The In-Security Council: Dump it or Grow it?

I don`t understand why Indians are not content with one Gandhi and one Nehru. Why do we keep trying to produce more of them?

Gandhites and Nehruites, you played your part, did well in your time; now don`t hang around longer than you are welcome. Fade into history gracefully. History books will honor you. But in todays` world, you are out of date, out of place.

Indian Gandhites and Nehruvites have gotten greedy. They want all Gandhis and Nehrus to be born only in India.

arjun_m,
You are trying to shoehorn everything into this ``might is right`` thing. For example, you say civil rights was forced on the seggregationist states by the mighty federal government. That part is right. But which mighty entity got the federal government to come on the side of civil rights? Similarly, why did the mighty brits gave up on india? Might, as Puyu or someone else said, may mean different things, not necessarily military or enforcement power. I think the author is essentially right that the structure of the UN can be changed into a fairer arrangement but a million people signing petitions is unlikely to be that force of change. Millions of people marching all over the world didn`t prevent two crazies from starting a war...

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Unkalji, Israel probably sells more high-tech weapons than anyone else to the exclusion of perhasps the US and Russia. They also are rumored to have nukes which were tested for them by S. Africa. I don`t think anyone in his sane mind would say Israel is a world power. The reality is that if France or GB had gone to war unprovoked against a sovereign nation on invented reasons as the US recently did, there would be hell to pay. So, no, I don`t think they are world powers.
A broader point I think is that a world power ought to be willing to exercise that power. I don`t think China qualifies on this count.

Arjun!!
as i said ,what if the vietnamese had resigned to the american might.
Surely, America was mightier in all conventional sense.
But Vietnam didnt buy it and thought how they could be mightier.
They didnt accept defeat APRIORI.
May be you/we dont realize your/our might!
Its disappointing that you dont believe in human spirit!

And as for the black civil movement it did win Kennedy`s support ,didnt it?
And it made a difference, didnt it?

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``and my proposal to dump the SC is a solution.``

Dump it and what? Like I said, it is one thing to tear down existing structures, another to propose alternatives.

``So stuka`s comment comment about not offering solutions is lacking in substance. ``

ummm, no. Actually your ``solution`` is...lacking in substance I mean..

puyu`s point about making a start is exactly right. We are making some headway here.

and my proposal to dump the SC is a solution. So stuka`s comment comment about not offering solutions is lacking in substance.

A million petitions, sent by We the People, cannot be entirely ignored, even by that apathetic and self-preserving intergovernmental body.

Do some people here think that the UN is capable of undertaking significant structural internal reform.? Self-destructing their own jobs and perks?

If the UN Charter says ``We the People`` I am going to asume they mean me and you. So I am willing to take action to talk back.

I did not write this piece as hot air., and never waste my time at the watercooler. Maybe we can save some lives, put some of the money into the hands of women and children, cotton growers and milk producers, solar energy developers and windgenerators, who need it badly.

So if anyone wants to float a petition on Petitions on Line website, let me know. I notice some good writers here.

I will not be responding to any further posts. Thanks everybody, no matter what your position is on this topic.

Lastly, if you want to help you are welcome to send the article along with your comments to:

Fred Eckhard Annan`s Spokesperson
Shashi Tharoor Secretariat
Angela King Women

All bureaucrats., and no, I don`t hobnob with bureaucrats.

CKK

know your might!!
:-)

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Might is Rightists!!

does it include moral might?
If not please explain all those civil rights movements .
Not all of them were failures and I guess proved themselves right!

It just doesnt have to be non-violent civil rights movements the humiliating moral stance of the weak!
Vietnam,Cuba....
What if they had accepted their might (whatever be it,poli..,eco..) was right?

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stuka

Alternatives come up in discussions.
Some one some where has to make a start.
It may not be (well,ill even say wont be) THE start.
still...

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People do it around coffee machines and water coolers every day.
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Is chowk very different from the above?

Arjun:
re. There is no Affirmative Action in global politics...live with it...
Dude, would you say that Might is as right today as it was, say, 300 years ago? PLease think carefully before answering.
Also, would you say it`s as right ths year as it was two yeas ago?Assuming you agree that in the world of Global politics, the degree to which might can enforce `it`s`` fiat varies, you`ve conceded that ``affirmative action`` does play a role, however tiny at them moment.. It`s little steps... but you have to look at the really large picture to have any appreciation of the change. Vision helps you get there too!
And let`s not forget, Affirmative ACtion in the US would have been unthinkable a hundred years ago.. If it could happen at the State-scale, who is to say that (with some sort of organizatio nakin to world governement), it won`t happen in the future... It`s not impossible to imagine the ``lesser`` states organizing (THE KEY!!) themselves so as to affect the balance of where might lies. But you have to begin with some sort of vision for this to even BEGIN to happen. Incidentally, has anyone read the article I hotlinked in #4? Comments would be welcome.
rgds,
PM

``I guess by that line of thinking, Rev. Martin Luther King, Mother Teresa and Nelson Mandela made no contribution to the advance of human ideals. ``

They did, from an agitantionist`s perspective, not an administrative perspective. It is one thing to point out criticisms, quite another to point out alternatives. If all Newton had done was ask WHY an apple falls to the ground, and left it at that, he would have been known as the neighborhood loon rather than the great scientist that he was.

Maybe the author`s article would have more credibility if she also came up with what she feel is an alternative system which other countries would buy into. Then yes, her premise that the current system is dysfunctional would be compared to the alternative she suggests, thereby setting up some stimulated thinking. Otherwise, pointing out weaknesses in any existing organization, inter-state or intra, is the easiest thing to do. People do it around coffee machines and water coolers every day.