On Countries of Dwelling

This is a wonderful article. Definitely, Pakistan for you will be as grand as you make it with your personal efforts. Wish every Pakistani was like you. Hope you never get disillusioned by the state of this country.

A country whose people have successfully been handed down the hate machinery to the personal level after Kargil.

Guess this says it all. What were we supposed to do after we extended our hand of friendship. Hopes were raised the two countries will find ways to live with each other. What did your guy do ? First he hoodwinked his own Prime Minister and attacked India and then he became your dictator. How the hell can we trust people like that.

If the hate machinery that allude to existed why the hell would we be welcoming sick Pakis kids and healing them. As a matter of fact we Indians are sentimental idiots. We forget how much hate is embedded in our neighbor to the West. Hate was the cause your country came to existence. Hate is what your country was suckled by. Hate is the foreign policy of your country. Hate is your National preoccupation. Even when you know what Hate did your country(split it in half), still you do not give it up.

If you are impressed by America then you should love India. We have people of different religions, different languages coexisting even with great attempts made by our neighbor to provoke us into internal enmities.

I found amusing your sterotyping an Indian programmer and talking about his chappals etc.
Well my sterotytype of a Pakistani in America is a middle aged guy with dyed beard, wearing kurta and salwar followed by a few women who could be either his wives or daughters wearing garish salwar kameezez and with a bunch of kids ( at least 6).

I find it amazing how you throw words like ``progroms of Muslims in Gujrat``. Well Muslims in India have grown both in absolute numbers and percentage of population since 1947. People subjected to progroms are not supposed to do that. You guys should know after you most efficeintly progrommed Hindus and Sikhs out of Pakiland. Have you ever wondered that if things are so bad for Muslims in Gujrat, why they have not made a beeline to to the Pakistani border and asked for asylum. I have not heard about a single incident of a single muslim trying to enter the Paki homeland. On the contrary a number of Bongs(as your great Field Marshal used to call them) are still coming over from Bangaladesh into India. Do u think they are masochists who love to be ``Progrommed`` in India.

where did you learn to write like that Aisha -- great great piece -- great content -- great style -- your pen glides through your emotions like a knife through butter -- u r a very decent sensitive soul --

bless you Aisha --

please write more often and write more ... more

My Dear Ms. Sarwari,

I apologize for being blunt but this is, again, another waste of bandwidth. Narcissistic, naive, self-indulgent, truly sophomoric and frankly I felt quite embarrassed for you as I read it. This piece read like extracts from the diary of a freshman, not a college freshman but a high school one. Please refrain from submitting more such pieces to Chowk and thus spare both yourself and the reader.

Regards.

Aisha - a really beautifully written piece. All best wishes for your move home (and hopes of forgiveness for past misdeeds). I am sure that you will do Pakistan proud.

Dear Aisha,

I agree with Sigalph #3

This is a great piece. Waisay when was Pakistan an underdog in the cricket matches? Or is this a reference to the matches between the Kenyan-Pakis and Koknis?

You are right ... Pakistan is a constant! It will always be there. It is no puff of smoke, nor is it some `ideological state` that some Pakistani pretend but a concrete reality ... which will exist, and lend us inspiration whenever we will turn to it.

-YLH

From SharifulMujahid
Chairman--QuaideAzam Academy
Dawn--sept. 11,2003.

excerpt:
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He had invoked the Madinite model of statehood in his reply to Lord Mountbatten on August 14, 1947, and that model was based on the Misaq-i-Madina, which Dr. Hamidullah describes as the first written constitution in the world.

The Misaq-i-Madina, promulgated by the Prophet (PBUH), had envisaged a pluralist state (articles 1, 2, 25-35, and 46), bearing in mind the multi-racial, multi-lingual and multi-religious character of Madina, and its defence was made the collective responsibility of all its citizens (articles, 24, 44, 45a, and 45b). Hence Jinnah`s pluralist doctrine for Pakistan is, by no means, in conflict with his declaration of Pakistan being an ``Islamic democracy``. And his pluralist doctrine continues to be extremely relevant in the context of the divisive forces and voices that have for long plagued Pakistan.

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shukar hai kay `Islamists` are atleast accepting the principle of Pluralism .. :)

We are well aware of Prof. ShareefulMujahid`s writings (especially Quaid-e-Azam Studies in interpretation)... he is rather liberal... i doubt that echoboom would agree with him so whole heartedly

ps u still didn`t answer me on urstruly`s board.

24:MantoLives

Even when someone says what you yourself mean BUT does not use the words `liberal` `secular` or `pluralism` and draws inspiration from `meesaque` `sharia` or `shoora` instead--your western education puts blinkers on you and you start cursing at windmills and mistake ropes for dragons.

Please shed & cast aside the western-education and start using your own mind. You`ve grown up now. In Quaids days this was considered mature age. Look what Iqbal accomplished when he was at this age.

Be with the futurists. Western edifice is creaking & crumbling and let us join hands to give it a final push..[[ Western is not US or Europe, nor white, nor non-muslim. It is the infidel satanic and secularistic mindset like that of Phiraun, Nimrod and Caligula [ Saddam Bush Mubarak and Fahd types] ]

Calm down. An Islamic system is the best system in the world-- or as a corrollary(sp?) Any system which has any good aspects to it has to be the Islamic one.

From Napoleonic code (inspired by his Islamic bent) to Jefferson`s learning from the French to the present bill of rights. Whatever is good there is ISLAMIC. Call it by whatever name. Muslims, if given a choice, would love to name it Islamic and they will not want it anyother way.

Echoboom...

I am not in the business of convincing... what is required is complete equality without any discrimination on the basis of religion caste or creed.... you can call it by any name you want... I have not sopped anyone from making a fool of themselves.

-YLH

Fuzair,

First of all, I am not an avid reader of the writer under discussion.

But, don`t you think that we all have our own learning curve ?
While we are on that journey, we will always have some folks who are with us, some who are not with us and some who are way behind us. Just a personal observation.

re echoboom to manto

``Calm down. An Islamic system is the best system in the world-- or as a corrollary(sp?) Any system which has any good aspects to it has to be the Islamic one.``

Wonder who has the blinkers.

sigalph

lol :)

Waisay I am ready to run with the idea ... cuz echo writes: ``Any system which has any good aspects to it has to be the Islamic one``

So I suppose Secular Democracy is the most Islamic system in the world. Problem solved... what say you Echo?

-YLH

re. echoboom, who quoted:
``Hence Jinnah`s pluralist doctrine for Pakistan is, by no means, in conflict with his declaration of Pakistan being an ``Islamic democracy``. And his pluralist doctrine continues to be extremely relevant in the context of the divisive forces and voices that have for long plagued Pakistan``
This is welcome news to someone who sees the impracticability of Western-style secularism in a society with such strong and deep religious underpinnings.
However, given the ground realities, i suspect it would be the folks on the right, not the left, that would have more problems with the practical application of this principle/vision. What say ye?

Missed a thought. When I wrote ``I may not share with you a past of always favouring the underdog. Indeed, I was often among those by whom ``it was hated``.`` I meant to follow with: The irony is that going away from it, calling somewhere else home (or trying to anyway) is what made me more, well, more sympathetic with the underdog. But it`s more than that.. it`s deeper understanding, not just chartiable sympathy. And that is more durable than sympathy.