests.
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Are you kidding? I would put Saudi Arabia right up there as one of the most evil countries in the world. It is a major enemy of free societies everywhere. Its impact on indian islam is horrendous; its funding for wahabism has helped destroy older and more tolerant forms of islam in SE asian countries including indonesia, malaysia and Bangladesh.

BTW, I wouldn`t waste much time of silly people like ``Dionysus`` (Doofyus?). All of the countries in West and South Asia were never ``nations`` in the modern sense of the word !!! Saudi Arabia, Israel, JOrdan, Lebanon, Kuwait, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh etc. are ``new`` countries. Islam, of course, does not recognize nationalism at all, it only recognizes itself (and a few dhimmis (:-)

As a hindu you are aware that there is no such concept as a hindu nation or even a buddhist nation. This is completely foreign to indic traditions. I guess the sikhs come closer to having a sense of ``sikh nation`` but they are careful not to stereotype the ``others``.

So the question to Mr.Doofyus is: should we dissolve all these countries because they never had ``modern`` concept of nation? Why don`t we start with Saudi Arabia??? We are waiting for your leadership in this regard. Why don;t you meet with Kofi annan soon?

#161 by rsridhar

`` Most muslims in India do not have a sense of nationhood and are caught in this dilemma: nation or Islam? ``

Well, the fact that the ``Islamic ummah`` is a bunch of hot air baloons should give a clue to the idiots. Many muslims quarrel among themselves just as violently. So why don`t they put this stupid ummah concept pipedream to rest and be a part of the jobs and economy.

Dan quayle once said
``What a waste it is to lose one`s mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is.``

re:#134 by dionysus

``A false and mendacious comparison. `India` was neither a nation nor a country. It was nothing more than an adminstrative unit in the World Empire of the British, and an accident of history. It`s absurd to talk about the `partition of India` - there was nothing there to `partition` in the first place.``
What are you on ? Some kind of dope? What you say or think or what your compatriots think or what is being taught in school in your benighted country (which, BTW, is neither a counrty nor a nation but a terrorist rat hole) matters. Don`t you guys get it? What you think just does not matter. It is what the world thinks.
India was not a nation ever! Some nerve you got.
Sridhar

#148 by dost-mittar

you`re wasting your time, dost-mittar jee... I don`t think he wants facts....

``#133 by FarzanaVersey on September 10, 2003 1:54am PT
This is strange. Despite my categorical assertion that I do not go along with the Muslim protest against Sharon’s visit, there are some who are hell-bent on trying to score brownie points by living in their precious little cocoons. Go ahead…add up your tally. ``


Farzana,

Brownie points? Joking or what. My precious little cocoons is called India. And yes I have every right to decide. Who I like and who I do not is my right too. I Do not whine. Because I dont like whinning.

Boy o boy. I would definitely agree you are muslim if I am a Horrible. If you are a woman and a muslim, do you have any rights?. God. For horrible`s sake be honest. But that is asking too much.

Ask Nashq. Your very very cosy dost. He will adore you as long as you are not Ahamadi or Shia. If you are, to him you are not a Muslim or even a human. But of cource that to will be besides points. You have a monopoly on morals dont you? Brownie point. Geese.

What you like or do not does not matter. This is my country too. And the people are my people. If I want to call Sharon, I will. You do not like it, protest with Nashq and Urstruely. Nobody stops you. If it works they are for you. If it does not they will say what.... I have a right to have right for three more. This is not a cheap shot. Both your admirers will run away. One with Canadian/USA citizenship, another with a British one. What will be left is you and me.....

.Brownie point. Geese.

Farzana.

We are in here together. We have to work it thru. With all the hatred in open, with all the ill feelings, in open. We have no choice. We have to make it. With love ok. With hate.. that also perfectly ok.

Yogiraj Patil

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Dost-Mittar: Razia Sultana is a member of Assembly from Malerkotla. She won the seat in an open and direct race and not a nominated one. What is interesting about East Punjab demography is that most of the Muslim migrant workers from UP/Bihar/MP are working and settling in rural Punjab while Hindu workers mostly in cities. A relative of mine who had big farm in Jalandhar dist and visiting us in US told me about this. I was totally surprised becasue due to out infinite ignorance and arrogance we usually see a Bhaiya as a Bhaiyahis religion does not matter. another thing my relative pointed out is that most of these Muslim and Hindu Bhaiyas don`t get along very well in Punjab.....meaning they are taking their enemity along with them where ever they go...just like we bring ours to Chowk.

re:#120 by Navida
All that is history. I mean the stuff you posted. India, under Nehru, was committed to Arab-African cause as India was part of that group which fought against colonists to gain independence and there was much sympathy for the Arab and Palestine cause during the Nehru era. This policy was formulated by Nehru himself and faithfully carried forward by his daughter and grandson. It has taken many decades to realise the futility of this policy.

Much water has flow down the ganges since then. Arabs have oil but little else. Saudi Arabia regularly exports its brand of extreme Wahabism and donates money towards madrassas in Pakistan, where jehadis are trained to fight in Kashmir, among other places. Saudi Arabia, in a way, is harming India`s interests. And when was the last time Indians heard of any Arab supporting India on Kashmir (the only Arab country to support India on this issue was Iraq). OIC regularly moves resolutions to condemn India on Kashmir.

Palestenian cause is a lost cause the moment Palestenians took to violence. There is little sympathy for that cause in India (except perhaps among the muslims). Palestenian youths strapping themselves with bombs and blowing away everyone around them do not inspire any sympathy or awe.
And, for India, being a friend of Israel is the best thing that could have happened. Here is a country which is militarily and economically strong and which has much to offer India. India would be stupid to tie its fate with the losers (the Arab-Palestine block) and not joing Israel to boost up its own security.
Sridhar