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Rashid Latif’s Abeyance From One Day Cricket

Jarrar Jaffari September 24, 2003

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#1 Posted by rozaiba on September 24, 2003 3:20:19 pm
Jarrar! A MILE HIGH salute to you!

I LOVED the Broncos-Raiders game! It`s not just Shanahan who gets great joy at beating up the Raiders!

It is amazing. Twenty years ago, when I had not begun pre-school I recall sitting in a small dinky apartment in Fort Collins next to brother and dad watching the Broncos play their weekly games.

Even watching sports functions as something that brings people together. My dad, who otherwise is no good in playing ANY sport but watches them all with a passion, would explain how the rules of football work.

Since the eighties, so much has changed with the Broncos.

New uniforms. New logos. New coach. New stadium. Two Super Bowls. And of course, no more John Elway.

Yet the loyalty to the Broncos remains! But we better watch out for dem Chiefs!



As for cricket, seeing that stinker Tauqir Zia always turns my interest in the team off.
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#2 Posted by JarrarJaffari on September 24, 2003 5:21:13 pm
Rozaiba,

There is not many bigger sporting events on the planet than:

  • India Vs Pakistan Cricket game,
  • Raiders Vs Broncos,
  • England vs Argentina SOCCER games.
  • and of course RED-WINGS Vs AVS

This week-end happened to have the Broncos/Raiders showdown and boy o boy it was some show.

It was great to see Ashly Lelee and Mike Anderson reviving the ``Mile-High Salute`` that one of the greatest Bronco, Terril Davis, invented in late 90s.

As on the topic of Gen Tauqir Zia I am surprized that the man has now turned against Rashid Latif and has publically stated that it still has to be seen if Rashid has a place in the team and criticised the catch that I talked about in this article. He let his son Junaid Zia play for Pakistan, despite below average talents, that in itself speaks how commited he is in playing by the rules.

South African Tour of Pakistan:

I was outraged reading South African refusal to come visit Paksitan, considering the fact that it was recently evaluated by the same country`s Cricket board that it was safe to Play in Pakistan. I have always supported a country`s decision not to play if player`s life is not safe I supported England`s decision to not go to Zimbabwe and Newzland`s decision to abandon their tour of Pak after a bomb blast in their hotel. But UCBSA decided it was safe to play and then within 2 days out of blue in reaction to an isolated bomb-blas pulled out of the tour. Only one word REDICULUS!

Perhaps UCBSA needs to look into the history when Pak players were stabbed, muged in Johnsberg but had no words of complaints when their worldcup base was a city none other than crime capital of RSA Johansberg.

Jarrar
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#3 Posted by JarrarJaffari on September 24, 2003 5:22:45 pm
Ooops
In 6th Paragraph of the article the sentence:
`` When so much money is involved and stacks are so high``

should be read as:
`` When so much money is involved and stakes are so high``.

My apologies for the type that happened to be a genuine word hence no spell check problems.

Jarrar
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#4 Posted by ahmedmadani on September 24, 2003 6:53:47 pm
JJ thanks for article about cricket. Every body was extremely disappointed by decision (S A teams refusal to play, I agree their country is not haven, in fact most of worries of people there about being mugged by Mandela`s ANP gangs).as we can not see great team of ours at home grounds. I think team has improved as can be victory over bangla desh. I am delighted to see Rawalpindi express is in full steam and his form is good. He was able to give punishment to bangala deshis and battered their battsman. Can pakistan sue SA Cricket establishment in some way to to recover expenses and lost reveues by Idustry of hoels? Can players be held responsible ?. Can we (should also) ``teach`` lesson by cancelling and bycotting till they contribute to spirit of cricket by being good sportsman and Gentlamen?
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#5 Posted by JarrarJaffari on September 24, 2003 9:59:43 pm
ahmedmadani,

Thanx for your comments. By the way South Africa has agreed to have a shortened tour of Pakistan starting from 1st October of this year, this happened once Pakistan threatened to do what your were suggesting.

I have a great deal of respect for Nalsen Mandla and regard him one of the greatest leaders of this century, and I don`t know if ANP`s personnel are purposely mugging foreign cricketrs as I fail to see any political gain from such an act. I think such incidents are isolated simple street-side crimes without any deep political orientation. May you know something I don`t.

Cheers,
Jarrar
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#6 Posted by ahmedmadani on September 25, 2003 4:07:47 am
Ref #6: Thanks JJ for you informing Chowk of reschedule of South African team.
I have personal interest if they are going to tour ``KARACHI`` ? Our industry if given chance will show what is 4 star hotel means, by 5 star seviice at 4 star prices. As a experienced person I will tell you live in 4 star hotel, living in 5star is like burning your money foolishly.
I am happy that PM. Jamali directed (Indirectly) action which lead to this breakthrough. Our team is well geard after good matches against B.Desh. Specially Rawalpindi Express is in best form as by october little cool at night can put some ``charm`` in wicket. I have not understood your some contents from article. Is cricket Teams are popular n USA or canada.
Do white people play cricket or its mostly desi and black african crowd. Write some time about those teams from america you have mentioned. I always felt American people are too restless too watch 5 days game which results in draw.I think american can not understand game of gentleman like british person is polished. Generally I have observed their behaviour they are impatient and some times fast but not subtle. I do not want them in cricket as they can bring vulgarity and sex and what not in game and in no time all deshis will be bottom fish hockey is example. As once bush said to his hockey team go and kick buts of deshi hockey teams. You know what happened. May be Canada may be ok as they have british connection.. I read from Gardian Tendular is at last rope he has not been able go beyond 50s. ( against local bunch of amature teams). This good news as when India pakistan meets Rpd Express is going to take revange of world match. I think if we have good coaches good pathans can be trained as great seamers. Do you know which cities will host the games? Its interesting to know.
I wonder if similar action can be taken against India nation( not against indian players) so they will be forced to tour Pakistan and we can send team also. It will be third world war in Subcontinent. Let us hope for sake of game Indians do not resort in desparation to use ball as missile to hit out Wicket Keeper`s head as they did. ( Can team be prosecuted for this type of action and that bowler for trying to hard hit on brain of person.). I hope Indian team will understand winning is good but what means you use are equally important.

I agree with you about Mr. Mandela. Though his politics is little wrong you can agree. His country is always dependant on USA but he insults bush always and his admiration for Mr. Castro and Gaddafi and Gandhi. I was little disturbed when he wrote in Time magzine specially on Mr. Gandhi as man of century. Indians are good Propangandist to put this faraud on world people. And we are worst. ( we have stadium in his name, you may not know) is not understandable also he supports blacks as they are black and gets mad if some body critic black dictector. ANC gangs ( not anp) and Zulu gangs fight and killeach other. There is problem ypu know- Mandela is ``Hoxa`` royal blood and Butlazi is Zulu- connected to Zulu King. ITis true thse gangs do not target any Cricket fans- generally they mug and target any body in secular fashion. I wonder we should Change name of stadium? Or let it go its history. I wonder Mr. Kaddafy has interest in cricket. He is more in desert camping and picknicking allong with his favourite Camels and Entorage. Just like S African board threaten regarding name and will easily throw few hundred millions can help lot. Specially can be put to use of cricket training.
Some times wonder some countries when their team is not strong `` find law and order problem`` to save their teams sure defeat and refuse to tour pakistan ? Hope some eastern side people throw light. I do not blame for that action as better to ``cover `` and bluff and conder oneself as great team.

JJ I am greatful to you as this is getting gutter mud sliding and you bring sports , I like that. I have respect you have good attitude and you do not write as if you are King of USA or canada that I like. Any way most are low lifes and brainless less monkey type people on political things they just read some thing and their brainless stupid ideas agin again same. Any way I do not like some times expaks as they have wrong ideas.
They come here to marry and decive even well raskals. They cheat and lie about education and take away and marry fairer girls and girls do same. They lie about how much money they are making in usa and uk etc. They show nice picture of their house but its in Black area no body wants to live there.They take some pictures against big buildinds in states say he works there, so people get impressed ( damn he may be Bhangi there) and ask stupid questions to good looking brides. One person asked my somebody if she cam prepare food, I was mad as how a smart woman can waste time in cooking when she is MSc maths grad from Karachi University. For food making her mother is strong why she should bother.. And expect some bodies daughter to spend time going here and there. The stupid monkey asked her she has any hobbies and interest in social work, does she likes Musiums and galleries( what a thrash i see in our establishment so called artists and their ``work``) she said some thing ( you know we lie abouy our hobies, how beautiful young intelligent man or woman can have such perverse interests in arts, social service at that age may be in 60s). Then I said yes is really interested inso many things difficult to tell. He was thieve as he said Mr. Madani I will like to your little darling. And this darling is under lot of stress and sweating. So I said tell this lafanga about you college maths club, she is secretary of that club. She understood thread, also takes place in debating society you all know those worthless things you can claim without doing. This little lafanga tells me sorry mr. Madani He is looking for some body who can accompany in more cultured cosmopolitian atmosphere in usa. He said he is not just looking for wife but companion, intelluctually stimulating who is inwardly outward looking, what crap we have to take. I offered him tea ( and his damn father mother- uglies) they politely refused and just eat spoon ful of good stuff as if we have mixed poison it . And his picture he sent us from Compuer was not exactly right. He had covered his signs of coming baldness covered artistically. He did looked bad in person, he lied about about his weight. Height was little liberal, I knew these punk lagfangas cheat, i had marks on wall only I can see. Its about less by 1 inch. I took extra care shaved myself second time. All useless all lufangas no brains. Our home department was also little affectionate for change. Basterd was talking phony with Punjabiglish tone and just same vulger english.And he put handerchieff in his upper pocket and wiped his ugly face after eating one spoon of food. His stupid father asked me how is health of your family any diabetis, heart trouble or any heridatory diseases. Now how I will know? I told everything is fine and dandy. (Last time I went to doctor and he took my blood and urine test ( just to make money). I asked him how is my health,( I am scared of our doctors as they can start long term problems), he just stood up and embraced me.( it gave fear shock). I thoght i am on last call from upperwallah. Then he said calmly Mr. Madani no BP, no sugar in blood,good red and white color for blood and..... He said Mr. Madani you blood will put to shame 20 years boys. Such blood samples should be sent to medical colleges to preserve.) This best human specimen he has seen in medical practice. But what is point in boasting against little dark monkies.
Any way I was happy to see this stupid family go away and save my daughter. We are jats and we really should entertain only our people. Generaly in last one week i have develoed dislike about expak. All are not bad or stupid I admit. But I think 35% are not stupid. I am little biased. May be 50% are not stupid. Generally we are all stupid. Generally daughters only want good looking, Person like me want little better sofisticated brainy educated, My home dept is only interested in money, the boy makes its just lafangebazi. Any way still two to go. I have faith in all mighty and things will work out.

Anyways all frustration of father for little darling,who feel I am stupid. I have problem . My wife feels I do not know how to talk to these punk lafangas. I talk to my little darling she does not understand my language and I can never make sense what she says and she says I do not care and just are criticizing boys. Again no criticism of anybody just dumping stupid peoples burden on mind.
Good luck every body.
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#7 Posted by rkhan on September 25, 2003 4:07:47 am
The latest is that Rashid Latif has resigned as a captain of the Pakistan cricket team. This event following the recent outburst of Mr. Tauqir Zia does raise some questions.

First of all the biggest blunder Mr. Zia had done was not to appeal the 5 month ban on Rashid. Although, it is clear that it was more of the fault of the umpire then that of Rashid. The logic used by Mike Procter holds absolutely no weight. As per his logic if a batsman doesn’t walk after nicking a ball, he should be banned for five matches and a bowler who successfully appeals for a LBW to a ball pitched outside leg stump should also be banned for five matches. I think the should have taken up the matter like the Indian Cricket Board when Tendulkar was banned for ball tempering.

Secondly Rashid in his position both as a captain and as a wicketkeeper to date has done an outstanding job. It is a well-known fact that Rashid is a very honest and straight forward man. There is not point in changing him at this current juncture.

Thirdly Mr. Zia has been the one who has to date changed numerous captains and coaches since he has come to power with hardly a difference. Yet as Freddy Mercury said ``Another one bites the dust``. Till very recently I truly believed in Mr. Zia`s ability to turn the cricket fortunes of Pakistan around, up until I saw Junaid Zia playing for Pakistan. Had Junaid performed better maybe I would have changed my mind, but really the Bangla batsmen cared two hoots about his bowling and his figures portray the rest.

Keeping in mind all these factors, I think its time for Mr. Zia to bite the dust and not Rashid. Mr. Zia’s contribution in creating the academies is a good one for which we should be grateful. But on the National Team level he has been nothing but a pain in the butt.
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#8 Posted by ahmedmadani on September 25, 2003 4:07:47 am
Ref #6: Thanks JJ for you informing Chowk of reschedule of South African team.
I have personal interest if they are going to tour ``KARACHI`` ? Our industry if given chance will show what is 4 star hotel means, by 5 star seviice at 4 star prices. As a experienced person I will tell you live in 4 star hotel, living in 5star is like burning your money foolishly.
I am happy that PM. Jamali directed (Indirectly) action which lead to this breakthrough. Our team is well geard after good matches against B.Desh. Specially Rawalpindi Express is in best form as by october little cool at night can put some ``charm`` in wicket. I have not understood your some contents from article. Is cricket Teams are popular n USA or canada.
Do white people play cricket or its mostly desi and black african crowd. Write some time about those teams from america you have mentioned. I always felt American people are too restless too watch 5 days game which results in draw.I think american can not understand game of gentleman like british person is polished. Generally I have observed their behaviour they are impatient and some times fast but not subtle. I do not want them in cricket as they can bring vulgarity and sex and what not in game and in no time all deshis will be bottom fish hockey is example. As once bush said to his hockey team go and kick buts of deshi hockey teams. You know what happened. May be Canada may be ok as they have british connection.. I read from Gardian Tendular is at last rope he has not been able go beyond 50s. ( against local bunch of amature teams). This good news as when India pakistan meets Rpd Express is going to take revange of world match. I think if we have good coaches good pathans can be trained as great seamers. Do you know which cities will host the games? Its interesting to know.
I wonder if similar action can be taken against India nation( not against indian players) so they will be forced to tour Pakistan and we can send team also. It will be third world war in Subcontinent. Let us hope for sake of game Indians do not resort in desparation to use ball as missile to hit out Wicket Keeper`s head as they did. ( Can team be prosecuted for this type of action and that bowler for trying to hard hit on brain of person.). I hope Indian team will understand winning is good but what means you use are equally important.

I agree with you about Mr. Mandela. Though his politics is little wrong you can agree. His country is always dependant on USA but he insults bush always and his admiration for Mr. Castro and Gaddafi and Gandhi. I was little disturbed when he wrote in Time magzine specially on Mr. Gandhi as man of century. Indians are good Propangandist to put this faraud on world people. And we are worst. ( we have stadium in his name, you may not know) is not understandable also he supports blacks as they are black and gets mad if some body critic black dictector. ANC gangs ( not anp) and Zulu gangs fight and killeach other. There is problem ypu know- Mandela is ``Hoxa`` royal blood and Butlazi is Zulu- connected to Zulu King. ITis true thse gangs do not target any Cricket fans- generally they mug and target any body in secular fashion. I wonder we should Change name of stadium? Or let it go its history. I wonder Mr. Kaddafy has interest in cricket. He is more in desert camping and picknicking allong with his favourite Camels and Entorage. Just like S African board threaten regarding name and will easily throw few hundred millions can help lot. Specially can be put to use of cricket training.
Some times wonder some countries when their team is not strong `` find law and order problem`` to save their teams sure defeat and refuse to tour pakistan ? Hope some eastern side people throw light. I do not blame for that action as better to ``cover `` and bluff and conder oneself as great team.

JJ I am greatful to you as this is getting gutter mud sliding and you bring sports , I like that. I have respect you have good attitude and you do not write as if you are King of USA or canada that I like. Any way most are low lifes and brainless less monkey type people on political things they just read some thing and their brainless stupid ideas agin again same. Any way I do not like some times expaks as they have wrong ideas.
They come here to marry and decive even well raskals. They cheat and lie about education and take away and marry fairer girls and girls do same. They lie about how much money they are making in usa and uk etc. They show nice picture of their house but its in Black area no body wants to live there.They take some pictures against big buildinds in states say he works there, so people get impressed ( damn he may be Bhangi there) and ask stupid questions to good looking brides. One person asked my somebody if she cam prepare food, I was mad as how a smart woman can waste time in cooking when she is MSc maths grad from Karachi University. For food making her mother is strong why she should bother.. And expect some bodies daughter to spend time going here and there. The stupid monkey asked her she has any hobbies and interest in social work, does she likes Musiums and galleries( what a thrash i see in our establishment so called artists and their ``work``) she said some thing ( you know we lie abouy our hobies, how beautiful young intelligent man or woman can have such perverse interests in arts, social service at that age may be in 60s). Then I said yes is really interested inso many things difficult to tell. He was thieve as he said Mr. Madani I will like to your little darling. And this darling is under lot of stress and sweating. So I said tell this lafanga about you college maths club, she is secretary of that club. She understood thread, also takes place in debating society you all know those worthless things you can claim without doing. This little lafanga tells me sorry mr. Madani He is looking for some body who can accompany in more cultured cosmopolitian atmosphere in usa. He said he is not just looking for wife but companion, intelluctually stimulating who is inwardly outward looking, what crap we have to take. I offered him tea ( and his damn father mother- uglies) they politely refused and just eat spoon ful of good stuff as if we have mixed poison it . And his picture he sent us from Compuer was not exactly right. He had covered his signs of coming baldness covered artistically. He did looked bad in person, he lied about about his weight. Height was little liberal, I knew these punk lagfangas cheat, i had marks on wall only I can see. Its about less by 1 inch. I took extra care shaved myself second time. All useless all lufangas no brains. Our home department was also little affectionate for change. Basterd was talking phony with Punjabiglish tone and just same vulger english.And he put handerchieff in his upper pocket and wiped his ugly face after eating one spoon of food. His stupid father asked me how is health of your family any diabetis, heart trouble or any heridatory diseases. Now how I will know? I told everything is fine and dandy. (Last time I went to doctor and he took my blood and urine test ( just to make money). I asked him how is my health,( I am scared of our doctors as they can start long term problems), he just stood up and embraced me.( it gave fear shock). I thoght i am on last call from upperwallah. Then he said calmly Mr. Madani no BP, no sugar in blood,good red and white color for blood and..... He said Mr. Madani you blood will put to shame 20 years boys. Such blood samples should be sent to medical colleges to preserve.) This best human specimen he has seen in medical practice. But what is point in boasting against little dark monkies.
Any way I was happy to see this stupid family go away and save my daughter. We are jats and we really should entertain only our people. Generaly in last one week i have develoed dislike about expak. All are not bad or stupid I admit. But I think 35% are not stupid. I am little biased. May be 50% are not stupid. Generally we are all stupid. Generally daughters only want good looking, Person like me want little better sofisticated brainy educated, My home dept is only interested in money, the boy makes its just lafangebazi. Any way still two to go. I have faith in all mighty and things will work out.

Anyways all frustration of father for little darling,who feel I am stupid. I have problem . My wife feels I do not know how to talk to these punk lafangas. I talk to my little darling she does not understand my language and I can never make sense what she says and she says I do not care and just are criticizing boys. Again no criticism of anybody just dumping stupid peoples burden on mind.
Good luck every body.
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#9 Posted by nadeemakr on September 25, 2003 4:07:47 am
Rashid Lateef may have been a victim of `judgemental error`
accidental or deliberate, but he has shown his mettle
once again (not surprisingly) while talking to GEO last night...His has once again proved his critics right by throwing in the towel when going got tough and once again the target of his contempt is none other than his `buddies`...However, he was careful not to annoy the General-in-Chief of the Pakistani Cricket Board...a crafty operator he is, this Rashi Lateef....he has once again made a mockery of Pakistani Cricket, which is held in low esteem both on and off the field by every serious cricketer and cricket lover around the cricketing globe...I wonder why this chronic whiner was considered for the captaincy in the first place...He is nothing but a whiner and I hope that this would be last time that we will hear of him on and off the field...
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#10 Posted by Areen on September 25, 2003 4:07:47 am
So Rashid Latif has resigned as Captain.........unclear whether he is still a part of squad or not.....in his interview with GEO TV he preferred to keep his lips crossed regarding any dispute with the selection committee or Gen 2qir.
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#11 Posted by MantoLives on September 25, 2003 8:08:32 am
Peeps...

When Ronaldinho claims unfairly an offence and gets a penalty and a goal against Turkey in the World cup its ok and he is a hero... but if Rashid Latif claims a catch that was well taken for many seconds... its a crime... wonderful.

Anyway... Rashid Latif should`ve been more careful. He is the leader of the Pakistan team... he should act like one... I remember when that catch was taken however, and those who have seen countless replays can see that Rashid Latif genuinely thought it was a catch.

-ylh
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#12 Posted by desparado on September 25, 2003 9:03:44 am
Nice article JJ, and special thanks to Mr. Ahmed Madani for such insightful review of the article.
You talked about about everything from hotels to india using missile, Tendular aka ``Tendulkar`` to rawalpindi express. but u just missed on one thing Rashid Latif`s Controversy. But that is totally understandable as ur a busy man running a 4 star hotel with 5 star facilities.
Ur relevence of Nelson Mandela with this article was incridible and speaks load about ur understanding,education and depth of knowledge.
We all in this forum r lucky to be blessed by ur incridble reviews.

Thanks and keep up the good work. belive me every one (and specially indians like me) are having a great time reading ur reviews.

best rgds
desparado
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#13 Posted by JarrarJaffari on September 25, 2003 9:33:39 am
Dear Mr. Madni,

Thanx a bunch for taking so much time to write.

No the itenary does not include Krachi and Peshawar as one of the venues.

Thanx for your suggestion about 4 and 5 star hotels, I always stay at 2 or 3 stars so it does`nt matter to me much, but thanx any way.


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Is cricket Teams are popular n USA or canada.
Do white people play cricket or its mostly desi and black african crowd. Write some time about those teams from america you have mentioned.
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I guess in Canada Cricket is more popular than USA, but cricket history is very strong and rich in USA. Sir Don has mentioned name of a man named Bart King, who has been a great fastbowler in english county and was from Phildalphea. Sir Don credited him for introducing the art of swing bowling in cricket. First ever international Cricket match was between USA and Canada.

These days Cricket is not that popular among Americans, I would prefer not to think in terms of Blacks and whites though. In our Cricket league there is an american kid, 19 years old, who learent cricket in Colorado and plays in USA under 19. He is a good quick bowler and an awesome hitter.

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I do not want them in cricket as they can bring vulgarity and sex and what not in game and in no time all deshis will be bottom fish hockey is example. As once bush said to his hockey team go and kick buts of deshi hockey teams. You know what happened.
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It does not matter what me and you want USA team participate in red stripe cup, a premire first class tournament in westindies, and they have decent team. I fail to understand how American will bring vulgarity and sex in the game ? Are you trying to say these things are absent in modernday cricket and that Cricketers of the day do not perform this humanly act of enjoying sex ?
I have no recollection of USA team ever playing field hockey, and Pakistanies every playing ICE-HOCKEY so your comment about Bush`s statement makes little sense to me.

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I wonder if similar action can be taken against India nation( not against indian players) so they will be forced to tour Pakistan and we can send team also. It will be third world war in Subcontinent. Let us hope for sake of game Indians do not resort in desparation to use ball as missile to hit out Wicket Keeper`s head as they did. ( Can team be prosecuted for this type of action and that bowler for trying to hard hit on brain of person.). I hope Indian team will understand winning is good but what means you use are equally important.
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I don`t think India has ever refused to tour Pakistan for the fear of security to their players, as did South Africans, they have been refusing to come to Paksitan for very politically charged issue of Kashmir. I may not agree with what they do but these two issues are poles apart.

Every country uses sports as a tool of political propaganda USA has done, USSR, Germany, England and our own beloved homeland Pakistan has also done so. These all countries have in past opted to boycott Olympics for political reasons.

Yes I think ICC should take charge of these things and have clear cut policy about what the penality would be in case a country opt to pull out of her tour of another country. It still is a legitimate right of a country to opt not to tour a country for political reasons and me or you agree with the point of view a country is a very different thing any way.

I must confess at the end that I found rest of your post unrelated to matters of cricket in general and issue of Rashid Latif in particular. I can imagine your pain of trying to find a match for your intelligent daughters but I would rather prefer to talk cricket in this post. I hope you understand my limitations.

I am sure other foura on this web site might be better choice to raise your concerns, but not this thanx for understanding.

Jarrar
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#14 Posted by PM on September 25, 2003 10:38:30 am
Manto,
Good point! In fact, why venture into Football. When bowlers and fielders claim catches to put unpires under pressure, even when they know the ball wasn`t snicked, how is taht different. And how is the batsman who doesn`t walk (when he knows he`s snicked it) any less culpable than Rashid was deemed.
In my opinion, there was enough doubt (at least to an involved party-- i.e, the fielders-- for him to have actaully convinced himself that the catch was completed. No real cheating there.)
What was ratehr annoying was hearing Rameez Raja and Aamir Sohail initally defend Rashid`s catch as kosher. Only after four repays and Manjrekar`s insitence, did Rameez. a PCB chief executiove, yield an ``it`s interesting``!!!
The jerk (RR), during the World Cup, discounted an lbw appeal for ``clearly being outside the line of the stumps when contact was made.`` Idiot! the batsman wasn`t offering a stroke.
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#15 Posted by asadm on September 27, 2003 12:26:18 am
If a player is outside the crease when the bowler comes up to the stumps to bowl he can stump him/runhim out, but it never happens. Its the whole fairplay gentlemanly aspect of the game of Cricket. Rashid Latid dropped the catch it was pretty obvious. Yet he insisted that he did not. The replays clearly show the ball on the ground. The umpire gave the batsman out because he trusted Rashid Latif when he said that he caught the ball. Latif showed poor judgement and he should at the least be remorseful, which he is not. I am a huge fan of Pakistani cricket and I am pretty sure that Pakistan would have won the match regardless of him catching or dropping the ball. Lets not get carried away with the whole world is against us theme for a small little thing like this. By the way i predict that Pakistan will thrash the South Africans in both the tests and one days and the only terror the South Africans will face will be the trio of Shoaib, Sami and Shabbir. Also the Raiders and Broncos suck!!!!!!!!
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#16 Posted by JarrarJaffari on September 27, 2003 9:03:46 am
asadm,

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If a player is outside the crease when the bowler comes up to the stumps to bowl he can stump him/runhim out, but it never happens. Its the whole fairplay gentlemanly aspect of the game of Cricket. Rashid Latid dropped the catch it was pretty obvious.
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I wouldn`t go as far as saying it has never happen, yes it is rare. I am willing to bet that if a batsman is standing out of his crease the bowler will run him out, and I don`t know how it is unethical or unfair.

It is a tradition that you play it fair, but it has always been violated that is why you need written rules you can refer to at the time of confusion especially now when Cricket has spread in the four cornors of the world.

As back as great Sir Dr. William Gilbert Grace (aka W.G GRace) we know how ungentlemanish he was. It is documented that he would cheat in toss, would hide ball in his person and run out batsmen and many more such shadowy deeds. Oh and the would any one call body-line series an act of gentlemen ? What about Dennis Lillee on TV kicking Javid Miandad.

Yes it was suppose to be played by gentlemen in the sense of true gamesmanship as per its traditions. This whole idea is wrong in the day and age of commercilaization. The spirit of the game is to play it as per rules laid-down in ICC books.

No I do not think it is a conspiracy against Paksitan and firmly beleive that it is a mistake to expect people to play by so-called pseudo traditions of the game.

I dont think Pakistan will out-play South Africans but it sure will be a good series to watch!!

JArrar
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