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NHK#90
[Pakistan`s possession of nuclear weapons, ironically, is another source that adds to its insecurity. ]

Well said!
Pakistan committed a blunder in reciprocating India`s nuclear explosion in 1998. Clinton was making frantic calls to Nawaz Sharief and was willing to practically sign a blank check to Pakistan in return for not reciprocating India`s act. If Pakistan had agreed to Clinton,
-all debts would have been forgiven and more aid given
-F-16s and other goodies were there for the asking
-might have extended a nuclear umbrella to Pakistan
-US would have taken a pro-Pak stance in its dealing with India and Kashmir in particular
-India would have become a pariah state
-anytime the US didn`t listen to Pakistan, it could have threatened to go nuclear
-India had claimed that it would not be the first to use a nuclear weapon. In any case, Pakistan already had a bomb and everyone, including India, knew it. So, the explosion did not provide any additional safety.
The overt nuclear status has indeed made Pakistan more vulnerable. The US think tanks are now full of various scenarios about how Pakistan`s nuclear assets would be neutralised under various situations.
And Indians have refused to accept Pakistan`s bomb as a deterrent, so that value is lost too. As you are well aware, India was quite ready to expand the Kargil operations into a full fledged war which made Nawaz nervous and run from Beijing to White House.
The crown jewels have truly turned into a huge liability!
....But I also realise that given the national frenzy in Pakistan following the India becoming a nuclear weapon status, Nawaz probably did not have much room to manouevre.

Ahmadzai: Whereas your thinking is not malicious, it is not nuanced either. You are the sort I would love to have as a friend or an ememy, straight shooter and not a kameena. But the world is not as black and white as you think.

If you ever get to travel to the states, it would be good to chat with you.

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...while pakistan competes for the terrorism market, india tries to compete in another direction...

http://in.rediff.com/money/2003/oct/02funds.htm

Global funds rate India well above China

Research shows that global fund managers rate India above China and are shovelling funds into the Indian stock markets, said Channel News Asia on Thursday, quoting a report by Credit Lyonnais Securities Asia, a global investment banker.

India`s impressive growth efforts and low valuations in its equities markets make it the ideal choice for fund managers. Strong economic indicators, robust corporate results, good widespread rains, easier norms and booming agriculture and manufacturing sectors add to India`s attractiveness.

Even Morgan Stanley is reportedly pulling funds out of the Chinese and focusing on the Indian markets.

Foreign capital is seemingly flooding the Indian capital markets, and this has been evidenced by the spurt in the Sensex that has sprinted from 2828 points in October 2002 to 4455 points on October 1, 2003.

Rsridhar:

``Read the statements coming out of U.K lately? ``

You must recall that before Iraq war the statements coming out of UK were full of Saddam`s WMD and what have you.

Another person has mentioned that Karzai stated that Pakistan is aiding terrorist.

Recall that Karzai also supported Blair on Iraq war in the same speech.

Talibans have claimed that they are now in control of 5 districts of Afghanistan. Ask Karzai to bomb them out of the face of earth. Why blame Pakistan?

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Ironman at # 85:

You are a living example of majority of Indians in the negative IQ levels.

Pakistan has arrested 3 Malaysians in Karachi on charges of terrorism. Another Malaysian Dr. Mahatir has asked President Musharraf to take the leadership role of the Muslims. Is Dr. Mahatir also a terrorist, because he is Malaysian.

Hindus killed Muslims in Gujrat. A Hindu on Chowk (dost-mittar) usually criticises his Government on persecution of minorities in India. Why is Dost-Mittar sympathetic for Muslims when he is killing them in Gujrat?

Are you getting the point?

OK Let us be simple. Jihadis and terrorists are two different things. Unfortunately, Indians have begun to use the same term for both. A Jihadi in Kashmir would be a freedom fighter who will take on the military alone. A terrorist will take on the innocents. Whereas Pakistanis would be pro-Jihadis (non-terrorists), we are no longer supporting Jihad anywhere. It is therefore, the terrorists who may continuing to be entering India on their own. However, more importantly, there may be freedom fighters from within IOK who are acting on their own. Pakistanis would never call them terrorists.

In order to wage Jihad, the call should come from the State, not from individuals or cult groups.

Only as an example: Indians calling Jihadis as terrorists appear to us (Pakistanis) as we calling Mahatima Gandhi as Bal Thakray.

Romair # 68

national power constitutes size, population, economy, technology, political stability, industrial strength, diplomacy, national will & cohesion etc - and military power.

Aircraft, tanks and submarines are only a small but an important part of the national power.

Few examples to prove the above:

Soviet Union collapsed with one of the biggest military machines.
Americans were thrown out of Viet Nam by just the will of the people.
Japan is a world power because of factors other than only its military machine.

For Defence, the rough rule is that one should have one third of the forces being used by the attacking force. Pakistan can just about perhaps defend itself against India.

But India is far stronger in all other componants which constitute national power - an arms race with India will simply mean an economic collapse like Soviet Union - and a subsequent disintegration. Pakistastan has put itself in the present precarious situation by just doing that.

The final battles are always faught by the people and not by the armies. French resistance, Viet Nam and now see how Iraq is giving a tough time to USA without any military.

Moral of the story is that Pakistan need not compete in arms race with India but develope itself economically, industrially, technologically, have political stability - and that is the best defence against any outsider. No occupying force can hold against the strong will of the people.

Romair # 68

Just adding to my other recent post.

Pakistan`s possession of nuclear weapons, ironically, is another source that adds to its insecurity.

It gives a false and a dangerous confidence in trying to dabble in limited conventional warfare - example Kargil.

I think non-possession of these weapons would have given it a greater security & safety. Political instability - with religion mixed in some where - these weapons have put Pakistan in an awkward positionon the world stage. This is all the more reason why Pakistan should seek a normalization of relations with India as its first priority.

Above is purely my opinion. You may disagree with it.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_391162,0012.htm

Hindustan Times
September 26, 2003

EDITORIAL
A Kargil state of mind

Pervez Musharraf has to make up his mind as to the kind of policy he
wants to pursue with India. His speech before the UN General Assembly
suggests that he is still in the Kargil mood of misadventure,
suffering from the delusion of overwhelming India with a sneak attack.
His intemperate language underlines such a mindset. But, at the same
time, he also bemoans the ``zero return`` from India so far as any peace
overtures are concerned. However, as India`s foreign secretary has
pointed out, Pakistan cannot expect any worthwhile returns if it
persists with its present policies. Not only has there been no scaling
down of the cross-border terrorism, Pakistan has also ratcheted up its
language.

Even if India concedes that General Musharraf`s reference to the
``brutal suppression of the Kashmiris`` and a call for an East
Timor-type UN intervention in Kashmir are meant for his domestic
audience, especially the Islamic fundamentalists, still Pakistan
cannot expect India to reaffirm its commitment to friendly ties when
he adopts such a tone. True, the Pakistani president is under
considerable pressure after his ``betrayal`` of al-Qaeda and the
Taliban, which have even threatened him with death. But that is his
problem. India cannot be all sweetness and light when he shows no
moderation in his approach to mutual ties.

If the earlier signs of thaw in India-Pakistan relations are no longer
all that evident, the reason is that General Musharraf is either
unable or unwilling to completely cut off his links with the terrorist
camp. The reason may have something to do with the preferences of
sections in the Pakistani army and the ISI, which have invested so
much in fomenting terrorism in India that they simply cannot change
their stance. General Musharraf may be under pressure from the US to
control these elements, especially now that Osama bin Laden may well
be in Pakistan. He also expects India to help him through conciliatory
gestures so that he can ``encourage a general cessation of violence
within Kashmir`` - a virtual admission that Pakistan has a role in that
violence. But it is futile for him to expect a favourable response
from India if he continues in his present intemperate vein.

of kargill.

#62 by jay........ Thank you sir. you are very kind.

Pakistan Fauj is Muslim is not passive religion, and they eat meat no cotton.

It is opportunity for many countries like Pakistan and India. If you are aware both countries are at teccnical disadvantage. Our rulers and your state assemblies feel poor people of country owe good living of farmers ( or they have right to be inefficient and still get cost +% as their right,). Both textile sectors of India and pakistan (by inflated govt supported subsidized) are forced to buy cotton of cheap grade at best american cotton at world prices.
So they will not be forced by low grade cotton at premium prices.
THERE IS NO MONEY IN SELLING RAW COTTON IN BALES> THE REAL MONEY IS IN FABRICATING OR STITCHING CLOTHES. Both are in good position ( if really markets open). Pakistan will do loose some tarrif concessions with EU and USA but still it will be better is my feeling. Over last three years about 3 billion dollras equipment is imported in Pakistan including feom India. There is a farmers will have to improve and fear is key they will improve. Things will turn ok. Its market of 250 Billion dollars and value addition is key. Both have good chances and they will take advantage of situation.
with best wishes to all.

PS: you are doctor. I use to get no sleep at all. Then I started reading selected works of Manto+Ylh from Chowk. Its like silver bullet. I start immediate snoring. You can try on your patients free before patent is rewarded.

Dear Ahmadzai,

Sorry you took my #57 at face value. It was intended as a sarcastic repost to your #55, where you indubitably scaled Romairian heights.

Some samples:
``Pakistan has already declared that it is not supporting any Jihad in IOK from Pakistani soil. The Jihad has, therefore, stopped.`` !!!!!!!!!!!!

``There may be terrorists entering into IOK from Pakistan on their individual efforts.``!!!!!!


take care and best regards,