Anniqua Rana September 23, 2003
#20 Posted by HisExcellency on September 23, 2003 4:52:16 pm
#14 by arjun_m
India is not doing Pakistan a favor by granting MFN status. The move is actually designed to increase market access for Indian industry which enjoys cheaper labor costs, economies of scale and a favorable exchange rate.
If India wanted to ``move ahead`` despite Kashmir, it would have no qualms in playing cricket in Pakistan. Moreover, Pakistan has already agreed to let Iran-India gas pipeline pass through Pakistani territory. It is India that has refused this proposal.
Clearly, India is only granting those ``favors`` to Pakistan that generate revenue for India but refusing those that generate revenue for Pakistan. Such selfish ``favors`` only suggest that India is as guilty of mixing politics with sports/culture/trade as Pakistan.
India is not doing Pakistan a favor by granting MFN status. The move is actually designed to increase market access for Indian industry which enjoys cheaper labor costs, economies of scale and a favorable exchange rate.
If India wanted to ``move ahead`` despite Kashmir, it would have no qualms in playing cricket in Pakistan. Moreover, Pakistan has already agreed to let Iran-India gas pipeline pass through Pakistani territory. It is India that has refused this proposal.
Clearly, India is only granting those ``favors`` to Pakistan that generate revenue for India but refusing those that generate revenue for Pakistan. Such selfish ``favors`` only suggest that India is as guilty of mixing politics with sports/culture/trade as Pakistan.
#19 Posted by Pardaisi on September 23, 2003 4:52:16 pm
#4 Indian
Did you mean to say eunuchs ? I hope you did not graduated from IIT.
and for rest of chowkies, did JAY finally commited suicide or something. I have not seen him interact in a while.
Later
Did you mean to say eunuchs ? I hope you did not graduated from IIT.
and for rest of chowkies, did JAY finally commited suicide or something. I have not seen him interact in a while.
Later
#18 Posted by ironman on September 23, 2003 4:52:16 pm
``My own children on a visit to India have been shocked to learn that many of my friends are Hindus, and they can’t reconcile to it for a while because of the learning they have done here.``
So, it appears that the hon`ble Jay was right all along.
There IS a K-for-Kafir education after all, in the land of the pure.
#16 Posted by temporal on September 23, 2003 3:20:44 pm
ps:
should have emphasized your definition...please spare us links or cut n paste jobs
should have emphasized your definition...please spare us links or cut n paste jobs
#15 Posted by temporal on September 23, 2003 2:42:49 pm
echoboom
What culture? what education--and oh this PERCH, meaning how to sobotage islam? Muslims know such kind well….
…can you furnish your definition of (a)Islam and (b) Muslims please?
...t
What culture? what education--and oh this PERCH, meaning how to sobotage islam? Muslims know such kind well….
…can you furnish your definition of (a)Islam and (b) Muslims please?
...t
#14 Posted by arjun_m on September 23, 2003 2:24:54 pm
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#13 Posted by echoboom on September 23, 2003 2:12:39 pm
8:temporal, the god-abBa of Chowk.
from her perch culture and education are perhaps important for opening doors.
What culture? what education--and oh this PERCH, meaning how to sobotage islam? Muslims know such kind well. Muslims know how to counter them, the moment such kind abandon between-the-lines.
Islamic culture and Islamic education is on the rise. It is surging, it is growing exponetialy--EVERYWHERE. Even in post-commie land, where Islam was supposedly strangulated by atheist commies. And now the most recent convert is a former ARCHBISHOP. Do google, and find out the brand-new blue mosque next to kremlin. Even in main-land Russia it is flourishing-- thanks to the demise of Communism, atheism, and socialism.
(Young muslims in Pakistan and India also read this, most of it is for their pride & joy)
from her perch culture and education are perhaps important for opening doors.
What culture? what education--and oh this PERCH, meaning how to sobotage islam? Muslims know such kind well. Muslims know how to counter them, the moment such kind abandon between-the-lines.
Islamic culture and Islamic education is on the rise. It is surging, it is growing exponetialy--EVERYWHERE. Even in post-commie land, where Islam was supposedly strangulated by atheist commies. And now the most recent convert is a former ARCHBISHOP. Do google, and find out the brand-new blue mosque next to kremlin. Even in main-land Russia it is flourishing-- thanks to the demise of Communism, atheism, and socialism.
(Young muslims in Pakistan and India also read this, most of it is for their pride & joy)
#12 Posted by razzz on September 23, 2003 1:21:17 pm
Its sad to see that asma jehangir thinks what happenes in gujrat was only bad cause it gives strength to anti secular forces in pakistan.....so much for her care about the HUMANS which got killed over there.
yeh and this supposedly amazing person is willing to promote any cause for a million bucks like she did in okara farms case......so if anyone wants to capture some government land and have her promote his/her cause then they can contact asma jehangir ````````the supposedly brillian human rights champion plus anti establishment....anti army....anti islam....and anti pakistan campaigner JUST FOR the heck of it```````` who is as hypocritical as they come.......
cheers
#11 Posted by Ralph on September 23, 2003 12:41:11 pm
An honest person like her can do a lot for India Pakistan relationship. Just knowing that there are some people like her in Pakistan is a matter of hope.
#10 Posted by stuka on September 23, 2003 12:33:15 pm
Ally:
``I am so shocked that the Mullahs washed minar-i-pakistan after Vajpayee came to Lahore... thats so petty and just shows there mindset... i wonder if they would think of cleaning minar-i-pakistan in normal times??? ``
You did not know this? This recieved maximum publicity in India and poor old man Vajpayee became a laughing stock of the Indian right. They ofcourse loved for it to happen because it reinforced existing perceptions.
``I am so shocked that the Mullahs washed minar-i-pakistan after Vajpayee came to Lahore... thats so petty and just shows there mindset... i wonder if they would think of cleaning minar-i-pakistan in normal times??? ``
You did not know this? This recieved maximum publicity in India and poor old man Vajpayee became a laughing stock of the Indian right. They ofcourse loved for it to happen because it reinforced existing perceptions.
#9 Posted by MantoLives on September 23, 2003 12:24:33 pm
Asma Jehangir is a charismatic personality. I was at the Tariq Ali lecture and all of sudden there she was... I froze... got up, and offered her my seat.
She is one of those amazing people who deserve all our support...
``Loyalty comes from a country that will protect your citizens``
Precisely!!! This was the basic message of my letters that were published in Friday Times and Daily Times today.
-YLH
#8 Posted by temporal on September 23, 2003 12:13:55 pm
First a welcome Anniqua:
Asma is indeed more than a match to the forces of jahiliya inside Pakistan represented by a loose amalgamation of pseudo mullahs and their delusional and hatemongering allies here on chowk…
(digression: abdul sattar edhi…the men who will never get west’s recognition is an exception…he is not a pseudo or real mullah…he is a true muslim…one who does not wear his religion on his forehead and more importantly one who helps alleviate misery…however one may spell it…)
…from her perch culture and education are perhaps important for opening doors…I tend to think that the existing un-official and under the table trade links between the two countries should also be formalized and opened up…
…the past fifty years of manufactured hostility and enmity in years to come will give in to normality…I hope
…but first thing first…the enemy has to be tackled: the removal of the occupying army from the equations
lve,
t
Asma is indeed more than a match to the forces of jahiliya inside Pakistan represented by a loose amalgamation of pseudo mullahs and their delusional and hatemongering allies here on chowk…
(digression: abdul sattar edhi…the men who will never get west’s recognition is an exception…he is not a pseudo or real mullah…he is a true muslim…one who does not wear his religion on his forehead and more importantly one who helps alleviate misery…however one may spell it…)
…from her perch culture and education are perhaps important for opening doors…I tend to think that the existing un-official and under the table trade links between the two countries should also be formalized and opened up…
…the past fifty years of manufactured hostility and enmity in years to come will give in to normality…I hope
…but first thing first…the enemy has to be tackled: the removal of the occupying army from the equations
lve,
t
#7 Posted by mumbaikar on September 23, 2003 12:03:20 pm
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#6 Posted by Indian on September 23, 2003 11:36:33 am
There is only one MAN in Pakistan politics. Her name is Asma Jahangir . All other are enuchs.
#5 Posted by Ally on September 23, 2003 11:36:33 am
Nice interview, its good to know that there are some people in Pakistan like Asma J.
I am so shocked that the Mullahs washed minar-i-pakistan after Vajpayee came to Lahore... thats so petty and just shows there mindset... i wonder if they would think of cleaning minar-i-pakistan in normal times???
i so agree with her that we cant just have kashmir, kashmir, kashmir... we have to know each other before anything will happen with kashmir, it miffs me off when our (Pak) govt talks about resolving kashmir issue before anything can happen with India, its just so stupid, and counter productive.
i personally think its very important for us to educate Indian ppl on Pakistan, in Pakistan we are so much more aware of India and its culture, through TV and films, but i doubt the average Indian knows much about Pakistan other than what s/he is fed by media...
the least the govt`s can do is to abolish visa restrictions and allow ppl to visit each other for up to a month or so at a time, or at least make getting a visa very easy and a non issue...
I am so shocked that the Mullahs washed minar-i-pakistan after Vajpayee came to Lahore... thats so petty and just shows there mindset... i wonder if they would think of cleaning minar-i-pakistan in normal times???
i so agree with her that we cant just have kashmir, kashmir, kashmir... we have to know each other before anything will happen with kashmir, it miffs me off when our (Pak) govt talks about resolving kashmir issue before anything can happen with India, its just so stupid, and counter productive.
i personally think its very important for us to educate Indian ppl on Pakistan, in Pakistan we are so much more aware of India and its culture, through TV and films, but i doubt the average Indian knows much about Pakistan other than what s/he is fed by media...
the least the govt`s can do is to abolish visa restrictions and allow ppl to visit each other for up to a month or so at a time, or at least make getting a visa very easy and a non issue...
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