To Love or to Like?

re: movie Jogger`s park
Saw the movie tonight. I never thought i would ever write this, but i agree with what F.V is saying about this movie in post # 8. The movie is pretentious, does not sound real. Either that or i am so much out of touch with the India of today that i do not know what i am saying.

I do not believe that even today in India girls (even in Bombay or Delhi parks) would strike a conversation with strangers. So, a big deal was made about this lawyer`s celebrity status and the girl being in awe of him. The girl is shown as being very westernised, independent, has had many relationships and seems to have many admirers. Why do i think the theme is lifted straight out of Hollywood?
Bollywood films are trying to be hip. So, you now-a-days hear 4-lettered ``f...`` words being uttered with impunity (i counted at least 8 times such words were used in the movie). And, we are to admire this new change! I prefere the old time conservative values, with a good story and some good songs.
The whole film is a ``time pass`` that is all. There is no creativity nor any reality. I think some B-grade bollywood movies are better.
sridhar

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Ras Saheb:
Shatranj ke khilari, though the only hindi/urdu film made by Ray, is by no means his best film. I dont know if I would even call it the best hindi film. The top contenders would include `Saheb Bibi Ghulam`, Bandini and Do Bigha Zamin.

t

Satyajit Ray’s first Urdu/Hindi film Shatranj Ke Khilari

is one of my all time favorites from South Asian cinema.

Ras

Saminasha #38,
I will answer you before Veeresh gets chance ..) He is very active these days.

Intercaste marriage is quite common. I think that inter-class marriage (if you mean marraige between people from different social/financial standing) is not that common.

My relatives include Kayasthas, Sikhs and now - a christian. One of my class mate, a muslim girl, had a live-in relationship with a Bengali brahmin for 4 years IN BIHAR before they decided to get married and move to USA. No one in city was much bothered. Of course, it was Jamshedpur - a city with very high education rate.

Veeresh,

That is indeed a population that is interesting.

How common is marriage across class/caste in India?

Saminasha ji . . . I am talking about the rather standard phenomenon in our part of the world of a 10-12 year gap between husband and wife especially in arranged marriages . . . where it starts with a 28-30 year old male ``settled`` getting married to somebody who is say 18-20, this is not uncommon, right?

Now fast forward to when the woman is about 40, the children have started growing wings, and the husband is in the `50s, losing interest, facing retirement and job blues and most of all, not as energetic as a woman in her `40s reaching a simple sexual peak is concerned.

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Across social and all other barriers, classes.

Veeresh,

Some good points. Older men are attractive to younger women because they tend to be maturer, have had more life experiences and acrued more power/prestige/skill in their fields. They also are not intimidated by the younger woman`s intelligence-they actually are quite supportive of them-which is a far cry from the way the men our age act; Jogger`s Park illustrated that well with Jenny`s guy friends who really deserved the slaps they got. Some of the older male profs at my uni are considered very attractive by grad students, etc. But you also get women profs who have their groupies. Mostly its pretty harmless student adoration. On a few occasions you`ll have an older male prof marry a grad student.
And to be honest, if the male prof. has left a devoted wife of twenty-thirty years of marriage, some of us feel bad for the ex spouse.

My take, having been a young person once upon a time, is that it is the younger person who desires the elder person more . . . and finds in the elder person of the opposite gender all the missing bits and pieces that remain mysteries otherwise in the opposite sex of the same young age?

Another point - for young men, middle aged men, elderly men - the fascination with women in their 40s seems to be a static point? Does this happen to other men too?

HN, Ferz:

...ok!...it must be the water or the air in your neck of woods...if there is a trace of sex in the relationship it cannot be platonic...jean-paul, HN and ferz aside!

...re: desi lolitas

...if you mean in literature...i would agree...

...in real life they abound and come out of every corner...in your area they are called rakhails...across the divide they are sanctioned by misinterpreted religion and shariah and are are the latest or the fourth wife...

...and again to mildly protest.... HN it does not take any character to sin...last i checked one needs either (misused) power, money or both...and there is no dearth of them on either side...

samm

...agree...they should do something about the bimbos...and first lines;)

...t

Also, having seen Leela, I wonder why the younger lover/desire object is almost incoherent and unintelligent. I found the young man in Leela to be childlike and unripe...and what was Jenny`s first line about a painting she and Jyotin were looking at? ``It speaks of music and poetry.`` What? What does that mean???

My suggestion for screenwriters approaching this October-June or Winter-Spring combination is to take special pains to make the younger partner compelling and not just reeking of youth. There is that famous line about desire happening in the mind, or that humans are mainly attracted by each other`s intelligence...

Farzana,

Hah! I thought about it myself, once the typo was already nailed on the grammarian`s board!

But, what you say is so happy a thought...reminds me of a favourite line...And then there is a happiness the heart grows afraid...or something akin to that...now that line would be the diagnosis of all those on the verge of the pull of t`s cg/cg relationships isn`t it. It takes a lot of character to sin...ahh another delectable word isn`t it?

But isn`t it exciting these ideas, their relevance, and then their sometimes dramatic eaths. Another favourite quote...make it two...are from Ibsen.

`` The majority is always wrong.``

the second is another delectable one;

``The life of an idea is 15 years, at the most 17.``

I would love it if a Lolita were to happen from our part of the earth!

Am doing fine...otherwise...

HN

T-Bhai,

My mother and I watched it together. It is an interesting movie, with device gestures that could be even more effective if some of the genre conventions (thunderclaps=conflict; music editing and dialogue) were more strictly edited.

Victor Banerjee played Jyotin Chatterjee well enough that the judge was a very sympathetic character. Banerjee`s reserve and restraint elevated Chatterjee`s personal crisis to something almost elegiac-as much as is possible in Bollywood genre. Also, his conveyance of his ``falling``, his cover ups, repetitions of dutiful lines (as in the family powwow convene to decide his son`s affair), his relief after signing the property papers and sharing his wife`s kheer in celebration of their anniversary-expresses his ambivalence almost effortlessly. (which we know is hard work)

I really appreciated this duality whenever Chatterji went back to join his family at breakfast or dinner. On one level the viewer appreciates this tidy and devoted family unit-where everyone knows and performs their roles. Underneath this surface, the family was almost monstrous in its expectations-and Chatterji was as imprisoned in them as each member (besides his son`s affair, and his wife`s irritation at her domestic scheme being intruded on by her retired husband), you really got the feeling that everyone adhered to a code of ``honor`` and unregulated ``love`` was disruptive/negligable when compared to that code. I really felt bad for Chatterji- he did all the right things and gave up new possibilities to maintain the family structure and reputation. In a way, it is tragic.

Jenny got more interesting as the movie developed. I dont know what was so compelling about her conversation...but her circumstances were noteworthy; without family, roots, a settled discipline. She seemed to be doing whatever she could given her genetic lottery and employment circumstances. I agree with Farzana in that it would have been nice to see her actually do some work rather than signifying work in her hotel suit. Her lines were kind of awful, but I think another actress might have given her some more gravity?

Also, I was a bit surprised that neither JC nor Jenny seemed to give one guilty thought to JC`s wife...who did seem more like a mother to JC than anything.

veeresh:
I do not have the Leela album but I do recall some good songs in it, especially the one sung by the Vinod Khanna character. In Leela, I saw Deepti Naval getting upset about an older woman having an affair with her son. Interestingly, the next film I saw, whose name I can`t recall, had Deepti Naval playing an older widow living in a modern Apartment complex and having an affair with a young boy who was her paying guest. She played both roles quite well. Looks like older woman, younger boy theme is in vogue in Indian movies. Do they show Sex and the City over there?

HN.t...
How delectable it would be if Sartre`s quote had indeed been, ``platonic relationship between man and woman is possible, because sex comes in between them``! See the paradigm shift, of rising above the basic instinct by making that instinct into a springboard rather than a cul de sac...we can then talk about lovers as friends and friends as lovers without the baggage of institutionalised longing...

But, alas, these are mere Freudian whimsies of keyboards ``too stiffened by platonicity... ``;)

And, so how are we, HN???

t,

yes...it should have been ``impossible`` in the Jean Paul Sartre quote...my keyboard has been too stiffened by platonicity...

dost mittar ji . . . thanks to janab temporal , I went to see Jogger`s Park . . . being highly tired I slept through most of it unfortunately it could not hold my attention because having lived in Khar/Bandra at one time I think the treatment of the ``characters`` therein was more like what people want to see of Khar/Bandra . . . one thing I want to say is that there is no great stigma to cross-generation relationships anymore people go about their business old/young man/woman same sex without making a big deal of it in Khar/Bandra . . . in that way Leela handled the subject much better the word that comes to mind is ``finesse`` and then ofcourse the sheer acting depth of a group of people like Dimple Kapadia & Vinod Khanna & Deepti Naval and short cameo by Gulshan Grover, these are accomplished people . . . Victor Banerjee is good on his own strength but then a movie is about many parts . . . I hope you have the album from ``Leela`` the songs are interesting and make for a wide variety of styles if played start to finish . . .

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t.
will have to wait and see if jogger`s park comes my way. so you may have to wait a while for my comments. : )
lve. a.

Inquirer, sac, HN
…yes the sloppinessis all mine and subject to being heard will be fixed shortly:)…you and HN, and sac have raised some interesting issues…

Does any relationship between a man and a woman have to be judged in the backdrop and framework of sex? Is/should sex be the all covering tent under which a man and woman can interact even on non-sexual points of contact?-Inquirer
…not any & all c/g-c/g relationships are or should be judged thus…physical contact notwithstanding…

…yesterday, we had some company over…and one of them mentioned this incident…here in TO at the end of a lengthy meeting recently to discuss the incarceration of 23 pakistanis on trumped up terrorism charges….at the end of the meeting the chair a 45 year old Pakistani lightly brushed the head of a 20 year old young woman participant with his fingers and palm in a gesture that is known to desis as one of affection and encouragement…that volunteer young woman took this light physical gesture as an affront…as if he had pinched her bottom!…

…i understand this as a cultural gap issue too…but coming to yours (and others elsewhere) point of physical contact between c/g-c/g relationships in real life situations contact are of both kinds sexual and asexual…and to judge one at the expense of the other is not right…

Movies are watchable mostly when they take us away from reality not into reality…sac
…wish you had qualified this!

…movies are (generally) a slice of life…and life (and living) can be comical, bitter-sweet, tough…the whole gamut…and in the hands of a good team of writer-cinematographer-director-actors the resultant can be an equally good or great slice of life…through depictions of fantasy or reality…documentaries are not alone in depicting this reality....

Its a case of a cliche escaping the cliched frying pan and landing up in the cliched fire! And minoritism does not have the respect, or rather the widespread respect, that perhaps some western/developed societies have…HN
…that and more!…society in general…and the older elements in particular everywhere become slightly disgruntled and skeptical of platonic relationships outside of the mother-son/father-daughter relationships…is their skepticism justified in all case?…my vote is in negation…

…have answered the query raised in the first conversation you recalled earlier…in the second with the jean-paul quote I think the word should be ‘impossible’…correct me if am wrong…

dost-mittar and ana
…would wait for your and saminasha’s comments after you have watched the movie…

…leela and dil chahta hai both had strong undercurrents of sexual attraction…older woman younger man…and even though they had c-g/c-g elements they were different than my (minority) perception of Jogger’s Park…

Joyelle
…very interesting read …raises another question away from this discussion… so after 38 years of active life a person is supposed to go to pasture?…is the end of a useful life one should cherish?…assuming a person is relatively in good health this does not happen here…the senior citizens remain active and volunteer in positive community activities…sharing their experience, wisdom and passion with others…

...taimur and others ...thanks everyone for participating...

rgds,

t

fosa. . .
back to your old tricks again, eh? well here`s one for you. . .`act your age, not your shoe size. . . .!` goodbye.

i really don`t know, reading the review and looking at the responses whether i`d be remotely interested in watching `jogger`s park.`
mittar ji, interesting that you should bring up leela.
i can`t help but think of the older woman younger man friendship in `dil chahta hai`. . i thought that was done very well...even though it was a slice of the film, it sounds like there was definitely more substance in that, than what i`m reading about here.

t,

Intersting format. Looks like a cut and paste from a MSN chat with yourself...:)

Have not seen JP, but this cg/cg scene is underexplored mostly in the subcontinental setting. Thats because we have very strong grids for relationships. An old man is not allowed to be an old man with sexuality alive in him. Otherwise he is a dirty old man.

Its a case of a cliche escaping the cliched frying pan and landing up in the cliched fire! And minoritism does not have the respect, or rather the widespread respect, that perhaps some western/developed societies have.

Even in books, it will take a longtime before we really have a LOLITA from these shores. And remember the climate today is so overmediased, that were a serious exploration done, it will immediately scale sales chart because somebody is going to call it blaphemous. One man`s erotica then becomes another`s porn.

Since you evesdropped...here`s a small conversation I had during my college days. You decide. Incidentally, it was the year of doing DH Lawrence`s Sons and Lovers...just to colour the page, so the reading between the lines is facilitated. This is a classroom conversation.



Teacher: If a relationship is platonic it cannot ever be physical.
Student: If in a platonic relationship, there is one moment of physicality, can it return to being platonic?
Teacher: No.
Student: Why? Is platonicity so pure that real life impulses is always in danger of destroying it, every single day. Or is it to mean only an asexual m/w relationship?


Another is a conversation with another professor of English Literature...but this time in a bus...

Teacher: Do you think platonic relationships are possible?
Student: Yes. Of course. Why? Do you doubt it?
Teacher: Well, i do not think so. As Sartre said `` platonic relationship between man and woman is possible, because sex comes in between them.

PS: The first teacher was in her mid thirties then The second was Head of the department of another college, but only a few years of retirement.)

HN

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temporal:
How does Jogger`s Park compare with Leela?

My dad retired two months ago after 38 years of service. Mom complained to me a few times that she is not used to him being home all day. He would offer his prayers, read the Urdu newspapers, watch TV, and snack frequently. He was surely missing his daily home-work-home routine. I suggested he could start writing, on his favorite topic, Politics, for the local Urdu paper or get involved in charity work.
Two weeks ago, I watched Jogger`s Park with my husband. He found the movie to be quite amusing and laughed throughout its entirety. I didn`t. I hated Jenny and I hated JC even more! I couldn`t stand either one of them.
The next morning, I called my mom up and asked her if her and dad had watched JP yet? She said no. I told her not to watch it and that she wouldn`t like it.
I don`t know what came over me.
A day later, dad and I went out for lunch and I asked him what he was thinking about doing. He said ``Iss burhapay mein karna kiya hai? Ibadat karoonga, ghar per rahoonga, tumhari maa ke saath waqt guzaroonga, aur jab tumharay bachay hongay toh chor jana unko dekh loonga.`` I smiled and gave him a big hug. I love my dad.
Movies are movies after all.

ps:

# 9 and up ...will respond later

Ferz:

...given the constraints…time, length, interest…i maxed out…any longer and it would be flogging a dead horse…

I think you have not given credit to JC’s wife in your write-up. I think she was the truly independent spirit beneath that conventional garb…I see her as a confident woman who does not feel that now that her husband is free of official work, he should sit and watch soap operas with her….

…yes am guilty of not mentioning her…she did not stand out for me… did not see her as a confident independent spirit that you saw…

...for me she was a typical ‘aunty’ material set not confident in her ways…she was used to run her household in her way…and was not used to seeing an old man…in her domain during the day…she badgered him for watching cricket or listening to ghazals…she would rather see him away from her domain even if it be for a short duration…

To the larger question you raise, my answer is: In any relationship, there is nothing like a free lunch...something is taken, taken away, taken off, taken to. This is a given :)

which relationship?…for the purposes of this interaction mine was a minority report and yours was a majority report…by calling it a minority report I had already acceded ground…therefore you are right…mostly… and am wrong …mostly;)

…but having experienced them (platonic relationships)... personally am a believer…this again is in the minority realms…

lve,

t

what is this bias against liberal arts majors anyway....re: `liberal arts majors in the bread line`. . . .leave us kids alone!!!!!

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Since I am the only one who has `whined` about this movie, let me state here that films such as this one are being projected as `reality`, therefore they will be judged by that yardstick. Of course, if you want to push it, you can wear rose-tinted glasses to see that reality that is in fact already multi-hued kitsch. If one wants to escape and see caricatures, it makes better sense to watch someone slipping on a banana peel than a subject that claims to examine contemporary concerns. It does justice neither to the matter it hopes to bring to the fore nor to the genre of full-fledged escapism.

....thanks sammi, (come back after you have watched the movie)..gotztago, PM (badmashi say baaz aajao) and others...

SaimaShah
like that!…love is a moment of madness…let me digress and elaborate on this:

love is a moment of madness
true love is this madness shared
great love is when this moment lasts a lifetime...

Veeru
…A lot depends on coincidence. Leave it at that…
yes we will, and if bhabhiji is reading this, namaste;)

dogger
you are wise…
but how can I?…platonic love is the base of my minority report

...t

t,

Nice review that should open up some interesting discussions. Wish you hadn`t let the poet in you roam freely with the free associations though :)

I don`t understand those who whine about movies having no semblance to real life. Characters in movies are caricatures or unreal precisely because it is a movie, not your khala`s kitchen or the jeweler`s shop in Jackson heights. Movies are watchable mostly when they take us away from reality not into reality. If they throw up some thought provoking idea in the process, so be it. Leave the deconstruction to liberal arts majors in the bread line.

later
-sac

Dear temporal,

very interesting indeed. Though Farzana has raised some valid points :)

Regards.

Hello T:
A very interesting and `hatt-kay` film review!
Subahash Ghai is not my favourite film maker. Have seen a couple of his films but couldn`t call them intelligent or anything. Your review was going to change my mind and I was going to get a dvd of Joggers Park and then I read Farzana`s `pitaayee` of the same film. Now I am not sure I want to see it.
Film `Shaukeen` probably wouldn`t qualify as intergenerational love but I liked that delightful comedy of three `thurkee buddhas` played by veterans Ashok Kumar, Utpal Dutt and Hangal.
Anyway, you seem to be quite au courrant with the Bolywood film scene. I hardly reconized any film or the artists you mention.

Temporal:
I complement you for your write-up, though towards the end of Part II your informal casualty bordered on sloppiness. Your style of handling a critique of a film is definitely praiseworthy. The ambiguity of the format and handling of characters may - I am not sure, I have not seen the movie - lead to the criticism or misunderstanding of the movie. I appreciate your inclusion of references to other movies. These provide hints for seeing those movies.
I wonder whether the movie has addressed a much more fundamental question of cross-gender FRIENDSHIP. Does any relationship between a man and a woman have to be judged in the backdrop and framework of sex? Is/should sex be the all covering tent under which a man and woman can interact even on non-sexual points of contact? Analogously, as between men it can be stated that the monetary benefits are the cover-all criteria, can friendship between m and m/ m and w have an independent locus standi? What are least common denominators of cross gender and within gender relationships? Is this obsession with sex fundamental or socially engineered and directed (Part III has some relevance to this.)? No doubt these have interfaces with sublimation and its meaning and relevance. - individually as well as socially.

t:
I found your personal comments stimulating. But, I wish you had explored the cross gender/cross generation friendships more, rather than leave it to ``eavesdropping``. The responses there are sophomoric psychobabble, I am afraid. Why the hell should the man commit beyond a certain point when the girl does not?

I saw the film and found it silly and exploitative in the extreme. I use the word extreme because this is being touted as the New Age film about how people in urban areas today live. Well then, there is news. This is not how we live and conduct our lives. I was even angrier because of the way Jogger`s Park, my haunt for many years, and the Bandra girl, my home forever, are portrayed. This is a typical Sandra from Bandra with an Up Yours attitude that stereotypes have always buffered. If you think that the Sikh and the Parsi characters are caricatures, I think the two main protagonists were greater caricatures.

Remember that scene when after a felicitation ceremony justice Jyotin Chatterji is surrounded by young punks who ask for his autograph and quote from his judgments? That was hilarious! No judge in India, and certainly not in Mumbai, gets this kind of attention. It is clear that his `hero` like qualities are being forced out to make him `worthy` of the heroine.

And what is she? I have read reviews where they have talked about how Indian movies have at last shown a woman who does her own thing on her own terms, and is not afraid of talking about her love affairs, living alone and not being tied down to a 9-5 job. If this was a serious attempt then we do not see her as a person who has any strong convictions wrt to her relationships, so are we being made to believe that it is ok for a young woman to sleep around? In that case, what is so independent about it? That she lives alone? I know of many single women who would never manage that lifestyle. How does she do it? As for her so-called work, we don’t see her doing much of it. There is no suggestion that she is a real career woman with aspirations. She is just one more chick with balls. I would go to the extent of calling her a tease.

The relationship with JC is about this. That scene where she tells him that she did start out hoping he’d help her with a legal problem is so stagey, an after-thought. The fact is that she is leading him on sexually…by saying she ‘likes’ him only whets his appetite. There may be no groping, hugs, kisses, which make the film all the more implausible because the chemistry is just not conveyed. Is that why during the interval in the movie hall in Bandra, I found the older couples laughing away. Because they just did not think it rang true. It was so corny.

And what new world is she showing him? He says he is seeing things through her eyes now. What has he managed to see? When his son-in-law is caught having an affair, he talks about family honour. Had he learnt anything with Jenny then>? No. Besides, that whole drama was again stagey with all the family members sitting and discussing the issue. This in a family of educated, respected people. (Anyone acquainted with Bengali bhadralok culture would be shocked at this display.)

I think you have not given credit to JC’s wife in your write-up. I think she was the truly independent spirit beneath that conventional garb. It is she who wants her husband to start going out more (Jenny is outside the cocoon; it takes more courage for someone in the cocoon to let the caterpillar take wings), she is amused and happy when he ‘improves’ himself (such superficiality as new shoes, T-shirts, shades, cell phone sms-ing) and she stays pretty much out of his way, not even suspecting anything. Some might think she is a fool; I see her as a confident woman who does not feel that now that her husband is free of official work, he should sit and watch soap operas with her.

The last straw is when Jenny’s friend calls him up and asks him to come out and reveal himself if he is not afraid. What the hell is happening? I am glad he did not go because the last scene where they meet at the airport is so cheesy. She is married with a kid and she introduces JC as her “fourth boyfriend” to her husband. Really! That female was more a souvenir collector than a woman with a mind of her own.

If you are interested, V. Shantaram had made a film called ‘Duniya Na Maney’ exploring an April-December relationship. There was another angle given to it in the film ‘Gharonda’ by Bhimsain. Films like ‘Jogger’s Park’ are pretenders trying to be too smart.

To the larger question you raise, my answer is: In any relationship, there is nothing like a free lunch...something is taken, taken away, taken off, taken to. This is a given :)

F

The viewpoint represented in this article/movie is limited due to the society that it lives in i.e. the assumption that the people in question are monogamous. Otherwise the old man can get married to the younger chick, if she don`t mind being the second woman.

Either way the question thats begging to be answered is that platonic relationship and intensity of love aside... Can the old man get it up enough to satisfy the young lady??? I mean they may get along and all, but dick is dick after all.. if you know what I mean.

cheers

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Haven`t had time to see Jogger`s Park (been busy working out at the gym instead . . .) but the feedback from halves and others has been kind of encouraging. Thanks for an interesting review, though, T-ji.

On Victor Banerjee, have chowkies seen him in Polanski`s ``Bitter Moon``? What was he doing there is something I have never understood.

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On relationships with other genders, my take is that these are very individual kind of tastes and opportunities. A lot depends on coincidence. Leave it at that, anything more is Kiss & Tell I guess. But nothing wrong with it, I guess more people suffer from the guilt of thinking about it rather than actually going through it.

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Jogger`s Park aka ``Why be Guilty if You enjoy It?``

temporal;

interesting review. I guess the movie really targets the vulnerability men feel around male menopause--I wont go into all that. I watched it just 2 days ago.

But seriously, love can be a pretty confusing and humiliating state . And yes he did the right thing. She would have wrecked his life. and would not have been a suitable companion for a life time. Falling in love is one thing. Living with someone a different thing all together. One is a matter of the heart, the other is a commitment of the mind. It is distressing when love doesnt succeed, but the expectation that our attachments would mean commitment and a life together is naive.

love is like a fantasy world, you leave the boredom and mundanity behind to lead an alternative moment of madness. One can do that at any time anywhere, provided you find a suitable object of desire.

T:
``Cross gender and cross generation friendship is an under explored subject in literature and in movies. Yes, we have Sugar Daddies and Mammas and Trophy Wives and Girl Friends. But that is exploitative and not the norm.``

Surely, this is not a L.I.E :-)

To be sure, there is a wealth of mateiral, fiction as well as non-fic out there, but you`re right, it`s underexplored, and certainly never mainstreamed.

But what else can be expected when Comparitive Litt lecturers in the US use the idea of ``abuse`` as the starting point of any discourse on intergenerational love!

umm well....a valid point to make and good writing...welldone temporal!!....that was very rightly said about males....its not particular about the aged ones but is a general trait of all males that they are indecisive especially in the decision of choosing a lady for them.....thats observation!!
this review is much similar to a hoard of stories going on around us....i think....isn`t it?

Temp,

This is a great piece- I love the genre switching. Also, bought a copy of JG`s on Monday in Jackson Heights with my mother saying, ``How do you know about all these new movies?`` :)....cant wait to watch it...