Of Rites and Rights: An Interview with Asma Jahangir
Anniqua Rana September 23, 2003
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#51 Posted by HH on September 24, 2003 8:31:01 am
arjun_m
your views seem as worthless and useless as arjun tank used by the indian army. ;-)
your views seem as worthless and useless as arjun tank used by the indian army. ;-)
#50 Posted by faisaluno on September 24, 2003 8:02:07 am
hey arjun_m:
we might be poor as church mice but we are still dill waley. in comparison, you have been displaying your sickness on chowk for years and yet how many of your countrymen have offered to help you out?
http://www-usa.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2003/SEP/255886_PAK_14SEP2003.html
In a heartwarming move, Pakistan`s cricketers have decided to donate a percentage of their earnings to a fund for former Pakistan players. Speaking to Reuters, Inzamam-ul-Haq, Pakistan`s captain, said, ``We have decided that every player in the team will donate five percent of his earnings from every match for a former player.``
#49 Posted by ballukhan on September 24, 2003 7:06:41 am
Why the Kashmir question is being forced upon Indian Muslims by Pakistani elites?
The elites of Pakistan suffer from a sense of rootless-ness and their conscience constantly raises the doubt about whether they made the right choice of migrating to their make believe ``Pure-Land`` or not. They are flabbergasted when they find indian Muslims staying without the horrors and miseries that were evoked by the Muslim League leaders in 1947 when they were forced to choose the two nation theory.
2. Now after 50 years, the Pakistani elites are the worst enemies of Indian Muslims because they want to see the Indian Muslims living in misery in the land of hindu kafirs(as they are made to believe in their text books)because their very healthy existence is a dis-proof/a refutation of the very foundation of two nation theory(i.e. the Hindus and Muslims cannot live together). The smiling Indian Muslim is an affront to their existence as a member of their fabled Pure-Land..... So he wants to see their smile turned into miseries.
3.These Pakistani elites (army is one of these elite groups)whose legitimacy is at stake train the terrorists so as to incite the communal passions and competitive communalist politics would create further divisions, alienation in the minds of the Indian Muslims.
4. Pakistanis hate India because they hate their origins, just as an illegitimate child hates his parents.(Can Pakistani Muslims call India as their homeland??)
The only solution is that the Indian Muslims should repudiate the choice made by their elders in 1947 to live in the secular India and tell the paki muslims to ``buzz off`` and continue living in their purest-lands for eternity.
The elites of Pakistan suffer from a sense of rootless-ness and their conscience constantly raises the doubt about whether they made the right choice of migrating to their make believe ``Pure-Land`` or not. They are flabbergasted when they find indian Muslims staying without the horrors and miseries that were evoked by the Muslim League leaders in 1947 when they were forced to choose the two nation theory.
2. Now after 50 years, the Pakistani elites are the worst enemies of Indian Muslims because they want to see the Indian Muslims living in misery in the land of hindu kafirs(as they are made to believe in their text books)because their very healthy existence is a dis-proof/a refutation of the very foundation of two nation theory(i.e. the Hindus and Muslims cannot live together). The smiling Indian Muslim is an affront to their existence as a member of their fabled Pure-Land..... So he wants to see their smile turned into miseries.
3.These Pakistani elites (army is one of these elite groups)whose legitimacy is at stake train the terrorists so as to incite the communal passions and competitive communalist politics would create further divisions, alienation in the minds of the Indian Muslims.
4. Pakistanis hate India because they hate their origins, just as an illegitimate child hates his parents.(Can Pakistani Muslims call India as their homeland??)
The only solution is that the Indian Muslims should repudiate the choice made by their elders in 1947 to live in the secular India and tell the paki muslims to ``buzz off`` and continue living in their purest-lands for eternity.
#48 Posted by ballukhan on September 24, 2003 7:06:41 am
Most Readable!!!
Kashmir and Indian Muslims
By Anwar Ali
A seminar was organized in Saharanpur recently by the local branch of ‘Milli Talimi Trust’. The topic of the seminar was ‘Role of Ulama in the War of Independence’. Many good speeches were delivered and crusading spirit and high moral characters of ulama of the past were emphasized.
But an important question that arises is ‘Will the ulama of the present day, specially those invited for this seminar and other prominent ulama whose names were included in the invitation follow the examples of previous ulama?’
Among the ulama of the past, two are great generals of the war of independence viz Maulana Abul Kalam Azad and Maulana Husain Ahmad Madani. For the present and under the existing circumstances the two most important problems for the future of Muslims are Hindu-Muslim problem and Kashmir problem and for both these problems the thoughts and activities of these great ulama are very important.
Maulana Azad wrote in his paper Al-Hilal in 1912 and subsequently said in his presidential address in the Khilafat conference at Agra in 1921 about Hindu Muslim problem and ‘the problem of nationality.
‘Hindu-Muslim unity is essential for India’s deliverance or freedom and also for Muslims to give their best performance in India. This is my belief which I have already declared in 1912 in the first issue of Al-Hilal. It is the religious duty of Indian Muslims to forge the bond of love in all sincerity with Hindus of India and become one nation along with them. They should mix up with twenty-two crore Hindus of India in such a way as to become one nation of India. Muslims of India will give their best performance when they will become one with Hindus’. (Ref. Khutbat-e Khilafat, pp. 87-88 ‘Marsia’ Prof. Mahmood Ilahi, Publisher: Urdu Academy, Lucknow).
In this way the late Maulana Azad induced Muslims in order to adopt the political principle of ‘Indian United Nationality’. This political belief of his is as important even now as it was during the days of Khilafat movement.
Sheikhul Islam Maulana Husain Ahmad Madani has described in detail this principle of ‘United Nationality of India’ in his famous work ‘United Nationality and Islam’. The political theory presented by him in this book in brief is: ‘Nations are built with motherland not with religion. This is to say, the basis of nationality is motherland. The Indian peninsula, with the Himalayas in the north, Indian Ocean in the South, Bay of Bengal and Arakan hills in the east and surrounded by Arabian Sea in the west is a geographical national unit, and its inhabitants, Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs and Christians form one ‘United Indian nation’. This principle of united nationality or nationhood is the basis of Constitution of India and the soul of the principle of secularism.
Qaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah was formerly, during a major part of his political career, was a believer in this principle and took pride in calling himself a disciple of Gokhle. Later on (after 1934) he became a standard bearer and champion of separate nationality and two-nation theory. The hero of Sarojini Naidu and the ‘ambassador of Hindi-Muslim unity’ got the country partitioned. But in his first speech of 14 August 1947, which he delivered in the inaugural session of Pakistan’s Legislative Assembly. He abandoned the two-nation theory and openly presented the theory of United Pakistan Nationhood’. He presented a blueprint of a secular, democratic and progressive Pakistan where in all Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs and Christians will be free and independent Pakistani citizens.
In short, the basis of a bright future of India (including Pakistan and Bangladesh as well) is the theory of united nationhood. Same was the theory or concept of the crusading ulama of freedom as well.
The Muslim mind projected by Maulana Azad and Rafi Ahmad Qidwai about the Kashmir problem was the same concept of united nationhood. Having faith in the same concept Sheikh Mohammad Abdullah was a strong champion of Kashmir’s accession to India and he described the accession as final.
And now, voices are being raised that the Kashmir Valley should be declared an independent territory and the Kashmir problem should be solved in this way. The Sangh ‘Parivar’, which believes and is working for a ‘separate nation of Hindus’ in accordance with the political ideology of Hindu Mahasabha and Jan Sangh calls Muslims as ‘they’ and Hindus as ‘we’. If Kashmir is divided and this problem is proposed to be solved by declaring Jammu (Hindu), Laddakh (Buddhist) and Kashmir Valley (Muslim) as regional units, this solution will have an adverse effect on the future of Muslims of India. Ismat Jahangir, head of Pakistan’s Human Rights Commission, in an interview to The Times of India correspondent expressed the fear that such a solution may result in Hindu backlash and even the security forces will not be able to control their feelings of ‘Hindutva’.
It is now the need of the hour that the ulama associated with Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind following in the footsteps of their predecessors and other ulama associated with Milli Council, Muslim Personal Law Board, Imam Bokhari, Sayed Shahabuddin and other intellectuals and important personalities should come forward to lead the Muslims. They should take practical steps following those of Maulana Azad and Rafi Ahmad Qidwai and in support of Sheikh Abdullah’s stand. They should also declare in loud and clear words that Muslims should also be included in any talks regarding Kashmir problem and that no solution of Kashmir problems will be acceptable without inclusion of Indian Muslims and that the problem of Kashmir should be solved on the basis of united Indian nationhood.
Let us hope that the organizers, ulama and others participating in the Saharanpur seminar will issue statements in detail and impress upon their central leaders to leave aside their political and other differences and unanimously declare that Indian Muslims believe in ‘united Indian nationhood’ of their founding predecessors and that solution of Kashmir problem will not be acceptable at the cost of ‘United Indian nationhood’. (Translated from Urdu)
http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/01082002/01082002049.htm
Kashmir and Indian Muslims
By Anwar Ali
A seminar was organized in Saharanpur recently by the local branch of ‘Milli Talimi Trust’. The topic of the seminar was ‘Role of Ulama in the War of Independence’. Many good speeches were delivered and crusading spirit and high moral characters of ulama of the past were emphasized.
But an important question that arises is ‘Will the ulama of the present day, specially those invited for this seminar and other prominent ulama whose names were included in the invitation follow the examples of previous ulama?’
Among the ulama of the past, two are great generals of the war of independence viz Maulana Abul Kalam Azad and Maulana Husain Ahmad Madani. For the present and under the existing circumstances the two most important problems for the future of Muslims are Hindu-Muslim problem and Kashmir problem and for both these problems the thoughts and activities of these great ulama are very important.
Maulana Azad wrote in his paper Al-Hilal in 1912 and subsequently said in his presidential address in the Khilafat conference at Agra in 1921 about Hindu Muslim problem and ‘the problem of nationality.
‘Hindu-Muslim unity is essential for India’s deliverance or freedom and also for Muslims to give their best performance in India. This is my belief which I have already declared in 1912 in the first issue of Al-Hilal. It is the religious duty of Indian Muslims to forge the bond of love in all sincerity with Hindus of India and become one nation along with them. They should mix up with twenty-two crore Hindus of India in such a way as to become one nation of India. Muslims of India will give their best performance when they will become one with Hindus’. (Ref. Khutbat-e Khilafat, pp. 87-88 ‘Marsia’ Prof. Mahmood Ilahi, Publisher: Urdu Academy, Lucknow).
In this way the late Maulana Azad induced Muslims in order to adopt the political principle of ‘Indian United Nationality’. This political belief of his is as important even now as it was during the days of Khilafat movement.
Sheikhul Islam Maulana Husain Ahmad Madani has described in detail this principle of ‘United Nationality of India’ in his famous work ‘United Nationality and Islam’. The political theory presented by him in this book in brief is: ‘Nations are built with motherland not with religion. This is to say, the basis of nationality is motherland. The Indian peninsula, with the Himalayas in the north, Indian Ocean in the South, Bay of Bengal and Arakan hills in the east and surrounded by Arabian Sea in the west is a geographical national unit, and its inhabitants, Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs and Christians form one ‘United Indian nation’. This principle of united nationality or nationhood is the basis of Constitution of India and the soul of the principle of secularism.
Qaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah was formerly, during a major part of his political career, was a believer in this principle and took pride in calling himself a disciple of Gokhle. Later on (after 1934) he became a standard bearer and champion of separate nationality and two-nation theory. The hero of Sarojini Naidu and the ‘ambassador of Hindi-Muslim unity’ got the country partitioned. But in his first speech of 14 August 1947, which he delivered in the inaugural session of Pakistan’s Legislative Assembly. He abandoned the two-nation theory and openly presented the theory of United Pakistan Nationhood’. He presented a blueprint of a secular, democratic and progressive Pakistan where in all Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs and Christians will be free and independent Pakistani citizens.
In short, the basis of a bright future of India (including Pakistan and Bangladesh as well) is the theory of united nationhood. Same was the theory or concept of the crusading ulama of freedom as well.
The Muslim mind projected by Maulana Azad and Rafi Ahmad Qidwai about the Kashmir problem was the same concept of united nationhood. Having faith in the same concept Sheikh Mohammad Abdullah was a strong champion of Kashmir’s accession to India and he described the accession as final.
And now, voices are being raised that the Kashmir Valley should be declared an independent territory and the Kashmir problem should be solved in this way. The Sangh ‘Parivar’, which believes and is working for a ‘separate nation of Hindus’ in accordance with the political ideology of Hindu Mahasabha and Jan Sangh calls Muslims as ‘they’ and Hindus as ‘we’. If Kashmir is divided and this problem is proposed to be solved by declaring Jammu (Hindu), Laddakh (Buddhist) and Kashmir Valley (Muslim) as regional units, this solution will have an adverse effect on the future of Muslims of India. Ismat Jahangir, head of Pakistan’s Human Rights Commission, in an interview to The Times of India correspondent expressed the fear that such a solution may result in Hindu backlash and even the security forces will not be able to control their feelings of ‘Hindutva’.
It is now the need of the hour that the ulama associated with Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind following in the footsteps of their predecessors and other ulama associated with Milli Council, Muslim Personal Law Board, Imam Bokhari, Sayed Shahabuddin and other intellectuals and important personalities should come forward to lead the Muslims. They should take practical steps following those of Maulana Azad and Rafi Ahmad Qidwai and in support of Sheikh Abdullah’s stand. They should also declare in loud and clear words that Muslims should also be included in any talks regarding Kashmir problem and that no solution of Kashmir problems will be acceptable without inclusion of Indian Muslims and that the problem of Kashmir should be solved on the basis of united Indian nationhood.
Let us hope that the organizers, ulama and others participating in the Saharanpur seminar will issue statements in detail and impress upon their central leaders to leave aside their political and other differences and unanimously declare that Indian Muslims believe in ‘united Indian nationhood’ of their founding predecessors and that solution of Kashmir problem will not be acceptable at the cost of ‘United Indian nationhood’. (Translated from Urdu)
http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/01082002/01082002049.htm
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#42 Posted by temporal on September 24, 2003 6:26:59 am
echoboom
can you furnish your definition of (a)Islam and (b) Muslims please? --temporal
I can. I won`t.--echoboom
...i expected this...my god smiles...
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can you furnish your definition of (a)Islam and (b) Muslims please? --temporal
I can. I won`t.--echoboom
...i expected this...my god smiles...
...t
#41 Posted by dost_mittar on September 24, 2003 5:42:22 am
Romair:
[What I have stated is that Pakistanis take interest in things Indians, including Indian movies]
Pakistanis watch Indian movies not to take interest in India but for the same reason that Indians were watching PTV dramas not too long ago, which is that like the entertainment value provided in them.
[Indians perform in Pakistan quite a bit. Daler Mehndi, Sukhbir, Lucky Ali to name a few.]
A google search revealed thatt these are the only ones. Sukhbir is British Asian and Daler Mehndi did a charity show, I am not certain what the terms of Lucky Ali`s performance were. I do know it for a fact, from talking to one or two visiting Indian ghazal singers, that they would love to perform before Pakistani audiences but are not allowed by Pakistani govt. On the other hand it seems that whenever I am in India, there is more than one Pakistani artist there on a performance tour.
Pakistani artists recording in India whom I was referring to were doing so to sell their records in the Indian market only; I had always assumed that their records sold in Pakistan are manufactured in Pakistan. Are you telling me that this is not the case?
[Could you highlight the non-state actors, who would be a threat?]
Is this a trick question? I am sure you are aware of all those organizations starting with lashkar, jehad, etc. They may not sabotage Pakistani pipe lines, or even pipelines leading to India during normal times but India has to think of security situation during crises periods.
But I would agree that security is only one issue. The fact is that in the current situation of hostility, each side is unwilling to concede anything that will help the other, such as India giving Pakistan a billion dollar income bonanza of rental income on pipeline, or of Pakistan saving money by buying cheaper Indian drugs, tea or other products instead of paying more to more distant countries. The impact of such beggar-thy-neighbour policies on India is small but I suspect it may not be the same in the case of Pakistan.
On Kashmir, you haven`t said anything here that you did not in your hundreds of earlier posts. I too would like to see the Kashmir problem resolved, and that too without men getting out of planes from distant lands carrying roadmaps in their pockets to suit THEIR interests.
But frankly, I doubt your total sincerety in this respect. Otherwise you would be firing your cannons at Musharraf in every post. Nawaz Sharif and several interlocutors have repeatedly said that Vajpayee and Nawaz had agreed on both a roadmap and a time table for the resolution of the Kashmir problem at Lahore. It was your favourite army which suddenly saw the prospect of its halwa being removed from the table and torpedoed the whole process.
But the point Asma is making is not to make Indo-Pak relations a hostage to the Kashmir problem. I would go further and ask how long Pakistan will allow itself to remain hostage to its Kashmiri obsession? Why can`t Pakistan do what India has done wrt China and China has done wrt Taiwan, namely not let their `principled stands` with respect to the other country stand in the way of normal relations in mutually beneficial areas? This is where people-to-people contact comes in. Both parties come out winners and prepare favourable public opinion in the two countries to the point where give and take can take place on more contentious issues.
[What I have stated is that Pakistanis take interest in things Indians, including Indian movies]
Pakistanis watch Indian movies not to take interest in India but for the same reason that Indians were watching PTV dramas not too long ago, which is that like the entertainment value provided in them.
[Indians perform in Pakistan quite a bit. Daler Mehndi, Sukhbir, Lucky Ali to name a few.]
A google search revealed thatt these are the only ones. Sukhbir is British Asian and Daler Mehndi did a charity show, I am not certain what the terms of Lucky Ali`s performance were. I do know it for a fact, from talking to one or two visiting Indian ghazal singers, that they would love to perform before Pakistani audiences but are not allowed by Pakistani govt. On the other hand it seems that whenever I am in India, there is more than one Pakistani artist there on a performance tour.
Pakistani artists recording in India whom I was referring to were doing so to sell their records in the Indian market only; I had always assumed that their records sold in Pakistan are manufactured in Pakistan. Are you telling me that this is not the case?
[Could you highlight the non-state actors, who would be a threat?]
Is this a trick question? I am sure you are aware of all those organizations starting with lashkar, jehad, etc. They may not sabotage Pakistani pipe lines, or even pipelines leading to India during normal times but India has to think of security situation during crises periods.
But I would agree that security is only one issue. The fact is that in the current situation of hostility, each side is unwilling to concede anything that will help the other, such as India giving Pakistan a billion dollar income bonanza of rental income on pipeline, or of Pakistan saving money by buying cheaper Indian drugs, tea or other products instead of paying more to more distant countries. The impact of such beggar-thy-neighbour policies on India is small but I suspect it may not be the same in the case of Pakistan.
On Kashmir, you haven`t said anything here that you did not in your hundreds of earlier posts. I too would like to see the Kashmir problem resolved, and that too without men getting out of planes from distant lands carrying roadmaps in their pockets to suit THEIR interests.
But frankly, I doubt your total sincerety in this respect. Otherwise you would be firing your cannons at Musharraf in every post. Nawaz Sharif and several interlocutors have repeatedly said that Vajpayee and Nawaz had agreed on both a roadmap and a time table for the resolution of the Kashmir problem at Lahore. It was your favourite army which suddenly saw the prospect of its halwa being removed from the table and torpedoed the whole process.
But the point Asma is making is not to make Indo-Pak relations a hostage to the Kashmir problem. I would go further and ask how long Pakistan will allow itself to remain hostage to its Kashmiri obsession? Why can`t Pakistan do what India has done wrt China and China has done wrt Taiwan, namely not let their `principled stands` with respect to the other country stand in the way of normal relations in mutually beneficial areas? This is where people-to-people contact comes in. Both parties come out winners and prepare favourable public opinion in the two countries to the point where give and take can take place on more contentious issues.
#40 Posted by Saminasha on September 24, 2003 5:29:42 am
Anniqua,
Welcome to Chowk! And thank you for a timely interview. As usual, its always good to hear the sanity of a thinking woman`s ideas. Esp. in these times.
Welcome to Chowk! And thank you for a timely interview. As usual, its always good to hear the sanity of a thinking woman`s ideas. Esp. in these times.
#39 Posted by sigalph235 on September 23, 2003 10:25:03 pm
Re Air Vice MArshal
``A lady whose views I have been following quite closely is Dr. Riffat Hassan.``
I see her columns in DAWN and elsewhere. I`m not surprised you like her. She is the sanitized, politically-socially more acceptable mirage of Asma Jehangir.
What makes Ms. Jehangir so singularly great is that in spite of everything she has chosen to fight the fight in the thick of battle-in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. A woman who can look blood-thristy tyrants like Zia and GIK in the face and not blink and then take wannabe democrats to task: the woman ought to get a Nobel Prize. THere is simply no comparison. This is a woman whose record tells most men in Pakistani politics (who have titles like `Sher` and `Badshah` and `Mard`) to `chullu bhar pani mein dub maro`
Riffat Hassan is a first scholar and a very concerned extatriate. She is no Asma Jehangir.
``A lady whose views I have been following quite closely is Dr. Riffat Hassan.``
I see her columns in DAWN and elsewhere. I`m not surprised you like her. She is the sanitized, politically-socially more acceptable mirage of Asma Jehangir.
What makes Ms. Jehangir so singularly great is that in spite of everything she has chosen to fight the fight in the thick of battle-in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. A woman who can look blood-thristy tyrants like Zia and GIK in the face and not blink and then take wannabe democrats to task: the woman ought to get a Nobel Prize. THere is simply no comparison. This is a woman whose record tells most men in Pakistani politics (who have titles like `Sher` and `Badshah` and `Mard`) to `chullu bhar pani mein dub maro`
Riffat Hassan is a first scholar and a very concerned extatriate. She is no Asma Jehangir.
#38 Posted by SameerJB on September 23, 2003 9:27:27 pm
Some three years ago, we had a discussion with late Bilal Ahmed about 10 most distinguished Pakistanis. Asma Jahangir and Sattar Edhis` names was most frequent in the lists by various interactors including mine. I still believe she is one of the top 10 most distinguished Pakistanis alive.
A careful reading of the interview reveals why she is near the top. Her work has not cause any lives lost, any property damage, any disturbances, or anything bad. I must congratualte the interviewer too for asking some of the best question there could be asked.
Derailing Lahore peace initiative followed by Kargil leading to overthrowing civilian government in Pakistan by the bitch are three stages of the one game plan with the planners making the most out of it and, in fact, making BJP look like more peace loving than him and his coaterie.
A careful reading of the interview reveals why she is near the top. Her work has not cause any lives lost, any property damage, any disturbances, or anything bad. I must congratualte the interviewer too for asking some of the best question there could be asked.
Derailing Lahore peace initiative followed by Kargil leading to overthrowing civilian government in Pakistan by the bitch are three stages of the one game plan with the planners making the most out of it and, in fact, making BJP look like more peace loving than him and his coaterie.
#37 Posted by Zeena on September 23, 2003 8:49:12 pm
Dear Anniqua Rana
Thanks for an impressive interview with Asma Jahangir.I loved one line by her``,Loyalty is not a birthright of any country.Loyalty comes from a country that will protect your citizens``.
This is the essence of my whole ideology.Country will be prosperous who`ll respect it`s citizens basic right of freedom,protection & prosperity.Unfortunately both India & Pakistan care less for the basic human right of average citizen.Instead focus more on strengthening their armies at the stake of their citizen`s prosperity.Now,Citizens of both countries are extremely insecured just b/c of their negative geographical ,regional & national politics.
Asma Jahangir is a well known Human right Activist.I am surprised ,in her interview she mentioned almost everything on co-lateral bases,except for a really burning issue regarding (humanity) Kashmir.In my point of view she should have mentioned this issue clearly with her own point of view.
I have a question for Asma Jahangir?? Why you did not clearly state your view on Kashmir?
I wish she could read this & reply here on this forum.
For years both countries have been fighting for this ,the most significant issue of unstable subcontinent & unfortunately
up till now both have come up with a net result of big(0).
So,that was then & this is now.........Now,at this point & time I`ll say loudly that both Pakistan & India are complete failures on this ,the most important issue of sub-continent which is affecting directly the poor populations of both rivals & destroying poor Kashmiris ,the most.In this process what I see clearly is Kashmiris are the ones who have been suffering the most at the hands of India.
At,the end my conclusion is let Kashmiris decide what is best for them.Three choices#1: To have an independent Kashmir with the addition of Pakistan`s Azad Kashmir.#2:-To be part of Pakistan.#3:To be part of India.
Why,oh,why India,being the secular country denying the basic right of Kashmiris to cast vote independently with out any pressure or negative politics?Why India is afraid to hold free elections in Kashmir as a referendum to see what poor ,deprived Kashmiris want?A big Why?Why India is snatching Kashmiris right to be free or feel free?Why India is enslaving suppressed Kashmiris?Why this dictatorship?Why this massacre of Kashmiris daily at the hands of India?Why,oh,why?
In my point of view this is the only & prime solution to peace process in the region.
Independent Kashmir is a new global reality,the only solution & self determination to bleeding Kashmir at the cruel hands of India.Why India is denying Muslims of their political,religious & human rights?Why,oh,Why?
India clearly is showing constant discrimination against already oppressed
Muslims since 1947.India is persistently harrassing Kashmiris by well planned genocide of the Kashmiris,destruction of the Muslims holy shrines,torture,intimidation & humiliation of Muslims at each & every level nation wide.Kashmiris life & liberty is at stake by being part of india.Kashmiris are being deprived of Kashmiris Values by india.
Conclusion:-Kashmiris have every right to declare their basic right of freedom
by having an independent state .........Independent Kashmir
India should give up on Kashmir now & should realise the need of Kashmir is imminent & should accept the very importance of nothing ,but,.......Independent Kashmir.
India now,clearly wants to divert the attention of UNO in a totally negative game play propaganda to make every one believe that Kashmiris are Terrorists.India is taking the advantage of American labelling game of terrorists.What else can be expected from so,called secular India?India is now,playing fierce,drastic,& dirty drama of labelling innocent Kashimirs as terrorists.India is worst than Nazis .India`s clear intentions are to make Kashmir a big cemetry for alive & to be murdered Kashmiris.God(Al-Mighty) knows how many more Kashmiris will be murdered?How many more women will be raped?How many more Kashmiris houses will be set on fire?How many more Kshmiris children will be massacerd in the name of terrorism?How many more old age Kashmiris will be crippled ?When India will stop this blood shed & have mercy on poor Kashmiris by giving them basic right of freedom?When,oh,when?
I hope Asma Jahangir will have time to answer this question of mine.Thanks
Thanks for an impressive interview with Asma Jahangir.I loved one line by her``,Loyalty is not a birthright of any country.Loyalty comes from a country that will protect your citizens``.
This is the essence of my whole ideology.Country will be prosperous who`ll respect it`s citizens basic right of freedom,protection & prosperity.Unfortunately both India & Pakistan care less for the basic human right of average citizen.Instead focus more on strengthening their armies at the stake of their citizen`s prosperity.Now,Citizens of both countries are extremely insecured just b/c of their negative geographical ,regional & national politics.
Asma Jahangir is a well known Human right Activist.I am surprised ,in her interview she mentioned almost everything on co-lateral bases,except for a really burning issue regarding (humanity) Kashmir.In my point of view she should have mentioned this issue clearly with her own point of view.
I have a question for Asma Jahangir?? Why you did not clearly state your view on Kashmir?
I wish she could read this & reply here on this forum.
For years both countries have been fighting for this ,the most significant issue of unstable subcontinent & unfortunately
up till now both have come up with a net result of big(0).
So,that was then & this is now.........Now,at this point & time I`ll say loudly that both Pakistan & India are complete failures on this ,the most important issue of sub-continent which is affecting directly the poor populations of both rivals & destroying poor Kashmiris ,the most.In this process what I see clearly is Kashmiris are the ones who have been suffering the most at the hands of India.
At,the end my conclusion is let Kashmiris decide what is best for them.Three choices#1: To have an independent Kashmir with the addition of Pakistan`s Azad Kashmir.#2:-To be part of Pakistan.#3:To be part of India.
Why,oh,why India,being the secular country denying the basic right of Kashmiris to cast vote independently with out any pressure or negative politics?Why India is afraid to hold free elections in Kashmir as a referendum to see what poor ,deprived Kashmiris want?A big Why?Why India is snatching Kashmiris right to be free or feel free?Why India is enslaving suppressed Kashmiris?Why this dictatorship?Why this massacre of Kashmiris daily at the hands of India?Why,oh,why?
In my point of view this is the only & prime solution to peace process in the region.
Independent Kashmir is a new global reality,the only solution & self determination to bleeding Kashmir at the cruel hands of India.Why India is denying Muslims of their political,religious & human rights?Why,oh,Why?
India clearly is showing constant discrimination against already oppressed
Muslims since 1947.India is persistently harrassing Kashmiris by well planned genocide of the Kashmiris,destruction of the Muslims holy shrines,torture,intimidation & humiliation of Muslims at each & every level nation wide.Kashmiris life & liberty is at stake by being part of india.Kashmiris are being deprived of Kashmiris Values by india.
Conclusion:-Kashmiris have every right to declare their basic right of freedom
by having an independent state .........Independent Kashmir
India should give up on Kashmir now & should realise the need of Kashmir is imminent & should accept the very importance of nothing ,but,.......Independent Kashmir.
India now,clearly wants to divert the attention of UNO in a totally negative game play propaganda to make every one believe that Kashmiris are Terrorists.India is taking the advantage of American labelling game of terrorists.What else can be expected from so,called secular India?India is now,playing fierce,drastic,& dirty drama of labelling innocent Kashimirs as terrorists.India is worst than Nazis .India`s clear intentions are to make Kashmir a big cemetry for alive & to be murdered Kashmiris.God(Al-Mighty) knows how many more Kashmiris will be murdered?How many more women will be raped?How many more Kashmiris houses will be set on fire?How many more Kshmiris children will be massacerd in the name of terrorism?How many more old age Kashmiris will be crippled ?When India will stop this blood shed & have mercy on poor Kashmiris by giving them basic right of freedom?When,oh,when?
I hope Asma Jahangir will have time to answer this question of mine.Thanks
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