Of Rites and Rights: An Interview with Asma Jahangir

Why the Kashmir question is being forced upon Indian Muslims by Pakistani elites?

The elites of Pakistan suffer from a sense of rootless-ness and their conscience constantly raises the doubt about whether they made the right choice of migrating to their make believe ``Pure-Land`` or not. They are flabbergasted when they find indian Muslims staying without the horrors and miseries that were evoked by the Muslim League leaders in 1947 when they were forced to choose the two nation theory.
2. Now after 50 years, the Pakistani elites are the worst enemies of Indian Muslims because they want to see the Indian Muslims living in misery in the land of hindu kafirs(as they are made to believe in their text books)because their very healthy existence is a dis-proof/a refutation of the very foundation of two nation theory(i.e. the Hindus and Muslims cannot live together). The smiling Indian Muslim is an affront to their existence as a member of their fabled Pure-Land..... So he wants to see their smile turned into miseries.
3.These Pakistani elites (army is one of these elite groups)whose legitimacy is at stake train the terrorists so as to incite the communal passions and competitive communalist politics would create further divisions, alienation in the minds of the Indian Muslims.
4. Pakistanis hate India because they hate their origins, just as an illegitimate child hates his parents.(Can Pakistani Muslims call India as their homeland??)
The only solution is that the Indian Muslims should repudiate the choice made by their elders in 1947 to live in the secular India and tell the paki muslims to ``buzz off`` and continue living in their purest-lands for eternity.

hey arjun_m:

we might be poor as church mice but we are still dill waley. in comparison, you have been displaying your sickness on chowk for years and yet how many of your countrymen have offered to help you out?

http://www-usa.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2003/SEP/255886_PAK_14SEP2003.html

In a heartwarming move, Pakistan`s cricketers have decided to donate a percentage of their earnings to a fund for former Pakistan players. Speaking to Reuters, Inzamam-ul-Haq, Pakistan`s captain, said, ``We have decided that every player in the team will donate five percent of his earnings from every match for a former player.``

arjun_m

your views seem as worthless and useless as arjun tank used by the indian army. ;-)

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#tahmed32 (specifically) and few others

Asma Jahangir. GOD

I may or may not agree. But must bow down. No choice.

Could you please export this gem to us Horrible Hindians (Chowk terminology as I learnt). I will be more than happy to send something back. Let us negotiate:)

Yogiraj Patil

#48 by ballukhan

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The elites of Pakistan suffer from a sense of rootless-ness and their conscience constantly raises the doubt about whether they made the right choice of migrating to their make believe ``Pure-Land`` or not.
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This is an incorrect impression created by the extremist Indian media and politicians. The people who migrated from East Punjab to Pakistan suffered such unspeakable atrocities at the hands of Sikhs and Hindus, that they have no desire of going back. Within one generation, these immigrants from Jullundhar, Amristar, Ludhiana and Chandigarh established themselves as businessmen in Faisalabad, Sialkot, Gujranwala and Multan.

Similarly, the Urdu-speaking immigrants from UP/Bihar are now part of the Pakistani power structure. They could never form a government of their own in UP/Bihar. In Pakistan, however they are in full control of Sindh province where they control Police, municipal authorities, revenue boards and almost every provincial ministry.

Rootlessness may have been a problem for first-generation migrants. They had to leave their homes and relatives in India for another land 56 years ago. But second-generation migrants (i.e. Urdu-speaking people in their mid-30s or younger) have no emotional ties with India. Their roots lie very much in Karachi and Hyderabad where they were born and educated. These people are now ``sons of the Pakistani soil``, just like the Sindhis, Baluchis, Pashtuns and Punjabis.

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Now after 50 years, the Pakistani elites are the worst enemies of Indian Muslims because they want to see the Indian Muslims living in misery in the land of hindu kafirs
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To the contrary, Pakistan is highlighting the atrocities commited against Indian Muslims (especially in Kashmir and Gujrat) by Hindu fanatics. The BJP government is trying its best to cover up the role played by Modi in Gujrat, whereas Pakistani govt is asking the entire world to take notice.

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The only solution is that the Indian Muslims should repudiate the choice made by their elders in 1947 to live in the secular India and tell the paki muslims to ``buzz off`` and continue living in their purest-lands for eternity.
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That`s a confusing statement. Are you saying that Indian Muslims should stay in secular India?? Or should they repudiate the decision to stay in secular India??

hey arjun_m:

l still would rather get deported then deal with that small problem at home. how about you? which one do you prefer? btw could you also please speed up the process. you have been threatening to get me deported for the last two years and i wanting to save on the airfare have not gone home in that time. and you dont make idle threats do you?

#46 by arjun_m

Having failed to use military leverage against Pakistan, India is now embarking on a new strategy: offer economic sops to Pakistan (trade, cricket, pipeline) instead of making a political compromise (J&K).

Will Pakistan compromise its political stance on Kashmir for the sake of economic sops??
This pretty much depends on how much India can squeeze Pakistan`s economy. Or put it another way, how much India can benefit Pakistan`s economy. Under present circumstances, India is not in a position to do either. For this reason, the Indian leadership is simply buying time until India is in a position to significantly impact Pakistan`s economy.

Whether this assumption is realistic, only time will tell. But one thing is for sure. Vajpayee`s offer of peace is not borne out of sincerity or any desire for peace. Political compromises are hard especially for fundamentalist parties like BJP.

#56 by HisExcellency
//..the Indian leadership is simply buying time until India is in a position to significantly impact Pakistan`s economy...//

You are right - I think this is one part of the overall strategy to neutralize the junta next door. As you said - only time will tell if it succeeds.

As for the peace offer - as usual - you pakis are misreading the whole thing. I am baffled why you guys are so delusional - is there something in the freaking water over there!! I mean - as soon as somebody in India says ``Peace offer`` - pakis jump up and down like baboons smelling a ``political compromise`` on a golden platter. (They convince themselves with all kinds of grand theories like how the brave ``freedom fighters`` are bleeding India white and hindus have been brought ot their knees)

But the facts are exactly the opposite. There would never be any ``compromise``, political or otherwise, from India at any time. It is simple - what you guys cannot win in all those half-a$$ wars you fought(and lost), you cannot win it thru a ``Peace offer``!!

So when Vajpayee says ``peace`` - all he is saying is - live and let live. I want nothing from you and you get nothing from me. You are a little ugly dwarf anyway - you have no money, no friends(not anymore), no economic strength or prospects, no political strength. So why the fk do you keep frothing at mouth - like a drug-addicted looser - chanting ``give me kashmir`` ? Let me help you - here is the face saver - a ``Peace offer`` - the best exit strategy for you to break ``kashmir-runs-in-blood`` addiction. Take it or leave it.

But Of course, pakis don`t get it. So they wait and they wait - nothing falls into their collective laps. Like frustrated baboons - then they start their usual breast-beating - India is not ``Sincere`` , Vajpayee has no ``desire`` for peace!!

yogiraj #53 She is indeed a remarkable person. As with many other good things in life, I think she can belong to all of us - Pakistani or Indian.

Just like Gandhi has inspired the world with his concept of nonviolence (which I think is probably the single most important concept for mankind if we are to survive this century, given the massive capacity for destruction that we now possess). The more (people sharing the same sensible set of values like nonviolence, or like justice for the weak as Asma Jehangir seeks with her actions) the better the world will be for future generations of pakistanis and indians.

HE #56 Is Kashmir (or any piece of land) worth one single life?

Think of it this way:

a. Think of that one single life as your own life.
b. If a Kashmiri really cant stand to be part of India, he can migrate to Pakistan.
c. Even if Kashmir became a part of Pakistan, would the average Kashmiri have any more political freedom? or religious freedom (remember that in Pakistan his chances of getting shot while praying in a mosque would be much more than in India)? or economic freedom?
c. There are far more Indian muslims in India than Kashmir alone. Indeed, if you care for the rights of Indian muslims, why not think of Gujrati muslims who are under threat from Modi`s hindutva government, while that is not the case in kashmir.

Keep thinking along these lines, and you will come increasingly to realize that the Kashmir dispute is like a land feud. Where the feud goes on for generations, results in people getting killed, impoverishes the feuding parties, and promotes the interests of only those who benefit from hostilities (the military boys, which is certainly very true for pakistan, as well as the religious extremists).

I doubt if you will change your thinking on the basis of this one post. But what the hell...

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#44 by arjun_m

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Indias economy is growing by leaps and bounds while pakiland only appears in the news when the news is about terrorism.
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That`s because you are reading the wrong newspapers and talking to the wrong people.

Over the last year, BBC has praised Pakistan`s economy on several occasions for its resurgence in the face of Indian mobilisation, War on Terror in neighboring Afghanistan and cancellation of several export orders in 2002. Still, Pakistan registered an increase in exports, foreign reserves, federal revenues and the world`s best performing stock market.

Pakistani economy does NOT need Indians to vouch for it. The people who really matter to Pakistan are Saudi investors, Pakistani expatriates, Pakistani private sector, American investors, etc. The first 2 groups are already pouring their offshore dollars into Pakistan, especially the real estate markets of Lahore and Karachi. The last 2 groups are simply waiting for the geopolitical situation and anti-corruption drive in Pakistan to come to a closure.

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The civilized world thinks Pakiland supports terrorism?
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Here is another one of your arjunisms... HEHE

Incidentally, the leader of the civilized world conspicuously omitted India from his list of terror victims during UNGA speech:

``Twenty-four months ago and yesterday in the memory of America, the center of New York City became a battlefield and a graveyard and the symbol of an unfinished war. Since that day, terrorists have struck in Bali, in Mombasa, in Casablanca, in Riyadh, in Jakarta, in Jerusalem, measuring the advance of their cause in the chaos and innocent suffering they leave behind. ``

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/09/23/sprj.irq.bush.transcript/

And you thought India could take the world for a ride by presenting Kashmir movement as terrorism?? Well, the joke is on you :))

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#56 HisArrogance

prattles on:

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Vajpayee`s offer of peace is not borne out of sincerity or any desire for peace.
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So what??? Your juvenile ramblings clearly demonstrate your ignorance of how mature nations work. When the USA reached out to China, was it based out of ``sincerity``? When the Indians went to China and made deals was that based out of ``desire for peace``?

Intelligent nations with positive goals attempt to move forward with their neigbors. They try to creat a ``win-win`` situation. China claims all of Taiwan and yet today has $10B trade with it !!! But some nations lack any positive goals, they are the ``NOT`` nations. Enmeshed in their negativity they can never be anything except spoilers and rent-seekers.

This silly and immature talk about ``lack of sincerity`` and other emotional drivel exemplifies the pakistani elites complete lack of understanding of how progress is made in national relations.

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