Shalom or Salaam

re:#252 by nasah
Purefool Badboy is a nut case. He is like the Don Quixote who thinks he is waging a war on a system and will succeed. He only sees what he sees fit. In the whole article he has not commented on suicide killers. Looks like we finally have an anti-semitic in India now.
Sridhar

Ref Faruk #227
[But India does innerve, we have throughout the nineties. Most of Bangladesh trade is with India and political pressure usually helps. When that does not work we open our dams and flood their land. This is well documented too.]

When India built the Farrakka Barrage, Bangladesh protested saying that India would stop the flow of water in the Ganges. If we actually open the floodgates (because the reservoir is overflowing during the monsoon), Bangladesh complains that we are flooding their country.

It is a question of dammed if you do and damned if you don`t!

PS. I just couldn`t resist the temptation ;-)

A Strong Case Against Sharon`s Visit to India

By Praful Bidwai

THE VAJPAYEE government has gratuitously pushed a grossly partisan, sectarian foreign policy agenda by inviting Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to visit India between September 9 and 11.

The significance of Mr Sharon`s presence in India on September 11 is obvious, indeed `in your face:` the present government, wedded to Hindutva, wants to underscore its solidarity with the Sharon regime in the common `fight against terrorism.`

Nothing could be more morally untenable and politically ill-conceived. As we see below, Mr Sharon is no consistent opponent of terrorism, but himself guilty of obnoxious forms of terrorism against the Palestinian people. All citizens and organizations committed to justice must demand that New Delhi withdraw the invitation to Mr Sharon.

To demand this is not to support extremist or anti-Semitic positions against Israel or to condone indiscriminate violence against its citizens through methods like Hamas-style suicide-bombings. Rather, it is to apply a consistent standard in dealing with the Palestine-Israel conflict -- one of the gravest crises of our time. Such a standard isn`t visible in the Vajpayee government`s remarkably awkward attempt to `balance` its tilt towards Israel by inviting Palestinian Foreign Minister Nabil Sha`ath to India. This looks like terribly clumsy afterthought.

One must appreciate the exceptional, abnormal nature of India`s invitation to Mr Sharon.

Today, when Israel is waging war on the occupied territories, most nations wouldn`t even think of dignifying Mr Sharon. He would certainly not be welcome in continental Europe. Even the US and the UK, which he recently visited, publicly rebuked him for some of his actions.

There are three reasons why Mr Sharon must be considered an undesirable guest. First, his right-wing Likud party has taken the most extreme stand against Palestinian nationhood.

Second, he deserves to be tried as a war criminal for the Sabra and Chatilla massacres of 1982.

And third, his government represents the biggest obstacle to peace in the Middle East and the greatest block even in the so-called Road Map sponsored by the US, European Union, Russia and the United Nations, but drawn up mainly by Washington......``

238
You didn`t answer the whole question. Do Kashmiri militants have the right to plant bombs in Indian cities in response to the Indian occupation of their country and brutalization of their people?

And what should do we do for the rape of our culture by muslims ??

Funny, how the perversion is perpetuated by the supposedly revealed verses

Farzana...

there you go again... trying to make me believe you prefer forced conversation with others rather than reply to me... some people have sooo little consideration for other people`s needs or feelings... sigh.

hope you didn`t go over my last post with a magnifying glass; but I kind of have my doubts... ;)

khair.... koi baat nahin... choti si yeh duniya hai... pehchaane raaste... kahin to miloge to poochenge haal

(dekho main bhi shairi kar sakti hoon :))

phir milenge!

Farzana:

Ooh yeah..the connect thingie, it is for us wandering souls. You lot get together at Kareem`s and have burra kabab, we also need to replicate it at Lahori Kabab House in DC. Next time we can meet at Badey Mian`s close to the Taj. Oh.. That shair you put, I thought it was a song from Junoon.

Oh accha, btw, I met this lady in Boston who knows you. How your name came up..umm..I guess you guys belong to a small sect of Muslims where everyone knows everyone else??? I forgot the name....but that lady has two daughters, one in the states and the other in Bombay...shit..I`ll ask my friend the name and get back to you.

stuka:
Laziness ke saath premature senility bhi??? Okkk...what about that connect thingie? With or without chutzpah...

---

Two wonderful lessons I learned, both through the `Antakshari` programme on TV ...

1. There is this incident where Lord Ram and Lakshman go looking for Guru Vashisht in the forest. They find his hut and knock on the door. The voice from inside asks, ``Who are you?``
Lord Ram replies, ``That is the reason we have come here, to discover who we are.``

2. I have believed that the Urdu shair by Allama Iqbal is my motto in life:
``Khudee ko kar bulund itna
ke har taqdeer se pehle
khudaa bandey se khud poochhey
bataa teri razaa kya hai``.

Now I was listening to this bhajan and the similarity of thought floored me...
``Hum ko mann ki shakti dena
man vijay karein
doosron ki jai se pehle
khud ko jai karein.``

Farzana:

``by the way, the offer elsewhere...is it only for `wandering chowkies` or also for those who know exactly where they are headed??? ``

Hain? what offer? Remind me...

Doofus:

``It`s late here and I will see you tommorrow. ``

Aren`t you in the states?

stuka:
Get rid of the laziness...you know how caps get me all jittery :) I thought I knew a lot (capitalism being merely a tinka), but I don`t seem to...the reference to Israel did not insinuate the article you posted...tend to avoid reading those or delay reading them because I have to keep up with the other posts... by the way, the offer elsewhere...is it only for `wandering chowkies` or also for those who know exactly where they are headed???

Yeah...they question my nationalism...and a lot else...yawn...see you around whenever...

#241 stuka

Re:doofus

I guess we pick up a few of these whackos every now and then. The funniest thing about this guy is that he thinks that there are some special rules on how and why nations are formed. This ignoramus doesnt even realize that people have only thought of ``nations`` starting in 17th and 18th century europe and then later in other regions. Before that most europeans would have identified as christians or by some regional designation (e.g., prussian or venetian).

And all this while belonging to a country invented in the 1940s which split into two not long ago !!! Hee, hee, and now this clown is spending time explaining to indians that their country doesn`t exist :-)

The whole thing is actually quite funny. But i did learn from all of the interacts including anuradha (heh, good job giving these cool references -- I plan to purchase a copy of alberuni`s work) and alephnull. As for, doofus, yaar, please take your medication (maybe its a bi-polar disorder?) and try to calm down.

stuka #241 ``Doofus ran away...`

heh? Ran away? You should be so lucky. It`s late here and I will see you tommorrow.

Doofus ran away after I reminded him that shedding blood ain`t as much fun as sucking it. After all if there is a war, Daddyji might actually have to go to the front and fight instead of supervising drainage at Heera Mandi while Jehadis do the dirty work.

#238 doofus

Kashmir is considered ``occupied`` only by the Pakistani army and some elite Pakistanis. So your question is quite nonsensical.

BTW, do I have the right to assault you because your existence is an insult to humanity?

Please do answer. Dont try to evade this question. Otherwise, you will be totally exposed as a fraud who makes up silly questions but refuses to answer them !!

Dionysus:

``Do Kashmiri militants have the right to plant bombs in Indian cities in response to the Indian occupation of their country and brutalization of their people? ``

It comes down to escalation. There is no right or wrong. They can do what they want and we will respond as we see fit. Punjabi militants infiltrating into Kashmir have no right to do anything at all, but then if might alone is right, you can do what you want and we can respond at a time and place of our choosing. Your statements (not yours personally) of moral support are hot air and I don`t see any reason to concede moral superiority. I do think Pakistan has the right to avenge Bangladesh but please spare us the moral indignation. After all, we do have the right to fight back, and if it is war without rules, at a time and place of our choosing.

You will see that we have a record of doing that. For the loss of 3 officers and three men (1 MiG, 1 Mirage and a chopper) we took out more than a dozen officers and men (along with 1 of 2 PN`s Atlantique), similarly for Grand Slam we had Bangladesh. For Kashmir, who knows..

stuka #233 ``Oofcourse. And we have the right to respond as we see fit. ``

You didn`t answer the whole question. Do Kashmiri militants have the right to plant bombs in Indian cities in response to the Indian occupation of their country and brutalization of their people?