Kalapini Komkali & Shewta Jhaveri

#36 About Shankara: Ine music india on line dot com has shankara rendation By Dr. Ms.Prabha Atre at best price, its free. ( one in Drut Trital and other in Vilambit ektal). I will refrain due to lack of my study or depth. I liked her singing in Shankara mood ( vilambit eaktal and drut trital)

Harimao: I agree with your comment human voice is best no instrument can even approach. My ears like human voice and do not like ``string instruments`` . I like in instruments sanai, harmonium and fluit due to continuous flow. Its nothing special just like food different people like different

Dear Yogiraj!
I have heard both of Roshanara ji`s recordings. The Hansdhuni and Shankara. But her Shankara, in sublime! Utterly, Sublime! She sings it in Bilampat Ektaal, and bandish is `` Mathaay Tilak Dhaare``! This is a fast-tempo bandish, but she has sung it in a slower one. But her taans her fabulous. She syas taans 3.5 Saptak to 4.5 Saptak in a matter of seconds. And Shankara i sthe Lord of ragas. Not an easy one to grasp. Let me tell you a little bit about the structure. The notes are: SA GA PA DHA NI SA. SA NI DHA PA GA PA
GA--RE SA. The RE has to be present and still has to be sung in a way in which it does not become prominent. If you want to listen to another good Shankara, then buy Vilayat Khan Sahib`s Shankara. He has played an old Gayaki Bandish, which is a favourite of all young and old sitarists.
Well, I think you might be able to get them online from a store which sells Indian/Pakistani classical music. But if not then your best bet would be to get it when you go to India.

Hamid

Shukriya Ballu Khan Sahib!
For your insight about different taalas. I happen to know all of the ones that you have stated. Being a sitar-nawaz myslef and a student of Ustad Rais Khan and Ustad Asad Ali Khan Beenkar, I happen to know some little music myslef. I also understand the fact that Jhaptaal is not as difficult as Dhammar, Sool, Jhoomra and the rest. But still it is not easy to sing or play in Jhap.

``#16 by ironman Dost-mittar and yogiraj, ``

As long as you like it, enjoy.

There is something called as Sangeet Sarita (#32 as sadna said). That is aired on Vividh Bharati. Not the one you asked for sir.

You do not need any education on this one. All that is required is you like it. Even once in a while, will do.

Sadna,

It is no substitute for what Ironman was asking for. There was a program that I did hear. That explained what the classical music is all about. It did talk about Aarohas and Aavarohas. Not very much appealing who did not know. Time to start with was too less. Honestly it was quite ... you know what.

Please do visit any big city in Maharashtra(), madam, and you will find that Hindustani classical music is alive and doing well. Particularly during Diwali time onwards. Lots of Sammelannas (gatherings). Cost has become a little high to get front seat. But only an idiot wants a front seat in case of music concert anyway :)

Let me even go further, one of the saddest part. How muslims, yes I mean it,. Muslims, have openly decided to ignore it.

Almost all the talented ones mentioned in interacts are Maharashtrians (Mumbaikar.. you will go to hell to make as you made me type the whole word.. again) have one common root. A guru who was MUSLIM.


e.g.

There was a singer in Maharashtra (Gosh Mumbaikar may you rot in hell). His name was Vasantrao Deshpande. A very Panjabi dhang (style) he learned.

His guru was a charsee and yes Muslim Fakir. He could only give raga`s insight when he was given er..... you know what.

Vasantrao almost single handedly brought back glory to musicals on Marathi stage. Same way Bal Gandharva and Deenanath ( Latajee/Ashajee`s father) did . His ``Katyar`` was one that did the magic.

He is not well known and will never be known as exponent as Panjabi style (very aggresive).

But we do not lament. We listen, we enjoy and then HAH

Boy O Boy even if you have read this much of rambling.....

Yogiraj

#28 by FarzanaVersey on November 28, 2003 12:46pm PT

Training?
Oh. that was a tutorial lesson I have prepared for the un-initiated- but the best you can get from any where else. This comes free along with the order of Rudra Veena. In case you are in Mumbai you can contact Ustad FAriddudin Dagar at IIT, Mumbai.

Ref ironman #29

[harimau,

Kiranavali`s articles appear to be real gems...made for us dummies :) ]

I re-read similar articles/books on music theory to refresh my knowledge.

One must admit that Carnatic Music has it reduced to a mathematical formula. Bhatkande looked at a similar scheme for classifying Hindustani raags and finally settled on a scheme that is not so intellectually satisfying. The Hindustani raags are now declared to be descended from 10 that`s.

While Carnatic Music (CM) and Hindustani Music (HM) started on slightly different journeys some 1000 years back, with HM accepting a whole lot of Persian influence, there has been an importation of Hindustani raags into CM for the last two centuries. More recently, MS Gopalakrishnan (who is himself into his 70s) plays Carnatic raags on the violin with a slight Hindustani tinge and he is supposed to have inherited that style of playing from his father Parur Sundaram Iyer.

Some Carnatic musicians have learnt Hindustani music... a couple of them even perform concerts in both styles as opposed to those of South Indian heritage who have learnt only Hindustani Music. On the other hand, I don`t know of any Hindustani musician who can actually perform in the Carnatic style.

Most film musicians say (in TV interviews) that their earlier lessons in Classical Music has been the foundation of their success as film musicians. And I must say that the film world is less forgiving than the classical music world. An 8-hour day isn`t unusual for a single film song lasting 3 minutes.

I didnot post #30. My post was one line to ironman -the name of the program was sangeet sarita.

``Yesterday’s Failures are Today’s Successes``.....?

mayray mittre -- dost-mitter ji -- may be or may be NOT -- did it occur to your that may be also --

Yesterday`s Successes are Today`s Failures?.. :-)

the name of the game of yester years -- ``during the 50s, ‘60s and ‘70s`` -- could have been -- Sacrifice For Self-Sufficiency -- may be a temporary inconvenience -- may be an unknowing or all-knowing ForePlay For Future IT FkFest .``.......:-)

on the cultural level -- as the language of my post would indicate -- the Indians of 2003 are less civilized -- more uncouth ... more hateful... more cruel ... more selfish...more capricious....more vulgar -- more barbarian -- and more SUCCESSFUL -- than the Indians of ``the 50s, ‘60s and may be of ‘70s.``.. :-)

madani sahib -- you have brought the ceasefire on chowk as well...what a delightful description of rag Dhansri -- a favorite of Baba Guru Nanak ji -- from the land of Slamat Ali Nezakat Ali ....and Nusrut Fateh Ali ...must Qalandar Ali Ali..

thanks enjoyed it immensely...

harimau,

Thanks a bunch for those links (#18).

Kiranavali`s articles appear to be real gems...made for us dummies :)

[#24 by ballukhan on November 28, 2003 10:28am PT
Bye the bye, I am one of the only musicians who can make a Rudra Veena- I have pelnty of these made by my own hands- anyone interested can place an order- I would also provide free lessons on the art of playing Rudra Veena. ]

Where are you? Does the person have to possess some training before you can give lessons? Would appreciate a response.

Thanks,
F

``#17 by hamid_81
DHIN NA DHIN DHIN NA , TIN NA DHIN DHIN NA. ``

I honestly accept my mistake. You are right, I am wrong. I have never wrote music. I heard, listened, played, and always.. always enjoyed...

``I would recommend the late Roshanara Begum to the writer. There has been no one like her and will never be. She has been and will be the best. ``

Could you please let me know where I can get Shankara (or was it Hamsadhwani??) by Roshanarajee. I was too young when I heard that one. It was an old programme they re-ran that I caught on my short wave radio. All I still remember is one word ``Jhoole`` (or was it zoole??). Or perhaps ``Dekh Jhoole lal sharan``.

This rendition was in Ektal.

My whole hearted acceptance of my in-competance, in this one too.

Dost, Ahmed

``KAR`` stands for a person belonging to a place in (yes Mumbaikar..) Maharashtra.

There was no concept of last/family name before Raj.

When it started many took one of the two major (of many) paths.

1) Profession.

Thus last / family name being .. Lohar, Sonar, Patil, Joshi, Vaani, ...

2) Town or village where you come from (Kar Stands for the town where you come from)

Thus a Pune``kar`` is one from Pune. Nilange``kar`` is one from Nilanga.

The trick Dost is ...If the pronouciation is like ``car`` (Which you drive).. then it is non-Maharashtrian last name.

Mumbai``kar`` can explain it better perhaps.

``#16 by ironman``

Will respond.

Yogiraj

Bye the bye, I am one of the only musicians who can make a Rudra Veena- I have pelnty of these made by my own hands- anyone interested can place an order- I would also provide free lessons on the art of playing Rudra Veena.

#23 by dost-mittar on November 28, 2003 6:42am PT
Not addicted to this intoxicant? Ofcourse I am, there is not a single moment in my life that some Raga or other is not engulfing me at my sub-concious level. And that is how the Dhikr goes on on on.....!!!!

But suddenly some murshid comes and calls it as haram

---

now, do I listen to him or my own voice???

#23 by dost-mittar on November 28, 2003 6:42am PT
I am hardly a young man - 39 years of all this existence.

ballukhan``
You have some explaining to do, young man! How can you be so knowledgeable, so exposed to this wonderful intoxicants and not addicted to it? Dont tel me that Islam was the antidote:-).
...but I agree wrt songs, if you want to enjoy lyrics as well as music, stick to ghazals, etc. or to thumri, dadra, bhajans, taranas on the classical side.

ironman:
I think I remember listening to that program on a visit to India. It would start with a film song based on a particular raaga and follow it up with its exposition on an instrument.