Teju Prasad October 20, 2003
#1 Posted by kaurasach on October 20, 2003 3:25:11 pm
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#2 Posted by ahmedmadani on October 20, 2003 5:34:16 pm
Two poetic quotations about wife and marriage
homemaker, lover, companion and friend ( Kalidas`s play character talking about his wife)
`` now you are wife and husband for life like sky and earth forever , this is the beginning of journey but there is no end, let gods help you on this great joyful sorrowful journey`` (Marriage hymns of hindus: ref. book Culture of India by French Author )
( I read this poetic reciation meaning and spirit beautifully worded: agree not much related to article, neither I am against Divorce if needed)
homemaker, lover, companion and friend ( Kalidas`s play character talking about his wife)
`` now you are wife and husband for life like sky and earth forever , this is the beginning of journey but there is no end, let gods help you on this great joyful sorrowful journey`` (Marriage hymns of hindus: ref. book Culture of India by French Author )
( I read this poetic reciation meaning and spirit beautifully worded: agree not much related to article, neither I am against Divorce if needed)
#3 Posted by Fosa on October 20, 2003 5:34:17 pm
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#4 Posted by temporal on October 21, 2003 7:01:24 am
with apology for this digression:
bina shah has posted this on unplugged and this needs wider exposure...it is an online petition against the stifling stranglehold of the Hudood Ordinances...please go to this site and if in agreement make your thoughts known
by signing up...a drop at a time makes the bucket full...
...t
#5 Posted by Urstruly on October 21, 2003 8:23:06 am
One correction here. Hindsism is not the oldest religion in the world. The oldest religion in the world is Islam which dates back to Adam (peace be upon him), the first human.
#6 Posted by soundmeister on October 21, 2003 8:49:35 am
Urstruly you have made my day
that was really funny!!!
Article is a but ponderous. Urstruly is funnier...
that was really funny!!!
Article is a but ponderous. Urstruly is funnier...
#7 Posted by ironman on October 21, 2003 10:36:44 am
Urstruly,
``The oldest religion in the world is Islam which dates back to Adam (peace be upon him), the first human.``
Very true.
Adam was Allah`s `first-cut` human design!!
``The oldest religion in the world is Islam which dates back to Adam (peace be upon him), the first human.``
Very true.
Adam was Allah`s `first-cut` human design!!
#8 Posted by Inquirer on October 21, 2003 11:46:25 am
The purposes of marriage are as follows:
(i) The society and an accustomed way of life has to be preserved.
(ii) The individual sexual urges have to be satisfied.
(iii) Individuals have to learn and teach the habits of taking care of some one other than oneself.
(iv) The need to feel important has to be satisfied.
(v) Feeling of loneliness that is generated by accumulating experience that one day everyone must die has to be alleviated.
(vi) A technique to survive the longest possible time has to be used.
Consistent work to achieve above aims has made humanity the most influential species on the earth.
All this is OK if the system which includes marriage allows for self-fulfilment in addition to the above aims.
Hindus have behaved somewhat differently from others in regard to marriage stability largely because of the laws that have obtained in India. As the laws and expectations from the protections therefrom change, combined with the overpopulation of earth by humans, the emphasis on marriage will change. The evolved path does depend on massive wars and other events like an asteroid strike.
The sharing of common human goals across the globe will make people in different lands similar to each other.
(i) The society and an accustomed way of life has to be preserved.
(ii) The individual sexual urges have to be satisfied.
(iii) Individuals have to learn and teach the habits of taking care of some one other than oneself.
(iv) The need to feel important has to be satisfied.
(v) Feeling of loneliness that is generated by accumulating experience that one day everyone must die has to be alleviated.
(vi) A technique to survive the longest possible time has to be used.
Consistent work to achieve above aims has made humanity the most influential species on the earth.
All this is OK if the system which includes marriage allows for self-fulfilment in addition to the above aims.
Hindus have behaved somewhat differently from others in regard to marriage stability largely because of the laws that have obtained in India. As the laws and expectations from the protections therefrom change, combined with the overpopulation of earth by humans, the emphasis on marriage will change. The evolved path does depend on massive wars and other events like an asteroid strike.
The sharing of common human goals across the globe will make people in different lands similar to each other.
#9 Posted by fountainheader on October 21, 2003 9:43:15 pm
``One correction here. Hindsism is not the oldest religion in the world. The oldest religion in the world is Islam which dates back to Adam (peace be upon him), the first human.``
This guy always sounds like he is straight out of George Orwell`s 1984. He actually believes in all the tripe he spews out. Fodder for dictatorship, such people.
This guy always sounds like he is straight out of George Orwell`s 1984. He actually believes in all the tripe he spews out. Fodder for dictatorship, such people.
#10 Posted by fountainheader on October 21, 2003 9:43:15 pm
I think that of late, arranged marriage has become like a back-up system in India, at least among the urbanised middle class (lower and upper). Most youngsters do have crushes, boyfriends, girlfriends, flings, affairs, etc. However if it does not work out, then there is always the option of arranged marriage to fall back upon.
Though it is an archaic system, it ensures that almost everyone will get married, because it is like an algorithm to find the ``best fit`` for you, based on the external social norms like family, caste, looks etc.
One nail the article hits right on the head is about the divorce rate being low in India. Often while arguing with defendants of the arranged marriage system, I have tried to point out that since there is no mention of divorces in the sastras, there is a taboo associated with it. My guess is if we take the number of ``unhappy marriages`` or ``dead marriages`` rather than divorces, India will higher than the West in this regard.
Or maybe not, since Indians expect very less from a marriage. However with nuclear families replacing joint family totally, the expectations here too would rise.
Though it is an archaic system, it ensures that almost everyone will get married, because it is like an algorithm to find the ``best fit`` for you, based on the external social norms like family, caste, looks etc.
One nail the article hits right on the head is about the divorce rate being low in India. Often while arguing with defendants of the arranged marriage system, I have tried to point out that since there is no mention of divorces in the sastras, there is a taboo associated with it. My guess is if we take the number of ``unhappy marriages`` or ``dead marriages`` rather than divorces, India will higher than the West in this regard.
Or maybe not, since Indians expect very less from a marriage. However with nuclear families replacing joint family totally, the expectations here too would rise.
#11 Posted by saminshah on October 22, 2003 7:13:17 am
#7 by ironman
#5 by Urstruly
thanks to both of you for joke of year.coooooooooooooooooool
#5 by Urstruly
thanks to both of you for joke of year.coooooooooooooooooool
#12 Posted by Inquirer on October 22, 2003 9:17:38 am
Teju Prasad:
Your statement: ``In fact, the literal meaning of the verb “to wed” is “to gamble”, a far cry from the Sanskrit “vivaaha,” literally meaning: “to embark on special journey.``
is not confirmed by Merriam Webster. Is your statement your imagination or factual error?
Your statement: ``In fact, the literal meaning of the verb “to wed” is “to gamble”, a far cry from the Sanskrit “vivaaha,” literally meaning: “to embark on special journey.``
is not confirmed by Merriam Webster. Is your statement your imagination or factual error?
#13 Posted by tprasad on October 22, 2003 1:42:57 pm
Etymology of the word `wed`:
`` O.E. weddian ``to pledge, covenant to do something, marry,`` from P.Gmc. *wadjojanan. Sense remained ``pledge`` in other Gmc. languages (cf. Ger. Wette ``bet, wager``);``
from the website
``http://www.etymonline.com/w1etym.htm``
The etymology of the word `wed` can also be found in the book:
``Word Origins:An Exploration and History of Words and Language``
by Wilfred Funk
c. 1992
ISBN # 0517265745
While it can be debated whether the Germanic or Old English origin is to be taken at face value, I think given the existence of the Germanic etymological source, it supports the conclusion of weddings having more a secular temperament in the West.
My apologies for not including the etymological source in the bibliography.
`` O.E. weddian ``to pledge, covenant to do something, marry,`` from P.Gmc. *wadjojanan. Sense remained ``pledge`` in other Gmc. languages (cf. Ger. Wette ``bet, wager``);``
from the website
``http://www.etymonline.com/w1etym.htm``
The etymology of the word `wed` can also be found in the book:
``Word Origins:An Exploration and History of Words and Language``
by Wilfred Funk
c. 1992
ISBN # 0517265745
While it can be debated whether the Germanic or Old English origin is to be taken at face value, I think given the existence of the Germanic etymological source, it supports the conclusion of weddings having more a secular temperament in the West.
My apologies for not including the etymological source in the bibliography.
#14 Posted by UmerMurtaza on October 22, 2003 3:34:24 pm
Teja,
Sorry for taking up your space.
To those interested: Please go to the `publish and discuss articles on social and cultural issues` board for further details on Hudood Laws.
Thank you.
Umer M.
Sorry for taking up your space.
To those interested: Please go to the `publish and discuss articles on social and cultural issues` board for further details on Hudood Laws.
Thank you.
Umer M.
#16 Posted by Inquirer on October 23, 2003 6:07:05 am
Teju, the whole truth from your reference:
wed - O.E. weddian ``to pledge, covenant to do something, marry,`` from P.Gmc. *wadjojanan. Sense remained ``pledge`` in other Gmc. languages (cf. Ger. Wette ``bet, wager``); development to ``marry`` is unique to Eng. Wedding was O.E. weddung ``state of being wed,`` but the O.E. word for the ceremony was bridelope, lit. ``bridal run,`` in reference to conducting the bride to her new home.
wed - O.E. weddian ``to pledge, covenant to do something, marry,`` from P.Gmc. *wadjojanan. Sense remained ``pledge`` in other Gmc. languages (cf. Ger. Wette ``bet, wager``); development to ``marry`` is unique to Eng. Wedding was O.E. weddung ``state of being wed,`` but the O.E. word for the ceremony was bridelope, lit. ``bridal run,`` in reference to conducting the bride to her new home.
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